Bupe subutex 54411 backload filtering

[RedHandedDenial]

Hello people i am a recovering heroin addict finally able to find my niche as a functioning person with buprenorphine dependency... i know it is just substituting one habit for another but i feel the bupe habit is better in that i dont blow all my money and i can function and not get all "out there" while high... or try and beat the crap out of someone while high. So i have been IVing these little white pills (round 54 411) for about 2 months now (about 1/4 of a pill at a time) that i get from a friend for $X a piece (i tried to get my own script once, but i REALLY didnt like all the requirements and stipulations on it, like seeing a therapist weekly and TWO NA group sessions a week... i mean wtf really?), and am very much wanting to find better filtering methods without spending $4 on a fuckin wheel filter.... when ur bangin 3 times a day for a $400 a month habit u dont really have $12 a day to spare... so, without further ado, the method ive been using is backloading. I know its an old method but i still couldnt find much about it on any drug forum by googling it... especially for these pills in particular. Basically i stuff a cotton wrapped in a coffee filter down a syringe, then i suck up my drug mixture out of the spoon, shoot it down the syringe with the cotton + coffee filter combo, and out comes a crystal clear solution (very much changed from the white, opaque bullcrap it was before). Even when i put it up to the light i do not see any particles floating around and after about 5 or 6 times of doing this i notice a little layer in the syringe above the cotton of white powder (cornstarch i guess?), and i feel soooo wonderful to be keeping that gunk out of my veins. Anyhow, my questions are has anyone else tried this method? What were ur experiences with it? Do u think there is a lot of stuff left in the crystal clear solution that i am missing? Also anyone who has been on bupe for a while particularly IV please give me any feedback about it... thanks in advance!

 

[snak]

If you can afford to buy all of those subs, you can afford to get a box of wheel filters. Or if you live in/near a big city, hit up the local NX. As they sometimes carry them.

Shooting pills in general is pretty bad for you, so you need to minimize the amount of damage you're doing as much as you can, man. Just because the solution is clear, doesn't mean there still isn't a bunch of shit in there, that you don't want.

& if you're spending $400+ a month on just subs, you might as well just go and get your own Rx, it'll save you a lot of money. My monthly costs total $85. That's doctors appointment and script, with insurance.

You could also get by on smaller doses, especially since you're IVing it. Try doing .5-1MG and see how you feel. Could save you some money & make the shit last a little longer.

 

[Tommyboy]

You should really do less per shot. 0.5mg is the most I would ever do at once, and if you spread it out enough you can get down to doing that amount 3x a day max, but preferably twice to get your usage down. It's really not that hard after the first few times you wait a good 12 hours between 0.5mg shots.

 

[RedHandedDenial]

I guess i could technically afford it, what i meant is i cant justify spending $4 everytime i bang which is usually 3x daily......

 

[RedHandedDenial]

Like i said i dont want to go through the bullshit of getting a script... i dont like doctors. And $85??? U must have insurance, because the chick i get them from pays like $400 for her script, and thats not a lie i called the pharmacy and checked the price cuz i thought she was overcharging me. Not everyone has the luxury of having health insurance..

 

[szuko000]

That's why I quit, no insurance was costing 200+ a week.

 

[The Doc.]

Why don't you make a large solution to measurr and then you draw your shots from if your getting overcharged for micron filters. This way you can make a weeks worth of filtered IV bupe with one filter. You would have to use bacteriostatic water though to prevent bacteria growing in your solution which is what happens when you leave a water based solution out for a long time. We have a thread with step by step instructions if you are interested in doing this.

 

[The Doc.]

You should really do less per shot. 0.5mg is the most I would ever do at once, and if you spread it out enough you can get down to doing that amount 3x a day max, but preferably twice to get your usage down. It's really not that hard after the first few times you wait a good 12 hours between 0.5mg shots.

Isn't he using a quarter of a 2mg pill already?

 

[RedHandedDenial]

Interesting. I will look into it.

 

[RedHandedDenial]

I just didnt know if anyone else has used coffee filters, the supposedly are as small as 15 microns, so ive read..

