Stimulants Some questions I have about meth.

[Keebs]

I have read countless pages, threads and books about meth addiction, and since I was about 10 years old I've known that it was considered one of the most addictive drugs out there.

Is it possible to maintain a normal life (work, relationships, stable sober mentality) after trying meth a few times. More specifically, if one were to smoke meth would it be the only thing on their mind for the rest of their lives (like every other person preaches) or are you able to use this drug for rationally for recreation purposes? Say, 1-2 times a month?

Another thing that has me scratching my head, is it possible to keep yourself "yourself" while under the influence of meth? I've seen people smoke meth and they're 100% like they are sober, minus some minor twitching or speaking problems (stuttering, talking about nothing or in circles, or verbalizing inner-secrets) and other times I've seen people smoke meth out of the same bag and they're hardly able to act human; can't talk, stand, look straight, keep quiet/loud, or they start acting mentally unstable (harming oneself, harming other people around them, screaming at inanimate objects, etc.)

Also, along with addiction, how hard is it to keep onto your money once you've started using meth? I've seen people go homeless because they spend their rent money on meth, or people starve their children because getting a 20-sack of crystal is more important to them than buying a few burgers. Along with that I've seen other people live normal lives and do meth regularly, they're reliable, are able to pay their bills, don't steal, don't lie, don't care about their next high unless they have spare money laying around.

I'd like to try meth, as it's been offered to me by several people recently who seem to keep their addiction under control. I grew up to every last person in my family, with the exception of my mother, having a severe addiction to their DOC.. usually meth or heroin. I want to try it, even though I know and understand what a fucked-up drug it can be (second-hand.) I don't want to turn into my father, who has before fought and stabbed people for that next bump.

I've done literally every other drug available in my area, including crack, heroin, and probably 200 different kinds of pills ranging from OxyContin to Ativan to Ambian, back across the table to ecstasy and RC's molded into different shapes. I manage to keep myself out of addiction by telling myself "once it goes this far, I'll stop" (which I do when that drug's all that's on my mind, or I have the urge to steal money or do anything violent or illegal really).


I'm all for harm-reduction, the last thing I want is to go into this blind and end up fucking my life more than it already is. I'm 100% doing this drug, either tomorrow evening or Sunday morning. I'd just rather be somewhat educated on what I know little about than to have things spiral out of control with me destroying everything in my path.

Thanks to whom who've spent the time to read my post, I appreciate all replies but try to keep replies saying "ohh oh, meth is bad--don't even do it!" out of this thread. I understand what I'm getting myself into, I just want answers to my questions and possible advice. Nothing more.

 

[andrewbert]

I won't say "ohh oh, meth is bad" or anything, I'm all for trying anything once. Myself, I've tried smoking crystal meth on a number of occasions and found that it wasn't for me, it was just alright. I can definitely picture myself buying it once or twice a month and not being plagued by cravings for it. I can see how people get hooked on it, the euphoria is pretty intense, but I think if you have your wits about you getting helplessly addicted is easily avoidable; and along with that, you won't be draining your bank account to score more tweak, lose your home, kill your kids, or any of the other stuff you mentioned.

THAT BEING SAID: a powerful substance like this is certainly not for everybody, and I mean no offense to you when I say this, but if you have this much concern over the absolute worst case scenarios of trying the drug, my advice to you would be to stay away from it. Especially given your family's predisposition to addiction. It sounds like you've got a pretty good grip when it comes to this sort of thing if you've managed to try things like heroin and not wind up the way you described, but if you are genuinely worried about all of these things and think you might delve into a life like this, it's probably best just to not try it.

 

[ugly]

Keebs you are a smart cookie. I like the way you handle your shit. I think you could pull it off, but more specifically I think you could pull it off if you avoid the pipe. *and needles that's a given...

I know plenty of people on meth that would not answer this because they are too smart to have drug stuff on their computers.

There are doctors and lawyers and teachers and security officers all on meth at this very moment. My point is that your question about maintaining a normal life won't be answered by the people who use meth and are maintaining a normal life because they don't talk about their usage ever. No one knows that they are using meth and they intend to keep it that way. You would be amazed if you knew.

 

[amapola]

Do you want us to help justify you experimenting with meth? This is the same thread as people who want to try shooting heroin just once which we see more often.

Yes it is possible to only occasionally use meth. Yes it is possible to be a full blown meth addict and still live an otherwise completely normal life. I don't have the percentages of people who it negatively effects, and won't bother guessing, but you have to properly evaluate if this is a risk you want to take. If you ask me there are minimal pros and a huge possible con.

