So I've been taking 1mg of sub early in the mornings, about 4 or 5 am for the last 3 days. I'm starting with such a low dose because I'm scared of PWDS. I have a moderate to heavy at times h habit. The last day or two the 1mg has not thrown me into PWD's, taking it 14-15 hrs after my last use. The problem is, by the afternoon, I end up using H. So my questions are... do you think I have built up enough sub in my system to be clear of PWD if I just take sub tomorrow? Also, am I not feeling any PWD because it's such a small dose, to small to put me into any PWD? Starting tomorrow or Friday I am out of $ and any option to use so I will have no choice to just take sub. If I take the 1 mg, like I usually do, and all I have is the normal anxiety I usually have a few hrs after, is it safe to dose another 1-2 Mgs at a time until I feel better? It looks like it's gonna be at least a week until I can get into my own sub dr and I get these from a friend. I do have immodium, some old clonidine, melatonin, vitamins to help also. I know I should wait 24 hrs at least to take sub but I'll end up using by then. It's tough getting to 14/15 hours.
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Suboxone Help/question
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LifeIsStrange
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Can no really help you, because I always avoided that, but from experience it is like that:
If you take a substance with a short halflife. A long time WD is a really heavy. I was on opiates (Tramal) for many years. And after I had an argument with my brother - I quit it instantly. Praided to God to help me took 3 days of Cholride and I was fine. Pregabalin effects last for 3 weeks. No real WD but, you sometimes let a cup fall - because your muscles make not the things I wanted
If you take a substance with a short halflife. A long time WD is a really heavy. I was on opiates (Tramal) for many years. And after I had an argument with my brother - I quit it instantly. Praided to God to help me took 3 days of Cholride and I was fine. Pregabalin effects last for 3 weeks. No real WD but, you sometimes let a cup fall - because your muscles make not the things I wanted
Honestly if you are able to do 1 mg of sub you should able to do more, 1 mg sends me into pwd also. How much H are you using where you can use 1 mg 15 hours later? Here is what I always do to get back on subs. I wait until roughly when I would normally start to get sick, I take a bunch of DPH sleeping pills, like 75-100 mg's I sleep for 8 hours or so and wake up in withdrawal and take my sub. Take the dph like an hour or two before you would normally be sick, that way you fall asleep and stay asleep a good bit and the minor withdrawal doesn't wake you up, you wake up when it's getting bad and been long enough to dose sub. If you are dosing only 1 mg of sub each day that most likely isn't building up enough to make you not have H on your receptors. Just tough it out, dose enough subs if you have them to take like that and keep those receptors satisfied. I wish I had a sub connection.
I was on Methadone for 4 years and when my pain mgmnt doctor stopped taking my insurance i decided to find a Suboxone doctor and be done with it. However, after researching online forums, i became terrified to take it because i understood using it to get off Methadone was a whole other animal. What i did was suffer through several days of one 10 mg Methadone a day (as opposed to 6-8) and then a day without and then took a whole 8/2 Suboxone which was a big mistake BUT i did NOT go into withdrawal- it was just too much Sub and it made me feel wierd and crazy, but NOT sick. I don't think you are taking enough to make a difference which is why you are still craving and doing H. I would advise to take HALF of an 8/2 strip 24 hours after using NOTHING. Like DuckieMan said try taking sleep aids to get thru worst of it. Then when you wake up take half a strip, then if you feel the need take the other half 12 hours later. You can work your way up to a whole one in the next couple of days. Make sure to attach the side with the white writing to your mouth under the tounge and dont drink, smoke, or talk until it has dissolved completely. Not trying to be bossy, these are just things nobody told me when i started taking it and i didn't find out til later (guess i didnt bother to read the instructions). My insurance just made me switch to Bunavail after being on Suboxone for a year. Not sure what i think about it. Quite frankly all these meds piss me off because the sad fact is u can't get off this shit either and you still get treated like crap by the doctors, pharmacists, and anybody else who finds out you're on it. I wish all of you the best and i pray that one day we can all be happy, joyous, and free without dope and this stuff that is supposed to get us off dope....
nygiants1313
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I go back and forth between subs and dope. Ive taken subs as little as 4 hours after dope. I think PWD happen if you are depebdant on dope vs dependant on sub. In the past i encountered PWD when id use dope for 8 months and take sub to early. But now that i use suboxone more then i do dope it seems i can go back and forth as i please. Say you take suboxone for a week straight. Then take a 1mg sub at 5am. 12 hours later do dope. Use dope for 48 hours lets say doing the last of it at 5am. Well 6 hours after that i can use subs with no PWD.
I know its weird and confusing but once you go back and forth constantky i dont think you gotta worry about PWD. I see more PWD occurance after going on a long ass run without suboxone.
I dunno if this helps
I know its weird and confusing but once you go back and forth constantky i dont think you gotta worry about PWD. I see more PWD occurance after going on a long ass run without suboxone.