 

[The Doc.]

Not sure where you got that info from but I would say more around 50 microns not 15 for a coffee filter. It let's in a hell of a lot of particles in your solution that a micron filter could have gotten out. Here is a thread showing the difference between micron filtered solutions, unfiltered solutions and solutions filtered with cotton. It so show what happens when you heat up solutions with dissolved pills in it.

http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/647606-How-quot-clean-quot-are-micron-filtered-pills-for-IV-use


And here is the link below for the step by step instructions on micron filtering and making a week long solution.
http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/481622-Micron-Filtering-Mega-Thread-and-FAQ

 

[RedHandedDenial]

I visited the link, i have a question, people often say micron filters filter down to 20 microns.. then ive read 0.2um... which is it? 20 or 0.2??? Because if its 20 and cotton filters to 50, theres not much difference... not to mention that u have to take into consideration that compressed and compressed cotton under force (like it is in my syringes) is going to have smaller pores. I have been able to find no studies on how many insolubles get through compressed cotton. That being said, rest assured i never heat my pills. U are not supposed to heat bupe anyways. The only things ive ever heated are heroin and dilaudid, and that is bc when i first started the friend i was with told me to. Then i was with another friend that told me not to heat H, so i havent ever since. And i looked up solubility of hydromorphone and saw it is pretty soluble and have not heated it since either

 

[The Doc.]

When you see UM That is the unit for micrometres The micrometre, also commonly known as a micron, is an SI derived unit of length equaling 1×10−6 of a metre; that is, one millionth of a metre.

Even compressed cotton wont be nearly as good at filtering small particles as micron filters can be and your probably right in saying cotton only removes particles as small as 50 microns. I don't see compressed cotton being a whole lot greater in my opinion it's about the same. Many particles in pills are much smaller than 50 microns along with many types of bacteria.

These are Some common water contamination problems and their size in microns:
Giardia lamblia – 8 to 12 microns
Cryptosporidium parvum – 4 to 6 microns
Bacteria like E. coli and salmonella – 0.2 to 4 microns
Viruses are usually 0.004 to 0.1 microns.

So basically a 0.2 UM micron filter will remove bacteria like e.coli and salmonella and probably many other bacteria types along with particles 0.2 microns and bigger.
Most Viruses on the other hand are usually too small to filter with micron filters at least with today's smallest size filter so no luck filtering most viruses out.

Your right Pills should never be heated before being injected it has been an ongoing debate by drug addicts for years whether or not heating the solution before injecting actually releases any more drug making the shot stronger but now there is science behind it showing that not only is heating the solution completely un necessary in the sense that no more drug gets released but its actually more dangerous because the larger particles break down with heat then are able to make it through the needle tip with or without a micron filter (particles pass will pass through a micron filter when heated cause heat will cause them to break down in water) then once in the blood stream and cooled down the particles return to solid form and distribute themselves in places you don't want them such as your liver spleen and lungs. This builds up over time causing a whole lot of painful conditions you don't want which is why you should ALWAYS micron filter pills and NEVER heat your solution before injection. The Most popular pills injected by drug users(oxycodone, hydromorphone Etc) are water soluble anyways and don't need heat they dissolve in water when crushed up properly in seconds(MOST pills) keep in mind these days we have a lot of abuse proof pills so always do your research see if they are water soluble or abuse proof you don't want gel going in your veins.


In the medical field requirements for quality control in injectable solutions has been around since 1936 Aqueous ampule solutions are to be clear and when observed over a bright light, they shall be free from precipitate, cloudiness, specks or flecks, fibers or cotton hairs, or any un-dissolved material.(This is not very practical for IV drug users I realise but this is what we should strive for as best we can and why micron filters are so important)

Particles in pills vary in size For non-spherical particles, size is not defined by a single number

Pharmaceutically relevant particles come in a wide variety of shapes and sizes

For hard particles (> 5 μm), the embolic risk is relatively low

For similarly sized, but deformable soft particles the embolic risk is much greater

The liver comprises 90 to 95% of RES function and is a “target organ” for injury from intravascular particles