Furthermore just because you are strong of mind or whatever doesn't mean you'll be able to handle it. Remember that absolutely nobody starts off thinking they are going to become a meth addict. It's more akin to smoking cigarettes and getting cancer. Some do and some don't and there are minimal ways to tell in advance besides genetic predisposition.

I just want answers to my questions and possible advice. Nothing more.

The answer to each of your questions is "Yes it is possible, but not fully within your conscious control once you consume meth."

 

[Cloudburst]

I would basically advise, outside of setting limits with frequency/amount/duration/finances, you don't get a steady connect and to use with discretion regarding your limits when offered it. Don't associate it with any specific place, time, circumstance, or state of mind otherwise that desire to get high will turn into a NEED to get high any time you're confronted with those previous aspects to take into consideration... That'll be a step in the wrong direction toward full dependency.

I smoke 2-4 times a month, I never spend any money on it, I don't have a noticeable tolerance, and I do not crave. I did have a period of mild craving that appeared then subsided on its own after a couple weeks. Take that as you will. Regardless, I don't plan on taking it again anytime soon if ever ("ever" being bullshit, now I think about it). However, if I did not abide by those rules, ESPECIALLY with avoiding easy access to it, I would be ROYALLY fucked. And I'm a downer type of guy.

 

[gavatron@oz]

well said

I would basically advise, outside of setting limits with frequency/amount/duration/finances, you don't get a steady connect and to use with discretion regarding your limits when offered it. Don't associate it with any specific place, time, circumstance, or state of mind otherwise that desire to get high will turn into a NEED to get high any time you're confronted with those previous aspects to take into consideration... That'll be a step in the wrong direction toward full dependency.

I smoke 2-4 times a month, I never spend any money on it, I don't have a noticeable tolerance, and I do not crave. I did have a period of mild craving that appeared then subsided on its own after a couple weeks. Take that as you will. Regardless, I don't plan on taking it again anytime soon if ever ("ever" being bullshit, now I think about it). However, if I did not abide by those rules, ESPECIALLY with avoiding easy access to it, I would be ROYALLY fucked. And I'm a downer type of guy.

What cloudburst has posted is absolutely on the mark.im a functioning meth user, am self employed,work 6 days a week...sleep maybe 20-25 hrs a week.thats why not fully functioning.
Not having a regular hook up and not associating the use with any emotion/circumstance. This is where it is taking over into a full blown dependancy. My ability to deal with day to day problems is gone...straight to the pipe.activities that were fun/entertaining are no longer......straight to the pipe.

You seem to be pretty switched on.youve seen first hand what can result from it,and by what i interperate from your post you've already made your mind up. Your just want re assurance,justification.

TREAD CAREFULLY MATE-I WISH I NEVER EVEN HEARD THE WORD METH-thats my opinion.

 

[hobhead]

i have seen so many people that let this toxic shit get the best of them. for me= not with a ten foot pole.

this from a mutt that has been addicted and kicked heroin more than once. never again for that schmuttz as well.

 

[MrRoot]

"I intend to this drug, know what it causes at worst, but still need some horror stories to read" Whats the point in this thread except the social porn aspect?

 

[Silenced]

What is your main reason for wanting to use it? I think this is probably the most important question to decide whether or not it is a good idea for you AND how you will react to the use.

 

[BlueSmoke]

Meth is the one and only drug I will never ever put my hands on again. Some nasty crap indeed. Is there any other drug that is as toxic as meth? Pretty sure not...well maybe pcp or some weird shit, not my area. Ended up in a hospital after a 3day binge on meth. Had hard to breath for a couple of weeks after that, afraid I damaged my lungs permanent or something...only did it Bcuz my cunt at that time liked it..

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Yes, it's possible to use meth responsibly. How many people do it that way? Probably not that many. I know I can do it though, as I have done so in the past, and will again one day.

Is there any other drug that is as toxic as meth? Pretty sure not...

There are *plenty* of more toxic drugs than methamphetamine. You may not have heard of all of them, but MDMA and ethanol are more toxic than methamphetamine. I'm sure you've heard of those two.

 

[Mr. Squiggle!]

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Yes, it's possible to use meth responsibly. How many people do it that way? Probably not that many. I know I can do it though, as I have done so in the past, and will again one day.

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Originally Posted by BlueSmoke View Post
Is there any other drug that is as toxic as meth? Pretty sure not...
There are *plenty* of more toxic drugs than methamphetamine. You may not have heard of all of them, but MDMA and ethanol are more toxic than methamphetamine. I'm sure you've heard of those two.

Don't forget about smoking, alcohol, MDMA, and barbiturates/benzodiazepines.

