Syrian rue extraxt: Good enough?

[AlphaOdure]

So I take a predetermined dosage of Syrian rue (in this case 3/4 tablespoon spoon) Place in coffe mug with some vinegar to make it acidic.. Added Around 5mL w/5mL water

Have on low heat for about 30min & stir a few times.

Filter seeds w/coffee filter into New cup. Add seeds and another 5mL of water & 5mL vineager added into New cup- repeat on low heat (bringing heat up to just below boil)

I do this 4x total w/final solution yellow and seeds discarded.

Is this adequate for a harmala Extraction? And bc of evaporation.. I basically add 5mL of vinegar during each stage w/same amount of water.

Getting yellowish brew, but should I be adding 5mL vinegar during each cycle- is this too much?

Am I doing this right? I know theres tons of extract techniques on here but I'm too chemistry disinclined I wasnt confident enough to try them ugh.

Soo is my method working or am I doing something wrong here? Again, can I add too much vinegar?

ANY comments or suggestions welcome.. Please!

 

[AlphaOdure]

hmmm..should mods move this to more appropriate forum? Perhaps the psychedelics forums? Since i do plan on using this harmala extract/"tea" to potentiate tryptamine trips... particularly some IP-LSD i have on the way! And also curious why these MAO inhibitors can't be used w/ the more psychedelic phenethylamines??? (can understand why w/ the more stimulative phens due to a potental hypertensive crisis)- but was maybe thinking of bk-2c-b w/ small dose of harmala.. ASSUMING this extract is viable.

so should you ya move it to the psychedelic forums mods? or should i just report over there?

 

[belligerent drunk]

I'm not sure, are you going to drink it? In that case, vinegar is nasty. I once made the same mistake - acidified my plant matter with vinegar, but I couldn't drink the extract. Something like lemon juice (concentrate if possible) works pretty well in my experience.

As for the extraction process, firstly I would crush the seeds, it enhances extraction greatly. Then typically one extraction extracts only about 80% of the alkaloids, so the golden rule is 3 extractions per load of plant matter. I didn't really understand what exactly you did in your extraction, but I'll just write what I would do, maybe you'll find it useful.

First, I'd crush all the seeds as much as possible with pestle and mortar. Leave the pulp in there and add about 20ml or more of acidified water (lemon juice, or if you're inclined on using vinegar, go ahead), stir it and leave it for some time. Decant the solution, add another 20ml, repeat the process. Complete 3 extractions, combine the solutions. As for acidifying, you don't need much of the acid (acetic acid or citric acid), because after a certain threshold adding more won't matter much, so you don't need to go hard on the vinegar. Also I don't think too much vinegar will do any bad if you happen to add more than intended. I haven't done this with harmala, but it has worked with other seeds, HBWR for example.

I'd be cautious with MAOIs, especially with stimulants. Psychedelic phenethylamines are no exception. I personally wouldn't use a MAOI unless absolutely necessary.