Misc Subs, #4, lyrica, k-pin rotation?

[ohsoblue]

Hello all, I have been a reader of this site for years but finally had some questions and created an account. Last year my small intestine ruptured and I almost died. Landed me in the hospital for a while and had a couple of surgeries. I have recovered nicely and am in the best shape of my life now. The only nagging issue I still have is some bad nerve pain that was caused somehow by the event. I was on a combo of hydro and lyrica for months and now even though I never abused my hydro script in any way my doc of course dropped it despite my pain not improving yet. So now I am just scripted lyrica and it only works good if I use it a couple of days a week. So in my desperation I have chose to self medicate as I don't enjoy my quality of life in pain nearly every day. I can get hydro or oxy easily but the cost is out of the question when combined with what I already pay for the lyrica. So what I have decided to do is a rotation of #4, subs, lyrica, and k-pins. Each once or twice a week with a couple of days I take nothing and just deal with it. The days I dose with something will just be once in the evening as that is when the pain gets worse. My question is how should I order my rotation? I mostly am concerned about possible conflicts with the subs and #4. Also if I stick to my rotation can I expect my tolerence to each to stay in check? I have thought about this alot and am comfortable with my choice of substances, and I can afford this combo which is most important. Thank you for any input my wise peers!

 

[orgone]

Your tolerance is always going to increase. Especially if you are using substances that build tolerance and develop physical dependency "once of twice a week" (no offense, but it's pretty much the same thing as using every day If you are rotating suboxone and heroin, especially considering the half life of bupe) If you can obtain oxy easily why not just explain to your doctor the cost issue and get written for something cheap like roxicodone 30mg? I know from Rite Aid the price of 120 roxicodone 30s is only about ~70-80 dollars with no medical insurance. That has to be cheaper than buying kpins, heroin, and subs off the street- even if you factor in the monthly cost of a PM visit.

As far as the bupe goes, if you are taking a 8mg strip I'd wait 24-48 hours minimum before dosing your heroin to get the full effects.

 

[ohsoblue]

Thanks for your input orgone. By getting hydro and oxy easily I didn't mean through my doc. He wanted to do away with opiates as I had been on them for months. I didn't put up any resistance as I don't want him to be wary to prescribe opiates in ths future if needed. And to get hydro or oxy any other way for me is just too expensive compared to h and sub. The lyrica is already a freaking car payment and I hope with these other options to stretch out a monthly script of it multiple months. I will only be doing .5 mg of sub at most and maybe 15-20mg of the h. I am not going for recreation just relief and want to use as little as much needed for that. My opiate tolerance cant be much . I know this isnt an optimal situation but I want to make the most of my options.

 

[bingey]

If i had to combat pain on my own budget I'd go for methadone.
Ps aren't opiates risky constipation-wise couldn't thar put pressure on the intestines or something?

 

[ohsoblue]

If i had to combat pain on my own budget I'd go for methadone.
Ps aren't opiates risky constipation-wise couldn't thar put pressure on the intestines or something?

I don't have any access to methadone so that isn't an option for me. As far as constipation I havent had any probs with the percs I had at first when getting out of the hospital nor the hydro I was on for months later. Never done sub or heroin though so I dont know how they will affect me. I hope not too bad in the low doses I will be taking. If they cause me probs that will be the end of those options then I might just be out of luck.

 

[Tommyboy]

The suboxone and heroin will complicate the process too much for them to be an effective part of the regimen IMO. First off as someone else mentioned, you need to wait a few days after dosing the suboxone for the other opiate to be effective. You would also have to wait 24 hours before dosing the suboxone to avoid precipitated withdrawals. As for the heroin, the varying potency would complicate things since you will never know the true dose that you are getting.

 

[ohsoblue]

The suboxone and heroin will complicate the process too much for them to be an effective part of the regimen IMO. First off as someone else mentioned, you need to wait a few days after dosing the suboxone for the other opiate to be effective. You would also have to wait 24 hours before dosing the suboxone to avoid precipitated withdrawals. As for the heroin, the varying potency would complicate things since you will never know the true dose that you are getting.

Will I get withdraw from heroin only using it once a week at a very small dose? How about this scenario- Monday I do heroin, tuesday nothing, wednesday lyrica, thurs sub, fri nothing, sat kpin, sun lyrica. Repeat each week. I was hoping to get a half g of #4 and one 8mg sub strip and have that last me a few months. And if my doctor is right this nerve pain should go away in another 6 months or so, so maybe I wouldnt ever have to use more than a g of #4 and 2 subs total. Would it be better to get just one of them and use it twice a week?

 

[Tommyboy]

Suboxone is used to treat pain in very small doses since it's very potent, and it acts as more of a full opioid at those low doses. I recommend using only suboxone, and at doses of 0.25mg twice a day, and doing that 2-3x a week. I don't see the heroin fitting into the equation in a good way at all.

 

[ohsoblue]

Suboxone is used to treat pain in very small doses since it's very potent, and it acts as more of a full opioid at those low doses. I recommend using only suboxone, and at doses of 0.25mg twice a day, and doing that 2-3x a week. I don't see the heroin fitting into the equation in a good way at all.

Thank you for the advice. Sub as my sole opiate is what I considered at first but the more I read about it it sounded like maybe I should do it only once a week. So thats when I started to consider a 2nd opiate and heroin was the only other one that was affordable. The subs are the cheapest route by far so I am going to try them alone twice a week in a similar rotation as mentioned above. That lets me keep my lyrica doses to two a week which helps alot with its extreme cost and then I have the kpins to not really help with pain but give me one day a week that I at least can relax easier despite the pain. So then I have only two days a week that I just deal with the pain no help, which is a big improvement over my current situation. Thanks again everyone for your input, I knew I would get great advice here!

 

[BlueHues]

If you did a 7 day cycle with sub on the first and fifth day, with heroin on the third.... it could work....maybe....for awhile....You'd really probably need a longer more elaborate timeline...like 10 days

Good luck with that though!

If you spaced the suboxone out like that...after 48 hours it wouldn't still block the heroin at all most likely, since you weren't taking it daily....

Now that I think of it, you'd definitely need a longer regimen to properly space out the H and sub, definitely! Unless you came up with a 7 day rotating schedule....7 days on one schedule, 7 days another...IDK, that shit never works honestly!

Edit:but provided you could go day 6-7 without any opioids, it could potentially work....but you might wanna flip flop the heroin with the sub every other week! That is, take heroin twice a week and sub once on the second week and then vice versa...