The Threshold for human vision is generally accepted to be about 50 μm

The probability of detection for a single 50 μm particle in clear solution in a 10 mL vial is only slightly greater than 0%

The probability increases to approximately 40% for a 100 μm particle and becomes greater than 95% for particles 200 μm and larger

Smallest particles (approximately 1-2 μm in diameter) are often trapped in the liver, lungs and spleen

IV infusion of particles larger than the internal diameter of capillaries is increasing the risk of an embolic syndrome (something you don't want). Capillaries average 8 microns in diameter.
Any other questions let me know. Obviously if you cannot use micron filters your way of filtering would be probably the next best way to reduce harm I'm just trying to show why micron filters are so much better for your health. If you buy in bulk online you can get deals on them I'm not sure where you live but I know how expensive they can be which really deters people from using them especially if your a "junkie" with hardly enough money to get your fix in the first place let alone micron filters.

 

[RedHandedDenial]

So it means 0.2... i know all about the metric system i am a biochemistry major, but thank u. Im not sure why people were throwing 20s out there, i guess they were confused themselves. Idk. Anyhow, i order points online so i do have access to microns but really idk about filtering a large solution at once and using it for multiple injections bc honestly about 20% of my addiction is needle fixation and the ritual of it. I love it. I love the bupe too though and it is most of the reason why i do it, if they figured out a way to increase BA of subutex i would take it orally. Ive read all about the alcohol thing and tried it and dont seem to notice much difference... ive also read about plugging and will try that one day but havent gotten the chance yet

 

[funknation 77]

If you can afford to buy all of those subs, you can afford to get a box of wheel filters. Or if you live in/near a big city, hit up the local NX. As they sometimes carry them.

Shooting pills in general is pretty bad for you, so you need to minimize the amount of damage you're doing as much as you can, man. Just because the solution is clear, doesn't mean there still isn't a bunch of shit in there, that you don't want.

& if you're spending $400+ a month on just subs, you might as well just go and get your own Rx, it'll save you a lot of money. My monthly costs total $85. That's doctors appointment and script, with insurance.

You could also get by on smaller doses, especially since you're IVing it. Try doing .5-1MG and see how you feel. Could save you some money & make the shit last a little longer.

Excellent advice....surely RedHanded if you've managed to stop shooting that manky brown shite I think you'd manage Sublingual Sub on a Script?
I/V'ing Sub is...like you say...just substituting one for the other(albeit I/V'ing Sub is better than H!!)
I know there's SOME fillers in tabs of Sub but compared to what was going into your body its miles ahead....surely?

 

[The Doc.]

So it means 0.2... i know all about the metric system i am a biochemistry major, but thank u. Im not sure why people were throwing 20s out there, i guess they were confused themselves. Idk. Anyhow, i order points online so i do have access to microns but really idk about filtering a large solution at once and using it for multiple injections bc honestly about 20% of my addiction is needle fixation and the ritual of it. I love it. I love the bupe too though and it is most of the reason why i do it, if they figured out a way to increase BA of subutex i would take it orally. Ive read all about the alcohol thing and tried it and dont seem to notice much difference... ive also read about plugging and will try that one day but havent gotten the chance yet

okay you didnt sound like you knew what UM meant when you asked if 0.2 UM was 20 microns so i gave you that info but if your a biochemist then by all means do as you please.

 

[bobjayne]

To the OP - edit put the prices in your post. Its against forum guidelines

 

[The Doc.]

To the OP - edit put the prices in your post. Its against forum guidelines

Thanks for caring but there has already been a senior mod posting on this thread who never edited the post or seemed to care so im guessing they are letting this one slide.

oh i see your new so Welcome to BL

 

[bobjayne]

Yesh I know tommyboy posted but perhaps scanned over it? Im sure a forum mod will take csre of it if the OP doesnt first.

Thanks for the welcome

 

[Tommyboy]

Isn't he using a quarter of a 2mg pill already?

I looked up the imprint [54 411] and that's an 8mg pill so he's doing 2mg shots if he's using 1/4 pill per shot.