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Sterilization and the cessation of menstruation.

Libby

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So I read an article somewhere (newspaper I think) about retard(severly intellectually disabled /PC) ladies who are forcably sterilized that said not only can they not fall preganant, they do not experience periods as result of said procedure.

Intrigued; I made with the googles, only to find tubal ligation does not result in loss of menstruation,
Is there some other form of steralization they perform against the will of these retards, I mean intellectually handi-capable /PC persons not tubal ligation?

Not sure if agree with the "forced", but as I am consenting, anyone know how to procure?
 
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I think it used to be a hysterectomy...

Edit: if you want to have no periods you should try the Implanon, I've been on it for 2.5 years and in this entire time I've had 2 days of bleeding. Freedom!! :)
 
Thanks for reply. I am not interested in being on any hormonal birth control. Hormones make up such a huge part of who a person is imo, and I don't like the idea of being on a medication that fucks that all up every single day. May sound weird as I obviously use drugs, but I would never use drugs on a regular basis, let alone every single day, that's scary stuff.

Hmmm maybe the new paper article (would attach if I could remember what newspaper/ how long ago it was) wasn't clear enough about everything that's involved.

I'll look into hysterectomy, but am quite sure they do not perform this sort of thing on healthy young women, more cancer patients and the like, and that there are hormonal medications that go along with it.

*sigh* Maybe it isn't quite as simple as the impression I got from the article. Then again, my cat was sterilized and never has periods or any other problems, unlike mum's dog which wasn't and would get blood spots all around during "season". There MUST be a more simple approach, little sugar just needed a touch of ketamine and one single stitch, to be send home happy as larry later that same say day. *ponders*
 
My friend had a hysterectomy - granted she's about 45 and had children, but she wasn't even menopausal and not a cancer patient or anything. She simply did it because her periods brought about very bad migraines... she says it's the best thing she's ever done, though it does mess up with your natural lubrication - and of course, releases hormones as much as any birth control method, it might be your own body's hormones but they are still altered by the procedure as you will go into early menopause once you have your womb removed and the resulting lack of naturally produced estrogen can lead to other health problems. Ironically you might then be offered HRT for the side effects, which I doubt you'll want to take. It's also a major operation and doctors would be hesitant with young women as you might change your mind about having children.

Sterilisation won't stop your periods, really your only choices are hormones or hysterectomy. That's the curse of being a woman and wanting to keep things natural... Are your periods really bad? Must admit I don't miss mine!
 
Then again, my cat was sterilized and never has periods or any other problems, unlike mum's dog which wasn't and would get blood spots all around during "season". There MUST be a more simple approach, little sugar just needed a touch of ketamine and one single stitch, to be send home happy as larry later that same say day. *ponders*

Canines and felines have a very different physiology & anatomy to humans. They don't menstruate as women do. Cats don't bleed at all when in season, and the blood you saw from the dog wasn't the same as the bleeding that takes place in humans.

As lola said, if you don't want to bleed its either hormonal control or removal of the uterus I'm afraid.
 
Wow, you actually opened my eyes to a subject in that I did not know exist, and now unto research am finding out massive complexities regarding this issue and about of sterilization came about in the first place. It's really interesting.

So from what I pulled is The American Academy of Pediatrics in whom basically states the main article “Sterilization of Women Who Are Mentally Handicapped,” published in 1990, indicates the lines,

"3. When sterilization or pharmacological control of menses is chosen after the appropriate informed deliberations and attempts at obtaining consent, the pediatrician should always advocate the least permanent and intrusive methodology consistent with lowest risk for the patient. Present and future research and clinical trials may very well make newer forms of chemical contraception or pharmacologic amenorrhea preferable to surgical sterilization.

4. Even if satisfactory informed consent cannot be provided by the patient, all efforts must be made to communicate the procedure and intent of the planned intervention to the patient; estimations of the patient's ability to comprehend and participate in the decision-making process should be done by personnel who are familiar with the individual patient and who are experienced in communication with persons with diminished mental capacity."


to an updated version in 1999, in who's abstract reads,

"Sterilization of persons with developmental disabilities has often been performed without appropriate regard for their decision-making capacities, abilities to care for children, feelings, or interests. In addition, sterilization sometimes has been performed with the mistaken belief that it will prevent expressions of sexuality, diminish the chances of sexual exploitation, or reduce the likelihood of acquiring sexually transmitted diseases. A decision to pursue sterilization of someone with developmental disabilities requires a careful assessment of the individual's capacity to make decisions, the consequences of reproduction for the person and any child that might be born, the alternative means available to address the consequences of sexual maturation, and the applicable local, state, and federal laws. Pediatricians can facilitate good decision-making by raising these issues at the onset of puberty."