I dunno if this helps
I'm definitely dependent on dope. The last few months I've been on just dope. The last 4 days I started taking 1mg of sub early morning ( 14/15 hrs after I last use), hoping that I could build the sub up in my system. Then by early afternoon I end up using. My intentions were/are to keep the dose of sub I take low to try to avoid PWD. I'm not sure if 1mg is even enough to cause PWD. The first two days I did feel crappy after taking it but I'm not sure if it's because I'm in dope wd and the sub dose was just to small to have any effect or if it was PWD. The 1st day I ended up taking a large dose of loperamide to take the edge off. I know I should just suck it up and wait until I'm in full blown wd's to take the sub but mentally I freak out. My family doesn't know anything so it's tough to be that sick in front of them. I also have kids and need to be somewhat functionable. Tomorrow I have no choice to take just subs because I have to go back to work Monday. My plan is to take 2mgs instead of the 1mg and pray that it doesn't make me feel crappier. Hopefully the 1mg I've been taking the last few days will help the situation. Fingers crossed.
When you go back and forth between h & subs, how much h are u doing and how many mg's of sub do you take?
When you go back and forth between h & subs, how much h are u doing and how many mg's of sub do you take?
I took 2mgs this morning at 5:30am. I didn't get PWD but I had the most horrible anxiety and restlessness. I tried taking a muscle relaxer, that didn't help much so then I took a clonidine. Still didn't help. So I caved and used. I didn't use a lot and I didn't feel anything from it so I plan on taking sub again tomorrow and I hope I feel ok. I should of just taken another 1mg or 2mg of sub but my anxiety was killing me.
I read that you took sub too? How did you feel? Did u just take the sub?
I read that you took sub too? How did you feel? Did u just take the sub?
nygiants1313
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Ok ok im pretty sure i follow you and im pretty sure you dont gotta worry about the PWD anymore as your now constantly going back and forth. So in a way its good and bad lol but i do the exact same thing.
Woke up today took 1mg of sub and then 6 hours later i did 3 bags of dope and a few hours after i did 4 bags of dope. Now im gonna use dope all day tomorrow all the way until midnight. Im in the process of quitting on monday actually but if i wasnt id wake up 6 hours after my last dose of dope and use sub. Like you do.
Theres no doubt in my mind the constant going back and forth fucks everything up bad. Taking just enough sub to make it through the day while being able to use in the afternoon and feel it IS NOT the way to do things and will lead to nothing good. If we we are serious about quitting then the first day or 2 we should take enough subs so in no way shape or form could using later in the day be an option. We sre kinda cheating the system kinda if you know what im saying, so thats how you know your still so mentally addicted otherwise why not take that 4mg dose in the morning? Right? This is why im done with the subs because i really really really wanna be done with it all.
I got no subs and took 2 weeks off of work so monday im gonna CT it. (Done it before ik the deal) Im one of those all or nothing type people and you will never make the progress you want going back and forth. each time the subs seem to work less and less.
and im gonna call bullshit on your reasons for keeping the sub dose so small. I mean sure you wanna avoid PWD, but your dosing small so you can use in the afternoon and feel it. Your talking to junkies so be honest with yourself. (No disrespect) but lets be real if you want to avoid PWD AND stop using why wouldnt you take the 1mg sub in the AM, see that your not in PWD, then a few hours later take 2 more mg. the PWD will be avoided and you can let it build up in the system. But this way makes it so you really wouldnt be able to use in the afternoon.
To be honest 2mg will be fine. The 1mg uve been taking prib wont have affect on any of it as you have used in the afternoon.
If you really wanna quit for first couple days do w.e u gotta do to not use even if that means taking extra sub in afternoon so you cant use. But you need to WANT to not use not "have bo choice"
I wish you best sry if i repeated myself some i been up for 30 hours straight and wrote this post for 20min on my ohone lol.
C ya
Carl Landrover
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If you were fine with dosing 1mg, you could have just continued with that instead of using H. I don't understand the route you're going with this.
The sub would be reducing the effects of the H so it's even more of a waste of money than normal.
If you're having trouble waiting until you're in full blown WD, taking clonidine should help get through those few more hours, especially if you end up caving because of anxiety.
If you did pick up dope you could make sure you use the last of it earlier in the day, around 2pm for example, so that by the time the morning rolls around you should be sick enough to take sub without worry. Unless you have a dealer that you can meet before 8am. I'm in pretty heavy WD by 18 hours (even less if I hadn't used heavily in the prior 2 days) and by 21 hours I'm really sick. You don't really need a full 24 hours.
The sub would be reducing the effects of the H so it's even more of a waste of money than normal.
If you're having trouble waiting until you're in full blown WD, taking clonidine should help get through those few more hours, especially if you end up caving because of anxiety.
