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BuckE

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I'm posting these suggestions/comments with the belief that moderators appreciate feedback and suggestions from fellow bluelightians. If I've failed to articulate my opinions effectively, I aplogise but ahhhh, you're all on drugs, what do you care?
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Feedback of course would be appreciated. Oh, and the disclaimer: I'm speaking on behalf of myself, not representative of everybody else, blah blah blah
First of all, I think it could be an idea to have an archive of the names of threads which have been deleted, for records sake…I feel this leads to a more open environment…I say this because the other day I was enjoying a thread called “come on guys” which mysteriously disappeared after I posted my thoughts on the matter. There was conflict evident in the thread but I found it was SO much more relevant than most of the stuff in the social board and I was disappointed when I could no longer find it…There is always going to be conflict. Deleting it is not going to delete it, if you know what I mean…I guess the trick is to find a middle ground where the conflict is not abusive enough to warrant deletion.
I think it could be a good idea for moderators to arrive at a general consensus (general) about the roles of moderators and how they should behave. There seems to be a lot of varying interpretations about what you guys should do, how you should post, how you should address problems, etc. With so much decency floating around the group, perhaps it could be a good idea to conference face to face or through ICQ or something to agree on how you should behave as a group. There seems to be a prominent attitude of ‘do as I say and not and what I do.’ I still believe the best way to encourage certain responses is to lead by example.
Maybe set size restrictions on those little animate giffs that have been floating around everywhere lately. At the risk of sounding like a grouch, I have never seen the point or validity of them and I feel that sometimes they detract from the purpose of the thread they are posted in. Whilst I am not suggesting that they should be banned, I do suggest that perhaps a size restriction would aid in not reducing Bluelight integrity to that of a preschool picture book. One example of this and the above point about moderator consensus is the ‘it’s all over now? Hehe’ thread http://www.bluelight.ru/ubb/Forum29/HTML/000211.html?reload=6. This thread is really stupid…all it consists of is animated images with jibberish for running commentary and, very surprisingly for me, the only posts on the thread were those made by _moderators_. WTF? It lasted a little while before another _moderator_ closed the thread. What’s the deal fellas? Which brings me to the next point…
What’s the deal with the social forum? Is its sole purpose to house all the junk that is deemed off topic by the other two forums? I remember a little while ago the server was experiencing bandwidth problems and Jase explained that only applicable discussion should be posted…I do enjoy reading the social section but I’m a little skeptical about some of the topics (late night TV? Chewing gum?) when we are politely reminded through and through in the guidelines that ‘this is not a chat site.’ Other posts such as the "come on guys" post are deleted simply because there was *GASP* conflict evident. Maybe I’m the only one, but I feel that the general quality of information has reduced. My interpretation of Bluelight over the time I have been a member was that the primary objective was to encourage the safe use of drugs and provide a valuable information source that is constantly being updated and added to by a various range of users. If we do that, we're doing a very good thing.
OK, one more slightly less important question…do moderators have the ability to delete single posts from threads? If not it could be a great idea to look into as some threads credibility are threatened by sssiillllyyy posts.
Well, there ends my rantings.
Sticks and stones will break my bones but names.....names will....fuck, how does the rest of it go?
Cheers! --- BuckE
"Why should the race always be to the swift or the jumble to the quick-witted? Should they be allowed to win merely because of the gifts God gave them? Well, I say, cheating is the gift man gives himself." -- Montgomery Burns
[This message has been edited by BuckE (edited 04 November 2000).]
 
completely agree. BTW, it wasnt me who deleted that thread. I'm not sure who did. Bucke, you were the only one who caught on to my post as well, so or that, cheers
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Censorship within the mods seems to be a HUGE problem at the moment, and everybodies ideas of how we should mod, and how the forums should be run is quite varied. We need more unity amoung the mods and a set of guidelines to help us come to decisions when dealing with off topic/conflict. I think if people are willing to flame and make a fool out of themselves (like I did) then they should be prepared to pay the price.
I dont think any posts should be deleted at all, and I have never deleted a post/thread, merely closed them left with a message. Some people dont agree and as the case was seen this morning, a mod took evasive action for something that was destined to get out of control. I didnt agree, but I understood.
Gifs/picture files etc...generally people are usung them to enhance their posts so I dont see a big problem. Chaos was simply flexing his muscles, so treat it as a joke
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As for the social forum...I believe its having a few teething problems but I have no idea how to fix it, or to change anything. Hmmm...I really dont know.
Thanks for your input Bucke, much apreciated. We can only learn from criticism.
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BuckE - you make alot of valid points and I guess the important one's for me are that moderators work as a team and assist in the decision making. For threads that are ambigious in nature, moderators should have pow wow to discuss relevant courses of action - I guess thats what the moderators forum is for. There are obvious threads, such as the ones that are simply in the wrong forum, that I'm sure a moderator can decide where to move it - but again if in doubt consult.
 