I skimmed over both articles and the main ideas and essentially what we have are facts that,

a) Sterilization does not apply to anyone over a minor-age, and such reproductive health, minus the idea of "human-rights", will be under in whom the parent can make decisions for the child base on the lack of capacity for the retard to make his or her own decisions. If it is the "decision" making that primarily interests you, the law dictates physicians need to make a sensible decision over a complex issue that the retard can't make decisions on his/her own, but too also make every effort possible to ensure the retard understands what is happening. This logic is flawless in the eyes of the recent case of Brandon Raub in which extreme circumstances render the professional opinion someone was not able to make his or her own decisions.

It basically makes a context in which a mentally-retarded person is stripped of a decision based on cognition, the same as hospitalization of those under the influence of drugs in whom "can't make own decisions."

b) The 1999 article makes its acknowledgement of the previous rendition did not acknowledge the patients capacity for understanding the procedure, and such further additional lines were added under paragraph, "Interests of Those who May Produce."


The actual human-rights case was in 1942 in which "US Supreme Court declared human procreation to be a fundamental right, prompting major changes in the legal landscape.6 Obtaining authorization to sterilize individuals, including those with developmental disabilities, became substantially more difficult, if not prohibited in some jurisdictions."


As I did more research, the case of Skinner vs Oklahoma basically set itself as precedent as other states adopted similar laws based on "eugenics: weeding out those unfit for life." and if I am to make a very general statement about those being forced against their will of sterilization, then I would be setting a precedent that I'm a doctor and should know best whether or not a patient may be sterilized. There's no way liberal standards are in practice for clinicians in deciding this, and even then the consent of the parents is always mandatory and multiple parties will have been held responsible for any wrong doing when the choice of sterilization is a medical decision, something which we are not trained to do.
 
Disappointing, guess I got my hopes up and all excited over nothing!
Thanks everyone for clearing all that up for me :) <3

Edit: Didn't see that last post before I posted.
It is interesting isn't it?
I see how maybe they are acting in the best interest of the patient, I couldn't deal with motherhood or anything like that and I don't have special needs, imagine how overwhelming it would be for someone with such limitations. Periods fucking suck, but imagine if you didn't really understand what they were about, or were unable to keep on top of when you're due and changing tmpons often enough, or forgetting to and leaving one in for too long can lead to Toxic Shock Syndrome which can be fatal, not to mention if the sight of blood in your knickers itself sent you into a meltdown/panic. Sounds like a nightmare, I'm not saying I agree with it or not, just that I can see reasoning behind it, and it is a very interesting topic, perhaps warranting further discussion..
 
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I was looking into hysterectomy, but as someone already said, they won't do it on young women. Dang it!
 
No doctor in his right mind would perform this on you. Use birth control like lola mentioned. Leaves you with options, and everyone needs options.
 
Well, children, if you just wait, menstruation stops by itself.

Getting older sucks in a lot of ways. I don't feel attractive anymore and being not ugly <see what I did there? looks easy, but it's not> was infinitely more of an advantage than I ever realized when I was pre-50.

At 53 I don't have to worry about menstruation at all and it is SO good, that it almost makes up for every unkind thing getting old does... to body and mind.
 
This elective endometrial ablation you mention sounds like what I was looking for. Though not as effective/straight forward as I had hoped.

The goal of endometrial ablation is to reduce the heavy bleeding to normal or below normal levels. After the procedure about 50% of patients will have no periods and 40% will have reduced periods. In about 10% of patients the procedure is not successful. This may mean that the heavy bleeding continues or pain develops. A hysterectomy is often recommended if endometrial ablation is not successful. In some patients, particularly if they are at risk of complications from hysterectomy, a repeat ablation may be recommended.

It is not possible to carry and give birth to children after the procedure but endometrial ablation is not considered a form of contraception. Conception can still occur but it would not be possible for the embryo to implant in the endometrial lining in the normal manner. Complications such as miscarriage or ectopic pregnancy can occur. This should be discussed with the surgeon prior to the procedure.

So.. only 50% of patients have no period after the procedure? Although these are patients who were suffering from abnormally heavy bleeding, it might be safe to say for someone who has normal periods to begin with, the success rate would be a lot higher. Check!

Can't carry pregnancy but can still conceive resulting in complications such as miscarriage or ectopic pregnancy? These complications sound less than desirable, but I'm not going to stop using condoms so I suppose it's not something I'ld likely have to ever deal with. Check!

The patient may develop amenorrhea, however hormonal functioning will remain unaffected.
Ding ding ding! No fucking up hormones (unlike if you used birth control medication/s, or if you went through menopause-not that you could really force early menopause) just like I wanted! Check and double check!

Will have to look into all the details and risks thoroughly of course, but looks like onto a winner.

Thanks very much for sharing PA! <3 <3
 
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