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nolys

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Hi guize, I'm just looking to post what I plan on doing for my first aas cycle and hope to hear your comments and critisizms (sp).

My stats -
Age - 20 years of age (don't bitch at me that I'm too young, the decision has been made)
Weight - 82 kg (180 pounds or something I think)
Height - 6 ft
Body fat - I'm guessing 9% as it was 10% about 9 months ago and I've been training hard + I have not got a bit of fat on me
Training regime - 4 times per week, normally 4 sets x 8 reps though sometimes 5x5
Diet - gonna be honest its not amazing, though its not particularly bad either, I plan on using the money I save from not drinking alcohol to buy the food I need though so this is not much bother.

Ok so I plan on using test enthanate along with nolva and clomid for 15 weeks (not including the pct period)

week 1-15 - 500mg test enthanate per week split into 2x 250mg injections mondays + fridays
Week 16-20 - 50mg clomid per day

Also I will have some nolva on hand in case I develope gyno or other side effects

I'm wondering, is it nessicery to take an ai during your cycle even if you are not having any sides from the enthanate? Or can I just wait to see what happens then take it if nessicery. I'm guessing I can wait seeing as this is a pretty weak cycle.
I won't be doing this for at least 4 weeks probably about 6 weeks + havnt purchased my gear yet.
Please feel free to critisize anything you see fit apart from my age as I know the risks and have made the decision.

I really need some opinions people so it will be very much appreciated :)
Thanks,
Nolys
 
No it's not necessary to take an AI during a cycle. An AI is a good thing to have in case you start having bad side effects. Gyno is sort of obvious when its developing in that your chest will be sore and any contact will sting a bit. (Developed a small amount of gyno during puberty.)

nolys said:
Diet - gonna be honest its not amazing, though its not particularly bad either, I plan on using the money I save from not drinking alcohol to buy the food I need though so this is not much bother.
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This bothers the hell out of me. Diet is more important than drugs when it comes to body building especially at a low level. Okay? So if you havn't figured out what a proper diet looks like for YOUR body then you need to keep being natural for a lot longer. I can't stress how important your diet is. Fuck a great routine. Without a personalized diet you could potentially waste an entire cycle. The hard part isn't going to the gym and lifting heavy; that's called fun. It's cooking yourself bland-ass chicken every day during a cut and forcing it down.

As for running nolva during your cycle to counter gyno, that's going to hinder your gains a bit as nolva reduces water retention. But like the Hodgetwins would say, "You can do whatever the FUCK you wanna do."
 
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Renz Envy said:
No it's not necessary to take an AI during a cycle. An AI is a good thing to have in case you start having bad side effects. Gyno is sort of obvious when its developing in that your chest will be sore and any contact will sting a bit. (Developed a small amount of gyno during puberty.)


This bothers the hell out of me. Diet is more important than drugs when it comes to body building especially at a low level. Okay? So if you havn't figured out what a proper diet looks like for YOUR body then you need to keep being natural for a lot longer. I can't stress how important your diet is. Fuck a great routine. Without a personalized diet you could potentially waste an entire cycle.

As for running nolva during your cycle to counter gyno, that's going to hinder your gains a bit as nolva reduces water retention. But like the Hodgetwins would say, "You can do whatever the FUCK you wanna do."
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Thanks for the input man, is that what them lumps on my nipples were when I was 13? Fuck I didn't even know that lol

As I said, I'm not saying my diet is bad, I just mean it could be a bit better, I'm gonna use all my extra money to go towards food instead of anything else from now on,
As for the nolva, what would you reccomend as the best replacement in your own opinion?

And apart from the diet is there anything else that I should change for this cycle?
 
No, test only is a good idea for your first time. Yeah you could throw some D-bol or winstrol in there, but test is so balanced that you can manipulate it to pretty much do what you want and side-effects less common. Test is best.

Yeah gyno happens to a lot of people, but like I told my friend who has it, just get to a low body fat and no one can tell. Unless you would rather spend 3 grand for the surgery.

Nolva and clomid are good for PCT. You can run them together, but I don't suggest not using nolva especially if you had gyno during puberty. I really doubt that a test-only cycle is going to have you developing gyno during the cycle and in the case that you start to get sore, start using arimidex.

Just run test by itself. In 3 weeks you should start to notice your energy and confidence increasing. But yeah there's not a lot of tweaking to be done. As long as you start running nolva as you're coming off test-e you shouldn't have a problem.

Just discipline yourself on that diet.

shulginsmyhero said:
post your daily diet up
no bs either,so it can be critqued
diet is the key
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Irrelevant IMO. Everyone is different. I could be a computer-chair nutritionist, but it'd be a waste of my time.
 
