Steroid/MDMA/Hallucinogen interactions, minimizing risk, liver recovery time

[turquoisedoors]

Hey. I blast and cruise ever since I got diagnosed with low T(290ng/dl avg over 3 tests). Don't drink or do drugs except for one festival per year, and that festival is coming up, trying to figure out optimal timing to go in as big as possible while also minimizing risk.

Week 1 - 8 : 750mg UGL Test E
Week 1 - ?(4,5,6?) : 50mg UGL Dianabol(definitely real, possibly underdosed slightly)

The festival takes place at the start of the 8th week. I'm keeping the test in to minimize muscle loss while there, and as far as I know injectables + drugs don't really negatively interact all that much(?). My question is mainly when to stop the dianabol so that my liver recovers in time for the festival(probably wont be doing any drugs on the 7th, but will be on the 9th, 10th, 11th for sure, possibly the 8th). In an ideal world I would like to stop after 6 weeks of dbol giving me 8-9 days for my liver to recover, but should I stop it earlier? Anything else I can do to minimize damage? Will be donating blood 1-2 weeks before the festival to lower rbc, lots of fish oil. Plan for the festival is probably low dose mushrooms/something mild on the 8th, mdma(1 cap) on the 9th, mushrooms or lsd + mdma on the 10th, and some combo of the same on the 11th. Possibly one of the days without mdma and just with high dose shrooms or lsd. Also might try DMT at some point. Views?

I'm well aware that in general steroids and recreational drugs do not mix, that is why for the most part I don't do them. That being said, its somewhat obvious that mdma + test is still less harmful than lots of cycles people do(multi-oral cycles, high dose tren, etc). I do this one time per year, and my question is simply how to make sure that the dbol isn't something I have to worry about, as well as how to minimize risk.

Thanks for any help

 

[pasha]

Basic Drug Discussion -> Steroid Discussion

 

[turquoisedoors]

I will not insult the IQ of Steroid Discussion. Many members there are more experienced than me with steroids, bodybuilding, and narcotics. They are only looking out for my well being.

 

[Genetic Freak]

Yeah I knew that section existed, posted it in basic drug discussion to get a legitimate reply from somebody who has an IQ over 100.

Not the best reply to get a desired response from SD... lol
Regards MDMA:
MDMA is first metabolized by CYP3A4 (N-demethylation) to MDA. Both are then metabolized by CYP2D6.As testosterone is a substrate for both I might wonder if there might be some competition there..?

That aside, I doubt you would be in a fit state to train if using combinations of the above especially on subsequent days, if anything I might suggest using each drug only once throughout the festival..
Rather than exercise I would have thought rest and as much nutrition as possible would be your best option... Post festival recovery should be your goal, not training, it won't work...

Mushrooms, MDMA, LSD, DMT.... Lucky bastards....!!!

 

[turquoisedoors]

Thanks. Yeah makes sense, will likely just shovel food in all day and drink tons of tea to deal with sodium/bp.


As far as the reply, I have just always found it so hypocritical of people to criticize others for mixing drugs and steroids while they support high dose cycles(ie : what gh15 recommends). Steroids are drugs, and denying that is just denying reality. The feeling given from the first few weeks of dbol(dopamine..) is obviously comparable to other drugs. The goal should always be harm minimization and education, not abstinence. Things are very rarely black and white. I'll educate myself some way or another, but lots of people in absence of real advice will just go and do everything with no precautions, and that is really a shame.

 

[Genetic Freak]

Thanks. Yeah makes sense, will likely just shovel food in all day and drink tons of tea to deal with sodium/bp.


As far as the reply, I have just always found it so hypocritical of people to criticize others for mixing drugs and steroids while they support high dose cycles(ie : what gh15 recommends). Steroids are drugs, and denying that is just denying reality. The feeling given from the first few weeks of dbol(dopamine..) is obviously comparable to other drugs. The goal should always be harm minimization and education, not abstinence. Things are very rarely black and white. I'll educate myself some way or another, but lots of people in absence of real advice will just go and do everything with no precautions, and that is really a shame.

We've all done it M8'... That's why we know it doesn't work.. I am only just beginning to understand some of the science behind it, CYP2D6 + CYP3A4 enzyme competition may effect Test + Estrogen, GHB may induce some GH but that's negated by cortisol and prolactin release, what's going on with Amphetamines, Hallucinogenics, and the rest best ask ADD...
I'd be looking for something a bit more potent than green tea.... L-Carnatine, V-C, V-E, protein foods rich in Tryptophan + Tyrosine might be a start...

 

[smson_420]

I have never done MDMA on cycle, yet I regularly do coke while juiced. I tried MDMA for the first time just a few weeks ago, but I have been off cycle for almost a month.

The coke never gave me much issues, yet I only do it rarely(once every 6 months or so) and it small quantities.

 

[-Guido-]

Thanks. Yeah makes sense, will likely just shovel food in all day and drink tons of tea to deal with sodium/bp.


