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speed composition?

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help please...
1) what is speed manufactured from?? ive looked around on erowid etc, and cant find synthesis routes. im not trying to make it or anything, id just like to know what im eating. what is the chemical name?
2) what are the chem differences between meth/speed/ice etc. i have seen rock speed (mottley brown, sponge/coral like, quite hard). what is the difference in duration, comedown, neurotoxicity etc between the various agents?
Thanks
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checked out the hive? home of all things synth-y. it's recently moved to here:
https://www.the-hive.ws
and please be polite to the bees, they dont suffer foolss gladly...
 
I couldn't tell you what it is made from, but it doesn't really matter given there would be a number of ways to attack the problem. I'm sure there are common methods of synthesis, however any number of compounds could be used, and it doesn't really make an awful lot of difference where it comes from, because it would be a number of things & it is far from the original compounds by the time it is speed. Be more concerned with what people cut it with.
As for differences; Speed is amphetemine, meth is methamphetemine, a much more potent and powerful version, ice is sometimes known as meth, but is actaully 4ma.
 
so meth is just stronger amphetamine compound?
is there any way to tell if its methamphetamine vs amphetamine (is this what the EZ supreme does??)
BTW: Found out some info in an old Amphetamine FAQ which cleared up some syntheis routes and precursurs.
Some common ones: Drain Cleaner, Hydrochloric acid and Ether! - ive never seen any of these in the five food groups
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Those three chemicals u mentioned are probably used in 90% of all drug syntheses, illicit and otherwise. Some of the most common chemicals worldwide in all industries.
Nothing overly special about them.
This is only a theory but imo E2 MAY (again MAY) be able to distinguish amphetamine and methylamphetamine.
WHY: MDA and MDMA share the same relationship that amphetamine and meth do.
The test differentiates between primary amines (MDA) and secondary amines (MDMA and meth)
MDXX precursors go violet purple with the tester.
My guess is its only the MD part of MDA which is testing positive; its the same violet purple reaction.
Methylamphetamine tests green, (MDMA has a methylamphetamine backbone), so this green result superimposed on purple is a black colour.
My guess is that amphetamine will give NO colour change. The reason E2 does not mention amphetamine, is because no colour change is useless, except when u r COMPARING 2 substances.
So if u have a substance sold as speed, testing orange on EZ and nothing on E2, my guess is amphetamine.
(sorry this could be explained better and in less space, but too rushed)
 
EZ Test Supreme can differentiate between amphetamine and methamphetamine. it will give a blue reaction to meth, but not to amphetamine.
i havent tried this with my Supreme kit yet, only tried it with pills.
 
So EZ supreme and E2 are different testers?
or same tester just different brands?
 
Well for starters a shit + piss may -> a tasty meal and hygenic meal.
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E2 is Mandelin reagent
EZ Test Supreme is (i think) Simon's reagent, but aj wont admit it.
different chemicals, different tests. Supreme actually has two seperate chemicals, that are applied one after the other, before you see a result.
for more details see here.
 
johnboy and others with ez test supreme, could you please do me a favour....anytime you have speed available could you please test it to see if its methylamphetamine or amphetamine? because i still believe speed is methylamphetamine yet others repeatedly say amphetamine. it would be nice to compile the results of a large number of testings so we can finally bring this matter to rest.
thanks. SirLSD
 
1 P2p
2 Ephedrine
3Psuedoephedrine
4 Benzaldehyde
You need one of the above to make any form of amphetamine (except MDxx)just my 20 cents worth (G.S.T) check out The Hive much more comprehensive than my pissed ramblings, Good Luck cobber.
 
Just an extension to the above:
P2P generally needs to be illegally made either from:
propenylbenzene, allylbenzene or
phenylacetic acid.
Ephedrine/pseudoephedrine is for meth; the same lot of reactions on PPA (phenylpropanolamine) will give amphetamine.
PPA is also needed for 4-methylaminorex.
As u can see there r only a few core chemicals a government needs control to try to prevent illegal amphetamine synthesis.
For ones such as pseudoephedrine which is OTC (although becoming increasingly watched) the chemicals essential for the common "easy" reactions such as Red Phosphorus r also heavily guarded.
 
Guys... I brought.. I mean..ME MATE DAVE bought some wizz and it has some serious glass like chunks in it. Now I know wizz can be cut off the rock, but these are BIG chunks that Kinda look like ICE. Should I not worry about this, grind the bastard up and snort it (i mean.. should me MATE DAVE do this?)
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ive seen _very_ similar to wizz to that described above..
long chunks of crystal that appear to be glass.. also in what ive seen are little chunks of white as well..
but from all user reports its good quality, and unlikely the clear bits are ice
 
take out one of the little chunks and drop it in a glass of water. if it doesnt disolve then i wouldnt be snorting it.
also every1 see the first test result with ez supreme said speed is meth
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From somewhere above:
"So EZ supreme and E2 are different testers?"
Yes, these are different test kits manufactured by different companies. For some reason the E2 company choose a name very similar to EZ...
Anyway, I have tested pure methamphetamine with Supreme and it goes fierce orange with EZ Test and beautiful darkblue with Supreme, just like MDMA which indicates that you always MUST test first with a regular EZ (not E2) Test (Marquis).
I also have some DXM which started to bubble when I added Phase1 of Supreme, nothing further happened when I added Supreme Phase2.
I am not sure whether this a good conclusion but this seems that you can now also eliminate MDMA/DXM pillmixtures because MDMA will not bubble when you add Phase1.
aj
 
im guessing crystally bits are probably meth.
ice is expensive and noone will sell u ice as speed, or even cut speed with it.
and yes, if it doesnt dissolve, pls dont have it.
 
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