Well Ill post what I had to eat today if that helps. Woke up and had 4 rounds of toast for my breakfast then walking to work had 2 cereal bars ( I can't really eat in the mornings it makes me feel sick, the toast is a challange lol) lunch time I had a tin of tune, 3 rounds of bread, 2 packets of crisps, a smallish serving of chicken tikka with rice (processed food but I only had a 30 min lunch break). Back from work, had 2 oranges and 100g cashew nuts, waited 45 mins - dinner had 3 slices bacon (not fried) 2 sausages, 3 scrambled eggs, 3 pieces of potato bread (irish thing) then had a bar of chocolate.
I'm just back from the gym 20 mins ago I'm eating 2 slices of toast + 4 boiled eggs. Might have more tuna and possibly an ice cream cone. Then a shake before bed
That's what I've had today, I'd have more but I'm going to amsterdam next friday and need my money for this (this is the last hoorah before I start taking shit seriously)

Thanks for the info lads its very usefull to me and makes me feel more confident in doing this cycle. What gains could I expect to see? I know everyones different but roughly?
 
dont expect to see much gains from that diet
if you cant eat in the mornings,your gains will be limited
walking to work you probably burned what you ate in the morning,
so you really dont start eating till noon....
big problem
steroids wont work if you dont eat
make your diet number one prority
dont mean to bust balls trying to help,where i went wrong for many years
 
Renz Envy said:
No, test only is a good idea for your first time. Yeah you could throw some D-bol or winstrol in there, but test is so balanced that you can manipulate it to pretty much do what you want and side-effects less common. Test is best.

Yeah gyno happens to a lot of people, but like I told my friend who has it, just get to a low body fat and no one can tell. Unless you would rather spend 3 grand for the surgery.

Nolva and clomid are good for PCT. You can run them together, but I don't suggest not using nolva especially if you had gyno during puberty. I really doubt that a test-only cycle is going to have you developing gyno during the cycle and in the case that you start to get sore, start using arimidex.

Just run test by itself. In 3 weeks you should start to notice your energy and confidence increasing. But yeah there's not a lot of tweaking to be done. As long as you start running nolva as you're coming off test-e you shouldn't have a problem.

Just discipline yourself on that diet.



Irrelevant IMO. Everyone is different. I could be a computer-chair nutritionist, but it'd be a waste of my time.
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true everyone is different
but the basic principles are the same when bulking or cutting
 
Diet not amazing? Get it amazing. Until then, no steroids. Come back asking for diet advise and then we can really start talking cycle help for you.

Diet is everything. Diet is key. It is the difference between 5 pounds of muscle or 25 pounds in 5 weeks. Training is important as well; Make sure whatever training method you are using worked while steroid free.

Go online and check your body fat. There should be a formula you can find through Google or get some calibers. Also remember everyone has body fat. Even the shredded of the most shredded. 3%-4% is necessary to live. You may have been training but if you diet is shit your body fat could be higher than it was.

Check my stickied thread "Starter Cycle". It has just about everything you need to know.

Also be aware that drugs, be it weed, alcohol, anything recreational shouldn't be used on cycle otherwise you are wasting your time.

Lastly two injections is not needed. That's a waste of time and will only lead to unstable hormone levels and aggravate side effects. Test E only needs to be injected once a week. Pick a day and inject the entire 500mg. I don't know where people get this idea that long esters need to be injected twice a week.
 
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-Guido- said:
Diet not amazing? Get it amazing. Until then, no steroids. Come back asking for diet advise and then we can really start talking cycle help for you.

Diet is everything. Diet is key. It is the difference between 5 pounds of muscle or 25 pounds in 5 weeks. Training is important as well; Make sure whatever training method you are using worked while steroid free.

Go online and check your body fat. There should be a formula you can find through Google or get some calibers. Also remember everyone has body fat. Even the shredded of the most shredded. 3%-4% is necessary to live. You may have been training but if you diet is shit your body fat could be higher than it was.

Check my stickied thread "Starter Cycle". It has just about everything you need to know.

Also be aware that drugs, be it weed, alcohol, anything recreational shouldn't be used on cycle otherwise you are wasting your time.

Lastly two injections is not needed. That's a waste of time and will only lead to unstable hormone levels and aggravate side effects. Test E only needs to be injected once a week. Pick a day and inject the entire 500mg. I don't know where people get this idea that long esters need to be injected twice a week.
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Its a personal thing, I know people that inject once a week & are fine with that, me I have found my body responds better pinning every 3rd day.... Test-E peaks blood levels at about day 2 with a double peak on day three tapering away after that.... I have tried pinning 500mg once a week but for whatever reason I get a better response every 3rd with a lesser dose to equate to 500mg/week in total.... Everyones different I suppose.........
 
