Stimulants Sodium bicarbonate and propylhexedrine (Benzedrex) cottons

[dankoni]

So here's an interesting and novel (I hope) question. Let's say someone were to use the following ingestion method:
1. Cut the white parts of the cotton off.
2. Cut the remaining yellow/brown parts into 6-10 pieces.
3. Stuff the pieces into empty gelcaps and swallow.

So far, so good. No bad taste, lavender burps, or nausea. Here's my question:

1. It's fairly common knowledge that Sodium bicarbonate (baking soda) taken prior to stimulants is a pretty effective potentiator. However, since the cotton is being ingested, rather than an acidic extraction or propylhexedrine powder, would this still hold true? Would basifying your stomach actually hinder the absorption since your stomach / intestines need to "extract" the propylhexedrine from the cotton?

2. Also, is a significant amount of propylhexedrine lost from the cotton while cutting it up into smaller pieces? Would pulling it apart be better, or perhaps leaving the yellow/brown portion of the cotton whole once the completely white portions have been removed?


P.S.
I guess I could avoid these possible problems if I just did a simple extraction, but I think the taste / burps would be worse using a simple lemon juice extraction, since then you have to actually let the menthol and lavender touch your tongue and throat. Am I wrong about that? Of course, a proper extraction to obtain ~pure propylhexedrine powder would avoid ALL of these issues, but I'm not really looking to invest that kind of time and effort for a once in a great while Benzedrex high =P

 

[Serotonin101]

Should work fine as the bicarb just turns the amphetamines into the freebase form if I remember correctly. the free base is more easily absorbed by the body. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

 

[dankoni]

Test in progress. Took cimetidine and three tums prior to ingestion. I'm definitely noticing a slower / smoother come up today, even though dose was increased to 375mg. This tells me my concerns were correct.

Current hypothesis:
1. Basifying stomach / GI might increase the efficiency of the absorption of PPX, but since it is being swallowed in the cotton, an acidic environment is necessary to extract the PPX from the cotton inside the stomach. Like I said in the OP, if we were dealing with PPX that has been extracted from the cotton prior to ingestion, then basifying should have the same results as with nearly any other amphetamine.
2. If swallowing cottons, they should actually be taken with an acidic beverage, but still try to avoid vitamin C.
3. Today's test will most likely make the PPX come on very slowly, but make it last for a much longer time.

Questions:
1. Is there any way to make an acidic environment in your stomach for the process of your stomach / GI extracting the PPX from the cotton, then basify to take advantage of the potentiation?
2. Are the lavender / menthol burps really that bad with a simple lemon juice extraction? I'd prefer to do that over eating the cottons, but want to avoid the taste that I currently avoid by putting the cottons into gelcaps. Is there some way to get the lemon juice extraction into pills or any carrier that will mask the taste?

Again, I'm spending way too much time and effort on this issue, especially when access to "better" amphetamines isn't terribly difficult. Thanks for reading!

 

[dankoni]

Conclusion: Basifying your stomach prior to ingesting cottons is a bad idea. Dose was increased from the day before, but effects were diminished. It seems like, when ingesting the cottons, you need an acidic environment in your stomach to extract the PPX from the cotton, even though the acidic environment will hinder absorption of the PPX.

Next experiment:
1. Take cottons in gelcaps with a good amount of acidic liquid (using cola, as it's very acidic, but has no vitamin C to hinder the PPX)
2. About an hour after ingestion, when the acidic environment has had time to extract the PPX, take some sodium bicarbonate to see if we can get the potentiating benefits, even after starting with the acidic environment.

EDIT:
Conclusion confirmed. Tonight we took cimetidine for the enzyme inhibition, not the acid reducing effects. With cimetidine, even though it does reduce the acid in your stomach, it will not basify the contents of your stomach, as no alkaline substances (sodium bicarbonate, for example) have been introduced to the environment. As with the other times, we put the cottons in gelcaps and took them orally. To replace the stomach acid that might have been affected by the cimetidine, we each chugged a can of Coca-Cola right after the cotton filled gelcaps. The effects tonight are at least as strong as they were the first time, but definitely greater than last night when we actually took more.

To sum up -
1st night - 250mg PPX in cottons, took cimetidine, no antacids, drank coke, and took some calcium carbonate about two hours after ingestion, which I doubt had an effect.
2nd night - 375mg PPX in cottons, took cimetidine, took antacids (generic rolaids), and no acidic drinks. So, this was the basified stomach / GI experiment.
3rd night - 250mg PPX in cottons, took cimetidine, no antacids, chugged coke right after ingestion, and no antacids from this point on.

The effects on the 1st and 3rd night were definitely stronger than the effects on the 2nd night, even though the dose was 50% higher on the 2nd night. The only difference was the antacids and they had a fairly major negative impact on the experience.

In conclusion / tl;dr - If you're eating the cottons, DO NOT basify your stomach prior to ingestion. If anything, you want to have an acidic stomach to help extract the PPX from the cotton.

 

[foolsgold]

does this baking soda trick work with rc like mpa or eph ?

 

[Thorns Have Roses]

Don't eat the cottons, just soak'em in lemon juice for an hour then drink it.

 

[dankoni]

Don't eat the cottons, just soak'em in lemon juice for an hour then drink it.

I would happily do that, if I didn't hear so many horror stories about the taste and nausea. If it's not as bad as some people make it out to be, then that would be perfect. By the method I used of putting the cotton pieces in gelcaps, plus only using the portion of the cotton that contains the PPX... no taste, nausea, or nasty burp issues.

I will try a simple acidic extraction next, but wouldn't lemon juice not be ideal, since it contains vitamin C, which is known to diminish the effects of amphetamines?