As far as the reply, I have just always found it so hypocritical of people to criticize others for mixing drugs and steroids while they support high dose cycles(ie : what gh15 recommends). Steroids are drugs, and denying that is just denying reality. The feeling given from the first few weeks of dbol(dopamine..) is obviously comparable to other drugs. The goal should always be harm minimization and education, not abstinence. Things are very rarely black and white. I'll educate myself some way or another, but lots of people in absence of real advice will just go and do everything with no precautions, and that is really a shame.

Dianabol comparable to drugs? Yeah okay.8(

gh15 supports high dose cycles for people who are trying to be pro bodybuilders and have been using steroids for a while. He doesn't support fucking noobs jumping on grams of gear.

When you are using hormones, the only choice is abstinence from recreational drugs. I and others speak from experience. Every bodybuilder and gym rat that has died, the one key ingredient was recreational drugs.

What would happen if you decide to do ecstasy on cycle when your blood pressure is up (steroids do this) and your pill is cut or your cardiovascular system has a defect?

The reason people and myself are so NO DRUGS ON STEROIDS is because people end up either dead or with health complications. True harm reduction would be not using drugs on steroids and saving them for when you were cruising on TRT dose of test or off cycle.

 

[-Guido-]

I have never done MDMA on cycle, yet I regularly do coke while juiced. I tried MDMA for the first time just a few weeks ago, but I have been off cycle for almost a month.

The coke never gave me much issues, yet I only do it rarely(once every 6 months or so) and it small quantities.

Using Cocaine on steroids when steroids already have your blood pressure raised and your heart working overtime due to that RBC count increase? Wow. Stop playing with fire bro before you have a stroke or heart attack.

 

[smson_420]

Using Cocaine on steroids when steroids already have your blood pressure raised and your heart working overtime due to that RBC count increase? Wow. Stop playing with fire bro before you have a stroke or heart attack.

Thank you for that helpful info.

I am aware of the risks & other shit that can come from this.

I accept the co sequences for my actions


P.S. after this last cycle I doubt I will do any drugs while "on" Again. The dangers are just too high and not worth the risk.

 

[turquoisedoors]

Dianabol comparable to drugs? Yeah okay.8(

gh15 supports high dose cycles for people who are trying to be pro bodybuilders and have been using steroids for a while. He doesn't support fucking noobs jumping on grams of gear.

When you are using hormones, the only choice is abstinence from recreational drugs. I and others speak from experience. Every bodybuilder and gym rat that has died, the one key ingredient was recreational drugs.

What would happen if you decide to do ecstasy on cycle when your blood pressure is up (steroids do this) and your pill is cut or your cardiovascular system has a defect?

The reason people and myself are so NO DRUGS ON STEROIDS is because people end up either dead or with health complications. True harm reduction would be not using drugs on steroids and saving them for when you were cruising on TRT dose of test or off cycle.

What I'm saying is that GH15 recommends cycles that are unsafe for people who have goals which would be otherwise unattainable. The issue is that who is to say that those goals are worth risking your health? At the same time, who can say that they aren't? I work hard all year, study hard, exercize hard, this is the one time where I'm not a perfectionist. I value it as a time to deload from stress and relax. All I want is to minimize the risk. I get 'pure' mdma from good sources and double check by getting it tested before using. Instead of locking the thread and insulting me by suggesting misc or bb.com, you could have suggested to make sure my source was pure, make sure my blood pressure was below a certain amount, get varying blood tests before going, do things to keep blood pressure down(canadian, so completely willing to get as many tests from doctor, or even get a script for bp drugs if needed), or even just suggest cutting the blast short by one week. I understand that people who abuse drugs or don't care or don't test their source will get into shit, but harm prevention is a real thing, otherwise way more pro bodybuilders would be keeling over. I understand its a risk, what I'm looking for are ways to reduce(not eliminate) that risk, or even a comparison of how risky MDMA is vs MDMA+Test. Statistically, 100mg of MDMA is about as risky as driving 6 miles on a motorcycle(will source this if asked, uk drug minister or something iirc)

From doing more reading it seems like dbol will clear the liver in time, mdma isn't very harsh on the liver at all, but both can be rough for the kidneys and I'm not exactly sure what to do about this besides keeping water intake moderate while on and going to the first aid tent if anything feels fishy at all. Blood pressure is also a potential issue.

As a side note, how is doing something like eca while on a heavy cycle better than doing mdma on a mild cycle.

 

[Genetic Freak]

Just found this:

7.2.1 Endocrine Effects in Humans
MDMA acutely increases cortisol, prolactin, and adrenocorticotropic hormone concentrations in a
dose dependent manner [6, 143, 160, 167, 169], whereas growth hormone is unchanged by up to
125 mg MDMA [167]. Increases in cortisol and prolactin peak at about 2 hours after MDMA
administration. A second dose of 100 mg MDMA given four hours after an initial 100 mg produces
a second increase in cortisol during an interval when cortisol levels are declining [170], and a dose
of 100 mg MDMA given 24 hours after an initial dose stimulates a greater release of cortisol but
not prolactin [160].

http://www.maps.org/research/IB_6thEd_FINAL_7Sep10.pdf