-Guido- said:
Diet not amazing? Get it amazing. Until then, no steroids. Come back asking for diet advise and then we can really start talking cycle help for you.

Diet is everything. Diet is key. It is the difference between 5 pounds of muscle or 25 pounds in 5 weeks. Training is important as well; Make sure whatever training method you are using worked while steroid free.

Go online and check your body fat. There should be a formula you can find through Google or get some calibers. Also remember everyone has body fat. Even the shredded of the most shredded. 3%-4% is necessary to live. You may have been training but if you diet is shit your body fat could be higher than it was.

Check my stickied thread "Starter Cycle". It has just about everything you need to know.

Also be aware that drugs, be it weed, alcohol, anything recreational shouldn't be used on cycle otherwise you are wasting your time.

Lastly two injections is not needed. That's a waste of time and will only lead to unstable hormone levels and aggravate side effects. Test E only needs to be injected once a week. Pick a day and inject the entire 500mg. I don't know where people get this idea that long esters need to be injected twice a week.
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i have to disagree with you about using weed while on guido
i smoke every night,it helps me eat some serious amounts of food,when im bulking
i see it as very beneficial for me,and it doesnt make me eat shitty food or make me lazy
 
The steroid noobie shouldn't be using anything on cycle that might fuck with his body and mind.
 
Thanks for the reopen guido,
As far as BF goes, I am 100% sure that I have lost bf not gained it, so its at the very most 9.5%, I'm pretty lean already.
Also I disagree about the weed unless there is something I have not experianced, I self medicate with weed for insomnia and It helps me eat a lot more food than I normally could.

Though I have a question. On cycle, I plan not to be taking and ais or anti es, and don't say buy armidex because I wouldn't be able to afford it. I will have some nolva on hand in case I develope gyno, I've read that it is somewhat effective, but can anyone tell me how it would be best to use it during cycle?
I've decided on 50/50/50/50 for my clomid PCT
Thanks
 
Nolva won't do anything to stop gyno once it develops, you need to either prevent it with an AI such as Anastrozole or nuke it with Letrozole for 2 weeks and that still isn't a guarantee. Nolva should be used in conjunction with Clomid for PCT. Using Nolva on cycle will only make you prone to progesterone induced gyno, something that can only be remedied by surgery.
 
nolys said:
Thanks for the reopen guido,
As far as BF goes, I am 100% sure that I have lost bf not gained it, so its at the very most 9.5%, I'm pretty lean already.
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Post a pic of your body so a realistic estimate of your bf% can be given to you. People constantly under-estimate their bf%. There are tons of pro athletes who look really good and are like 15% bf bro.


With what you wrote about your diet, and your degree of understanding (or lack thereof- don't take it personal, I didn't understand the importance of it for years and years.... and missed out on tons of gains for those years and years because of it, not having knowledge of something isn't an insult, I can't speak spanish because I don't understand how, not a personal slight against me). But if I can't speak spanish and people who can speak spanish easily recognize I don't understand spanish and tell me I don't know spanish and I continue to think I speak and understand it OK but in their opinions I have extremely limited understanding... not average as I think..... it's kind of like denial bro.

And if your in denial your not gonna be able to change until you move out of denial and accept that your on a level 2-3 on a scale of 1-10 where 10 is excellent understanding of speaking spanish and guido is like 9-10 and the other guys who talked diet, diet, diet are up there in that range too. Learn from them. They are offering you FREE coaching and critiquing of your diet. Take advantage of their experience and offer to help.

Proper diet is like 85% of bodybuilding (give or take). It is KEY.

Consider using HCG on cycle to keep your nuts and make transition to PCT much easier. It can be found relatively cheaply if you really look around (NO, I will NOT provide any sources, please do not ask). The price can vary GREATLY though, that's all I'm saying. But your cycle will be a waste until you get your diet in check and demonstrate week in and week out you can stick to a rigid proper diet.

Then get your lifting routine critiqued. Get it tweaked/modified after you develop and continue with a proper diet for someone who will be able to make serious gains on cycle because of their diet and their lifting routines, and sleeping routine, and non partying routine.

Then when you do a cycle bang you put on 25 lbs and keep 20 lbs of it after your PCT and also 6 months out rather than putting on 12 lbs with your current diet and loosing 5 lbs in PCT then another 4 over the following 3 months b/c your diet isn't even close to being dialed in.

I'm busting your balls because I hope you can take it so you can get the results you want. I'm on your side giving advice that will help you reach your goals. You have a goal but are over estimating your current ability to reach them. I've been there, done that. As have others. Learn now and save your money and get the body you want in a couple of years or spin your wheels for the next 5 or 10 or whatever. Guido and the others speak from experience. They are not bsing you. Use their offers of help and get the body chicks will be pawing and bed them all if you want. But you need to get that diet dialed in bro.