 

[helltrash]

Methamphetamines have far more negative side effects on both the body and brain then for example MDMA does... and smoking itself may be toxic but the substance nicotine is not even half as destructive as the substance methamphetamine. I personally believe that we cannot really have such a thing as responsibly using drugs because every time that we use a psychoactive substance there is a risk of doing harm to the mind or body. perhaps it would also be best not to look at what is most toxic or most responsible way of using a substance but to look at your personal situation and the consequenses that your drug using has on that situation.

 

[Pharmokinetictal]

there are different kinds of people that take drugs. some do it for the high...and some do it just to experience the high. its a slight difference...but it means a lot when youre evaluating addictive personalities. you sound someone just looking to try something. and if youve tried everything from benzos to heroin....which IMO are the two most addictive drugs.....then doing meth once won't hook you. unless youre looking for a certain kind of relief from life...there is NO such drug that makes you an addict in one day. none. but i will add that despite whatevers been said here...meth IS more neurotoxic than any other drug from a dopamanergic and serotonergic standpoint. it is more toxic than MDMA at equivalent doses. and ethanol is a dirty drug but again...from a 'one time only use' standpoint...meth has the most damaging effects. of course, you wont notice because after only one time....its negligible. but i just wanted to throw in that caveat

 

[zombiesarepeaceful]

I've never done meth, but have had my run with crack and other stims.
I think it depends on the person. For me, crack lasted too shortly, I didn't think about it after the high, had no desire to do it again. While some people day they were hooked from the first hit.
Then I'm prescribed adderall...and have every desire to use it....but that's cause it makes mefeel sane, slowed down..cuz I'm ADHD...much like crack did...but crack is too expensive and doesn't last long.
Honestly I'm more "myself" on stims, but again that's cause they make me normal compared to people without ADHD
Then there's people without ADHD who are normal on stims...I think it depends on one's personal experience with drugs...one who is more experience is prolly less likely to freak out

 

[Up And DOWN]

ok, i was scared of meth before i tried it. i did tons of research and asked users loads of questions. i still felt sketchy, so i asked a girl i liked that used what she thought. "go for it, just don't get addicted" so, i smoked some meth with a friend. for 3-4 months while i was a pretty consistent user i kept my bills paid, kept my job, had a badass girl.

when i stopped though, i had a hard time. i was very scatter brained, and i was trying to replace the high with air duster. lost my job, lost the girl, and obviously couldnt pay my bills. had to move in w/my father.

i think i used it too much, messed up my head for a while. emotions were pretty much shot, i could still get mad though. angry tweakers are scary, i'm sure you know that though. only recently have i been really happy again.

Opinion now, go for it dude. Just don't get hooked.

 

[bumbarash]

How often will be absolutely safe?
let says once per life - 99.9999% safe.
Maybe once or twice per year safe too? Maybe often?

I just take it once, I was very drunk(half litre of vodka) and looking for weed, I didn't find it, but found meth. Dealer told me reasonable price per gram, but didn't told me how many I should take. And give me small plastic bag 1 by 1 sm(0.4 inches) I think it was not 1 gramm, half or even quater.

I smell half and feel something.... than I smell another half and feel fast increasing heat in all body. I can't move half minute. Than I go home. And I remember only how I came to home 6 hours later. Maybe it was meth+vodka.... I going to try it again without vodka. If I will not remember nothing again - it not for me.

I currently smoke hash with my wife every day and some club drugs for clubs only.

 

[Up And DOWN]

How often will be absolutely safe?
let says once per life - 99.9999% safe.
Maybe once or twice per year safe too? Maybe often?

I just take it once, I was very drunk(half litre of vodka) and looking for weed, I didn't find it, but found meth. Dealer told me reasonable price per gram, but didn't told me how many I should take. And give me small plastic bag 1 by 1 sm(0.4 inches) I think it was not 1 gramm, half or even quater.

I smell half and feel something.... than I smell another half and feel fast increasing heat in all body. I can't move half minute. Than I go home. And I remember only how I came to home 6 hours later. Maybe it was meth+vodka.... I going to try it again without vodka. If I will not remember nothing again - it not for me.

I currently smoke hash with my wife every day and some club drugs for clubs only.

Alcohol and stims don't really mix well.

since you've already taken the dive, try it without the vodka for sure.

 

[bumbarash]

And I took it 55 hours ago. Still cannot asleep and looks like somebody shit to my mouth.
maybe it was overdosage?
one santimeter by santimeter plastic bag intranosale.
dealer said one gram.

 

[Up And DOWN]

laydown and close your eyes if you can hold still for long enough. food, water, and sleep should help. brush your teeth, often.