Just my thoughts on the whole social forum issue. I think the forums do keep crap out of other more serious forums which is good if u are looking for serious info or a way of relaxing u have a choice. I dont often go into the social forums myself but I took a look and I agree there are some really silly posts. However in the spirit of e I think being able to release let go and have a laugh about something completely ridiculous keeps it fun. ok this isnt a chat site but the fact is people here are connected through a common background of interest and people make friends meet up and occassionally talk shit. Give these people there space and let them enjoy it. Hopefully when it comes to bandwidth probs they will slow down a bit. after all they are not out to ruin bluelight for themselves or anyone else just have a laugh. :-)
 
I've started putting a comment to let me know of any objections if I close a thread, and I've only closed one thread without first saying something to one of the other mods ('cept for the housekeeping type of closing of threads, but thats pretty straightforward anyway)
I don't know about an archive of deleted threads, that's an implemetation issue which would have to taken care of by someone with access to the source code, which would prolly be jase or skydancer? not sure...
The social forum is a bit of a problem... We can't have it running wild, and that is what the guidelines are for, but somethings fall into a grey area and it's very hard to be sure whether it should be allowed or not... I really wouldn't mind letting it go as it is now, but that's only because i'm well settled here and know most of the people, but it could be a little unsettling for newbies, which is prolly one of the reasons quite a few people lurk for a while...
What do we do about it tho? Any ideas would be good because I really don't wanna see the social forum go down the drain.
And yes, this is good... more input like this from Bucke, but also ideas and action... we can't do anything if we don't know what you want us to do! (oh and that's to everyone else, not you Bucke, we know what you want us to do now
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We can delete single posts, but how do we judge whether a post is silly (funny) or silly (waste of space) ... sometimes it's hard to tell the difference, specially with smartarses like me out here...
 
you are right the social forum is full of irrelevant crap with a dash of interest
It is good though, particularly for people like me, who just lurk in other forums, very little constructive stuff to add to most things but I like to get involved without messing up useful threads hence the usefulness of the social forum!!
to keep punks like me from messing up good stuff and also to get punks like me involved!!
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also I think posts are deleted for a reason (maybe your case was a mistake but..)so you should not be able to look them up again.
oh.., and there is a deleted post archive in the search function right at the bottom.
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[This message has been edited by fataliss (edited 04 November 2000).]
 
I think that closing or deleting threads is sometimes needed, but the mods need to have guidelines to specify where the line is, and how far someone has to cross it to get a thread closed or deleted. It is clearly stated that "This site is not to be used in any way, shape, or form to solicit or obtain contraband substances or information on how to do so, and any attempt to do so will result in cancellation of registration". This is an example of a guideline... If someone breaks it, they are banned. Simple.
I think we need more guidelines - something like this:
Person A says "I like frogs"
Person B says "Only fuckwits like frogs, you fuckwit"
Moderator says "Too far - thread closed", provided that there is no other relevent information in the thread. If there is, the offending post can be removed or edited by a mod with a note saying "Final warning - flaming is not tolerated and any further blatent flaming will result in you being banned from the board".
Another example could be this:
Person A creates a thread called "Person B is a dumb cunt". In this thread he goes into detail as to why Person B qualifies for this prestigious title.
Moderator can delete the post entirely without warning because the thread is serving no purpose at all other than to flame Person B. Person A will also be warned or banned as the case may be.
Anyone who thinks this is a good/bad idea, or thinks the rules should be slightly different (I came up with them just then, and haven't really put that much thought into them) - please reply.
Thankyou for listening.
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Oh, and by the way, a post should NEVER be deleted because it is deemed 'silly'. That is censorship. Save drastic action like deleting posts for circumstances where flaming is involved. To compromise, I think that if a mod believes that a post is overly silly (to the point where action is required), then they should post in the same thread asking the offender to clarify what they just said. More often than not, it will be something taken out of context that was not articulated properly with letters and smilies. That way we will soon get to know each others style of posting better, and will be better judges of the difference between sarcasm and flaming.
*chucks 2 more cents on the pile*
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Before you criticize a man, walk a mile in his shoes. That way, when you do criticize him, you'll be a mile away and have his shoes.
 
