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Opioids Starting Suboxone to kick roxi

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Hi, sorry i'm new and just made this to seek out help. I'm 19, been addicted to opiates about 3 years. I was on 150mg a day this past month until things lead to me running low on money and doing some dilaudids (3 4mgs a day) while ive been trying to taper down. Mmy friend got some sub for me and it's a strip. I broke it into 8 pieces (a mg each) and took on sheet about 30 mins ago. Am I good to take another mg? I don't feel total sick but i don't feel totally better either. I've detoxed somewhat so I'm trying to dose as low as possible to just help out so I can get rid of these cravings and be free of this. Any help or suggestions please? Again, sorry if I posted in the wrong area or have done something wrong, i'm new here: support and help appreciated. Thanks
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It's going to take 7-10 days for the physical withdrawal to pass. And imo the psychological withdrawal never goes away. That's the hard part. Kicking roxi doesn't meant just detox.
 
^^ I second the bit about psychological withdrawl. The intial physical withdrawls are miserable but if I make it through them the dreams, cravings, depression, etc always lead me to relapse.
 
Eh, all things considered, I'd chance another mg, no more than that for now, but 1 mg to starts a little low.....still, maybe give it 6 hours or so....the 1 mg might work.
 
Oh and to clarify: by cravings I meant the God awful ones you get when dope sick, not the normal every day battling of addiction ones.
 
You should just kick the roxi cold turkey. People are always so quick to jump to suboxone.
 
When first being inducted on suboxone, whether by a doctor or by yourself, it's usually recommended to take a dose of 1-2mgs and then wait 2 hours. If you still feel sick, take another 2mgs and wait another 2 hours.. Not going above 8mg the first day. Since you didn't have a really bad habit, you might not even need a full 8mg to get well. But probably you will need more than just 1mg. But try and wait 2 hours in between dosing until you get maintained. Suboxone takes around that long to really peak and let you know if a given dose is working.
 
Diloadid said:
You should just kick the roxi cold turkey. People are always so quick to jump to suboxone.
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Im sorry but this is such a bullshit reply. The person takes a semi large dose of oxy daily and sure as shit would be sick by going cold turkey.
 
i are spectre said:
yeah unless you get hooked on suboxone and face a 10-20 day w/d. i say stay clear and kick the oxy as is.
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Well, you do bring up an interesting point. The decision one is faced with when deciding to get on bupe... One one hand, if you do end up getting heavily dependnet on the bupe (meaning you stay on it for a long time and don't use it for a quick taper which I personally recommend) you're going to have a much longer and more drawn out kick..though it won't be as severe as far as symptoms go. If you want to take the faster route and don't mind being in some pain.. than kick the oxy itself, or any full agonist. The kick is much shorter.. but the withdrawals are more severe during that time. It's a trade off.. people need to decide what works best for them.
 
Don't be scared, and congrats! I kicked heroin by tapering with sub and it sounds like alot of other people here have as well. Good luck.
 
mr.scagnattie said:
Well, you do bring up an interesting point. The decision one is faced with when deciding to get on bupe... One one hand, if you do end up getting heavily dependnet on the bupe (meaning you stay on it for a long time and don't use it for a quick taper which I personally recommend) you're going to have a much longer and more drawn out kick..though it won't be as severe as far as symptoms go. If you want to take the faster route and don't mind being in some pain.. than kick the oxy itself, or any full agonist. The kick is much shorter.. but the withdrawals are more severe during that time. It's a trade off.. people need to decide what works best for them.
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There's definitely a fine line, I agree....the sub kick sucks....If you're on H for years or with a ridiculous oxy habit, sub makes sense...It all sucks truth be told, but sub lasts longer....not quite as painful, but it drags, that's for sure...
 
oxie said:
Im sorry but this is such a bullshit reply. The person takes a semi large dose of oxy daily and sure as shit would be sick by going cold turkey.
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Lol. Nah. It will save you money and help prove that you have some actual power to overcome this personal adversity. 150mg isn't altogether an entirely large dose of oxycodone, and OP suggest he had only been taking 150mg for the past month, so I have no idea what his dose regimen beforehand was like. I just speak from personal experience, because I have had to cold turkey withdrawal in the county jail... too many times.

I just think these days people are so quick to say 'I NEED suboxone'. No, you WANT suboxone to help make it easier.

Be strong OP, you'll make it somehow.
 
mr.scagnattie said:
Well, you do bring up an interesting point. The decision one is faced with when deciding to get on bupe... One one hand, if you do end up getting heavily dependnet on the bupe (meaning you stay on it for a long time and don't use it for a quick taper which I personally recommend) you're going to have a much longer and more drawn out kick..though it won't be as severe as far as symptoms go. If you want to take the faster route and don't mind being in some pain.. than kick the oxy itself, or any full agonist. The kick is much shorter.. but the withdrawals are more severe during that time. It's a trade off.. people need to decide what works best for them.
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This is why I kind of discourage bupe (I also discourage methadone, but praise it more than bupe). I live in an area where oxycodone abuse is beyond ridiculous. Most of my friends that initially started into suboxone therapy years back, are still in suboxone therapy with no desire to efficiently taper. Yeah, they have been on .2mg for a year... but when are you just gonna cease taking it? Money racket if you ask me.
 
Diloadid said:
Money racket if you ask me.
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I do agree with that. The docs and the pharm companies are solely in it for the cash... I mean, they upped the max client number to 100 and basically every doctor I know is totally filled... an average of over a hundred bucks per visit, multiplued by 100 patients.. that's like fifteen grand each month cash in their pockets... Hah. They want you on that shit as longgg as possible. That's why it's up to the addicts to see through that shit and try and have at least some will power to get off of it as fast as possible. But, it is very hard to make that decision...
 
mr.scagnattie said:
I do agree with that. The docs and the pharm companies are solely in it for the cash... I mean, they upped the max client number to 100 and basically every doctor I know is totally filled... an average of over a hundred bucks per visit, multiplued by 100 patients.. that's like fifteen grand each month cash in their pockets... Hah. They want you on that shit as longgg as possible. That's why it's up to the addicts to see through that shit and try and have at least some will power to get off of it as fast as possible. But, it is very hard to make that decision...
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Yeah. It is kind of the same difference as a pain clinic, really.

$200 a visit $300 prescription fill (I'm not trying to do price discussion, just making a reference because I have only a vague idea of the actual cost).
 
All in all, it's easier for a lot of heavy users to taper using sub....a straight detox is just to drastic for some people....then again, some of the people I met at my sub doctors that were there for 25mg of hydro, well thats ridiculous, they're just making it 5 x worse by going on sub...

Still, there's some doctors out there that still claim that sub has no withdrawals...
 
BlueHues said:
then again, some of the people I met at my sub doctors that were there for 25mg of hydro, well thats ridiculous, they're just making it 5 x worse by going on sub...
Still, there's some doctors out there that still claim that sub has no withdrawals...
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See, I know withdrawal is subjective. Some claim it worse than others, and yeah it is bad... but it isn't the end of the world. I can't say in good spirit that "Withdrawal from 150mg of oxy or 25mg of hydrocodone is a cakewalk", but it is something that given the real desire to cease doing can be done by just stepping up your character.

I mean, I probably shouldn't spout these thoughts but I think the current concept of drug addiction is bullshit, and even more AA/NA is bullshit. That is just my .02 and I don't wish to push those views on anybody. You don't need Jesus or a little orange strip. You need you, the realest you.
 
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