If you did pick up dope you could make sure you use the last of it earlier in the day, around 2pm for example, so that by the time the morning rolls around you should be sick enough to take sub without worry. Unless you have a dealer that you can meet before 8am. I'm in pretty heavy WD by 18 hours (even less if I hadn't used heavily in the prior 2 days) and by 21 hours I'm really sick. You don't really need a full 24 hours.
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I took one mg of subs in the morning. It didn't send me into PWD but it didn't take away that much withdrawal. So I used. I felt it but not as much as normal. Which I think is good since I'm the guy that is terrified I messed up subs working for me by doing them in the am and shooting up at night. I did that for a period of time last year.
So no PWD. Of course that makes me worry that is because subs don't work for me anymore but they've got to right? I could swear i feel them blocking the two shots I did this afternoon and tonight.
So tomorrow I will do better and take more subs. I think it is like the above poster said. For the first few days we will have to take a lot to block the H and kill the craving.
You said my biggest fear though. That going back and forth makes subs work less. But if I am serious about getting clean and just wake and take only subs they will still work right? And the longer I am clean and taking only subs the better they will work and the more stable on them I will get? I need some reassurance that they never stop working. I need them to work and I need myself to believe they will work so I take them and give it my all.
You said you've gone back and forth a lot. They still work for you don't they? Don't lie to me but please tell me they do and I didn't mess this up for myself. The methadobe clinic has a three month wait and I'm not an all or nothing CT type of guy. Before relapsing I was happily on subs and stable with a good life for a long time. I want that back. I need that back.
So no PWD. Of course that makes me worry that is because subs don't work for me anymore but they've got to right? I could swear i feel them blocking the two shots I did this afternoon and tonight.
So tomorrow I will do better and take more subs. I think it is like the above poster said. For the first few days we will have to take a lot to block the H and kill the craving.
You said my biggest fear though. That going back and forth makes subs work less. But if I am serious about getting clean and just wake and take only subs they will still work right? And the longer I am clean and taking only subs the better they will work and the more stable on them I will get? I need some reassurance that they never stop working. I need them to work and I need myself to believe they will work so I take them and give it my all.
You said you've gone back and forth a lot. They still work for you don't they? Don't lie to me but please tell me they do and I didn't mess this up for myself. The methadobe clinic has a three month wait and I'm not an all or nothing CT type of guy. Before relapsing I was happily on subs and stable with a good life for a long time. I want that back. I need that back.
nygiants1313
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Well at least you are trying with a good mentality about ya. And no worries brotha if subs help you live normal and happy im happy for you i wish that was case for me. Yes the subs still work for me but not how they use to. Itll take plenty more now to do what 1mg use to and it sucks. Also each time i gotta get back on sub for 1-3 days there is no doubt things are just off whether it be fatigue, body aches, cravings, a mix of everything ill just say they arent nearly effective as they once were.
The mind is a powerful tool and addiction will try and make you think subs wont work. Theyll always work sometimes not as good as other depending on numerous variables but you should alwsys be able to stabalize, it just will keep being harder to stabalize which will make you not want to keep trying if you see what i mean.
So i suggest not letting it get to that point
Thanks! Phew. That's good to hear. My mind has convinced me from a post or two I've read that subs won't work anymore. So the transition gets harder yeah? I wonder if that isn't because our tolerances go up over time and subs have trouble with high tolerances. I'd better not over think it though. As long as they still work.
Have you gone on any extended periods of time lately of not doing subs and then had to get back on? Am how much did you have to take and how hard was the transition back? You at you have to take more and it's harder. How hard are we talking about?
Have you gone on any extended periods of time lately of not doing subs and then had to get back on? Am how much did you have to take and how hard was the transition back? You at you have to take more and it's harder. How hard are we talking about?
nygiants1313
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Yea man deff dont let your mind get all crazy with it. Instead think in a more logical, and positive way. As in "i know the subs will work, i know the first few days may be a little tough transition wise, but it will work i just gotta stick with it." Mentality plays a HUGE role in all of this.
When it comes to extended time i would say i recently went on a 2.5/3 week run with dope using my last of it at 4pm stayed up really late until like 5am slept until 1 then took my sub. So deff under 24 hours and i sniffed about 1mg and a few hours later did another 1mg. I felt OK. Not perfect but not in withdrawals so ibwas pleased. Then the following day took 2mg. The 2nd day was much better. Theres no doubt day 1 abd 2 of the transition sucks, and your a tad achy depressed and whatnot. But that's all part of it.
So like i said once you tske that small dose of sub abd notice no PWD then id take a lil more til you feel good for that first 1-3 days or whatever then stabalize.
Ok thanks. Your post is really helpful. That is why I need to do. Let the logical part of my brain do the thinking instead of the ocd part. Thanks so much.
I don't know hi I got it into my he'd that subs can stop working completely. Ocd. It's not great. Thanks again for the encouragement.
I don't know hi I got it into my he'd that subs can stop working completely. Ocd. It's not great. Thanks again for the encouragement.
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