but i really like frogs, you fuckwit!
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pleontastic - deleting posts that are silly is also consorship...
personally i agree with mr. horse, in that i don't think anything should be deleted, but i'll concede that this probably isn't a very popular view. i automatically get skeptical whenever i discover that something has been deleted, because i feel that somebody is trying to tell me what it is I should or shouldn't read...Sure, if the post is jeapardizing the board or breaking the law (such as the spreading of info on deals/dealers, which very seldom happens anyhow) then deletion would be required in order to maintain the board's survival. But I don't see the point (other than possibly matters regarding bandwidth) of deleting other posts, including stupid ones, flaming posts, etc. If they exist on the server, people are able to access them and have examples of what NOT to post...Or, what to post if you want your thread closed, which is essentially the same thing.
cheers! --BuckE
The Buck Stops Here
[This message has been edited by BuckE (edited 04 November 2000).]
 
also, i've noticed that those animated giffs don't reside on the bluelight server. what happens if the site that hosts them goes down and doen't go back online? wouldn't that mean trillions of broken links all throughout bluelight?
man, i'm starting to feel like Ned fucking Flanders
-BuckE
 
rashen -- i think you've miss understood my intention for posting this thread. my intention was NOT to suggest that moderators need moderating. oh god no. don't even get me started on why this is a bad idea -- adding another level of policing would make things much much worse. our moderators do a good job. the reason why your so called freedom of speech has been "restricted" was that some of your posts did not fit the criteria of what was acceptable. if you read my comments on the social forum you might be able to get it into your head that i am NOT for an anything goes approach (in fact, the exact opposite) and i believe that most bluelighters don't want this either. go to the raves.com message board if you want an unmoderated any thing goes approach. come to bluelight if you want an informative site that, here are those words again, is "not a chat site." you know the rules bud...when are you going to start playing by them? tempation...to...flame....user....but...must..resist....
-BuckE
Ned Flanders Stops Here
 
I believe that no thread should be deleted. Just locked with a reason why. If it reeeally necessary to be deleted it should be archived and used as an example of what not to do.. whoever said that, I agree too.
 
Pleonastic, yay
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My little bugbear exactly. Especially on pillreports.com! For some reason I seem unable to post comments there, but I am extremely offended by the number of dumbcuntfuckwit messages there. In particular the number of homophobic and racist comments in the Oz section. As a dumb fucken poofta myself whose boyfriend is a poofta and whose best friend is a ****** whose mother was a niggalover too (not my choice of terms, I merely quote...) I would really appreciate it if the mods there (and here for that matter) could do something about it - like deleting these comments. Are you (or someone else here) able to pass on the message? I mean here we are in Oz having just carried off a luvved up Olympics and on a site all about the luvdrug we have "people" making these really offensive statements
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D&AWg feels better now thankee kindly
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Oh very interesting... what I wrote above was "best friend is a (first part of the following word) niggalova" and the site censored it. But it didn't object to all the other abusive terms I quoted! hmmm...
 
uhm your ment to be talking about drugs in this forum!
well seeing as though your talking about a drug forum,i wont move it to social!where good discussion like this should be!
so punks like me can mess it up!
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lol
you are right the social forum is full of irrelevant crap with a dash of interest
It is good though,particularly for people like me, who just lurk in other forums, very
little constructive stuff to add to most things but I like to get involved without messing up useful threads hence the usefulness of the social forum!!
to keep punks like me from messing up good stuff and also to get punks like me involved!!
also I think posts are deleted for a reason (maybe your case was a mistake but..)so you should not be able to look them up again.
oh.., and there is a deleted post archive in the search function right at the bottom.
well said!fataliss
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and if you all want my views on deleting,moving,editing post.
Use the search!
cant be bothered explaining again!!!
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Gifs/picture files etc...generally people are usung them to enhance their posts so I dont see a big problem. Chaos was simply flexing his muscles, so treat it as a joke
LMAO the chair
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sorry!
 
Chaos: u like playin with fire.....
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I agree with Pleonastic, you pretty much nailed it buddy.
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