Let's see a link to a pic of your body to see if it's 9% of 15% or 19%. Ice cream and chocolate don't go with 9% IMHO.
 
Titus said:
Post a pic of your body so a realistic estimate of your bf% can be given to you. People constantly under-estimate their bf%. There are tons of pro athletes who look really good and are like 15% bf bro.


With what you wrote about your diet, and your degree of understanding (or lack thereof- don't take it personal, I didn't understand the importance of it for years and years.... and missed out on tons of gains for those years and years because of it, not having knowledge of something isn't an insult, I can't speak spanish because I don't understand how, not a personal slight against me). But if I can't speak spanish and people who can speak spanish easily recognize I don't understand spanish and tell me I don't know spanish and I continue to think I speak and understand it OK but in their opinions I have extremely limited understanding... not average as I think..... it's kind of like denial bro.

And if your in denial your not gonna be able to change until you move out of denial and accept that your on a level 2-3 on a scale of 1-10 where 10 is excellent understanding of speaking spanish and guido is like 9-10 and the other guys who talked diet, diet, diet are up there in that range too. Learn from them. They are offering you FREE coaching and critiquing of your diet. Take advantage of their experience and offer to help.

Proper diet is like 85% of bodybuilding (give or take). It is KEY.

Consider using HCG on cycle to keep your nuts and make transition to PCT much easier. It can be found relatively cheaply if you really look around (NO, I will NOT provide any sources, please do not ask). The price can vary GREATLY though, that's all I'm saying. But your cycle will be a waste until you get your diet in check and demonstrate week in and week out you can stick to a rigid proper diet.

Then get your lifting routine critiqued. Get it tweaked/modified after you develop and continue with a proper diet for someone who will be able to make serious gains on cycle because of their diet and their lifting routines, and sleeping routine, and non partying routine.

Then when you do a cycle bang you put on 25 lbs and keep 20 lbs of it after your PCT and also 6 months out rather than putting on 12 lbs with your current diet and loosing 5 lbs in PCT then another 4 over the following 3 months b/c your diet isn't even close to being dialed in.

I'm busting your balls because I hope you can take it so you can get the results you want. I'm on your side giving advice that will help you reach your goals. You have a goal but are over estimating your current ability to reach them. I've been there, done that. As have others. Learn now and save your money and get the body you want in a couple of years or spin your wheels for the next 5 or 10 or whatever. Guido and the others speak from experience. They are not bsing you. Use their offers of help and get the body chicks will be pawing and bed them all if you want. But you need to get that diet dialed in bro.

Let's see a link to a pic of your body to see if it's 9% of 15% or 19%. Ice cream and chocolate don't go with 9% IMHO.
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nice post!
 
Great post titus, a lot of nice info there. I have actually decided to postpone my cycle for a while and get shit sorted first.
I agree now after much looking about that my diet will need to be changed a bit before I can continue with this.

As far as bf goes, I was 10% before I started lifting properly, measured by the skin calipar test and I look more lean now than I did then, I have no way of measuring it now though and I use a mobile to navigate the site so I can't post a pic.

But thanks for your input :)
 
nolys said:
Great post titus, a lot of nice info there. I have actually decided to postpone my cycle for a while and get shit sorted first.
I agree now after much looking about that my diet will need to be changed a bit before I can continue with this.

As far as bf goes, I was 10% before I started lifting properly, measured by the skin calipar test and I look more lean now than I did then, I have no way of measuring it now though and I use a mobile to navigate the site so I can't post a pic.

But thanks for your input :)
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Ah... The sign of someone who wants to get the most out of his cycle. I love it. When the time comes you will do good especially with that attitude and desire to learn.
 
-Guido- said:
Ah... The sign of someone who wants to get the most out of his cycle. I love it. When the time comes you will do good especially with that attitude and desire to learn.
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Agreed. Big prop's nolys! Me and a million other pig headed guys spent years spinning our wheels thinking we knew more than we did or looking for shortcuts. Your attitude openness here is a sign that your gonna get the body you want with minimum $ spent and not making the same mistakes over and over!!!
 
to be honest i had to be told by alot of people that my diet needed improving ect and at first i didnt think it was too much bother, but you guys have reeassured me that it needs sorted, so yeah, thanks for that.
guido, can u keep the thread open though because im still gonna keep researching while i get my diet on track. i dont want to have to keep opening numerous threads because i know that cann ammoy people. ill just bump this one in future when i need a question answered
thanks again guys ill keep you updated as the situation developes
thanks :)
 
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