I don't really want this to become an introduction thread, but this will be my first post on bluelight. Been hovering around the forum for awhile now, and it seems like this would be the best place for me to have this conversation. I'm a heroin addict, first and foremost. I also love the crystal. IV both, usually at the same time. In the last few months however, I've found that when I IV meth I lose my mind.. I mean, literally. I have been told that I sit there and have conversations with myself, in different voices. I will be alone in my apartment, but will see and interact with people that are not there. Usually people that I know. I hear voices, like two or three people having a conversation in the next room or something. I was so bad one time that I was walking around a deserted building for a few hours in the middle of the night.. Only, in my mind, it was mid-afternoon and I was with a large group of people. That was the most vivid hallucination I have ever had, besides the people that aren't really there that are in my apartment with me. I don't understand. Crystal never used to do this to me. I am a long-term IV user, and this combination of drugs is not new to me. The hallucinations and the voices are relatively new, however. Is this what real meth-amphetamine psychosis consists of? I have been doing alot of reading around this subject and havent been able to find a whole hell of a lot. I figured maybe a few of you guys here would have some personal experience with this and could offer a few insights.. Thanks.
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Stimulants So when I shoot meth...
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yes indeed. you've hit that point after presumably a lot of heavy use. it won't go away. maybe try smoking less...if you can control yourself...but i'd say you're better off quitting before you go into a psychotic episode and never come out.
Tryptamino
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ummm im pretty sure stimulant psychosis is not always permanent, because i was in a psych ward for a week after having really bad cocaine psychosis, however, ive heard that most tweakers will have experienced amphetamine psychosis at some point in their addiction, but will recover with abstinence and nourishment (sleep, food, vitamins, and possibly thorazine), just like with coke. I've never experienced any full-on psychosis with amps, although i've seen some pretty vivid shadow people and had some slight delerium when I'd been awake for a while on meth.
@OP: every amp/coke user comes to the point where they cant use without becoming paychotic. even I have started noticing that the shadow people are arriving earlier than usual, and thus i've been taking precautions (or rather extra precautions) regarding my use, and now, even when i get the hallucinations, I never get any psychotic reactions. However, I can never experience a true, euphoric meth high without getting a little paranoid, delusional, and manic, so I dose low and as infrequently as possible.
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tricomb
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Stimulant psychosis is not always permanent, that's usually only seen after extensive prolonged abuse.
Where Wolf?
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Yes, it sounds like amphetamine psychosis, and yes, I've been there - it's rarely permanent if you quit and leave it a long, long time before you risk trying stimulants again, if at all (you may not want to). But stop shooting meth now, or you may end up doing something more dangerous than talking to the shadow people: the H should ease any meth withdrawals. I found after qutting a speed habit that had become unpleasant - more paranoia and time in the shadows than euphoria - and chilling out with booze, weed, and a few downers for a while, I felt an active aversion to the thought of using speed. I've used once or twice in the years since, but never habitually. Anyway, I'd strongly advise quitting the meth now, as you still have the perspective to see you're on the brink of losing it: that'll go fast if you keep using, and meth in particular can cause permanent psychosis if used for long enough.
Good luck. Try not to increase your opiate use to deal with meth cravings, and get as many vitamins in you as you can.
Good luck. Try not to increase your opiate use to deal with meth cravings, and get as many vitamins in you as you can.
Tryptamino
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IME, smoking a lot of weed to the point of being a full on stoner keeps stimulant cravings away. but if 2 days pass without weed, I get gnarly cravings.
Captain.Heroin
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I would stop using methamphetamine all together if psychotic symptoms appear.
modelskinny
Bluelighter
Agreed.
I think that he meant that he has reached the point that whenever he uses heavily he will experience this. So becoming psychotic after taking high doses of amphetamine may now be a permanent side effect for the OP, but not being psychotic without taking any more drugs (although I wouldn't push it).
Tryptamino
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Ah. Well, still, I think OP must stop using meth, my recommended method of doing so being cannabis, which I know from years of experience will kill cravings for stimulants, but it's not a permanent fix. Simply stopping using a stimulant altogether is extremely difficult, and meth in particular makes most addicts continue to crave long after their last use, unlike most other stimulants, like cocaine, which makes you crave and withdraw (IME, coke has WDs) for about 2-4 weeks, and then there isn't much craving beyond that, although that was just my own experience.
Not experienced with meth addiction, (but i use relatively infrequently) but i know the feeling of craving something (cocaine) that you know will just make you psychotic instead of getting you high.
Captain.Heroin
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^ never went through cravings from coming off meth. It was really, really easy compared to quitting heroin. I was using every day, only taking a day off once each week/each two weeks, and I did this for at least 6 months before quitting without tapering. I just slept in a lot for a few days, ate a bunch and that was it. I didn't even gain the weight back.
Hiltoniano
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^well some people who's DOC is meth would likely have a much harder time quitting than you. Probably less difficulty than quitting heroin, but ime, after 4 months of semi-frequent use of meth, it was difficult to quit and I only did so because I had to return to uni.
This is exactly what I meant. This is only something I experience while I'm high, never when I am sober. The more I think about it, the more correlation I see between IV and psychosis. I've been doing crystal for a long time; the first ten years or so of use I would only smoke, snort or eat it. Only in the last couple years have I started to IV (the meth, at least. H and my veins have been good friends for a much longer amount of time). So, my next question: Can this be psychosis eventually start to continue for periods of time after I have come down and am sober again? If so, will those periods of time eventually increase in duration until a permanent condition exists?
I know that some of that has been addressed, but I ask for specificity's sake. As for quitting, well.. There's alot of factors involved there. Quitting the ice would be a lot easier than quitting the tar.. Or maybe it's the speedballs that I should quit doing. Hell, I don't know. If I did know, I would have quit a long time ago before my life became the shambles that it is.
Anyway, yah. No pity-party. Just looking for a bit of info regarding this subject and a place to carry out this conversation with some like-minded people. Love this forum.
Znegative
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My IV experience (actually my experience in general) with meth is much more limited than IV cocaine (which has been a habit I've struggled with since I was 19, so five years now), but I know from shooting coke as well as long shooting binges of MDPV, that stimulant psychosis is very real, and will not go away (regardless of the ROA) unless you take a very long break.
I had experienced psychosis before, but after almost ten days of constant PV injections and no sleep, I completely broke through the threshold of reality, and was suffering from full blown audio/visual hallucinations. It was terrifying. After this episode, I would begin to hallucinate immediately if I took any stimulants. I remember that even 30mg of Adderall would give me vivid visual hallucinations where I would see this man cloaked in shadows standing behind me in my peripheral vision.
However, I stopped using everything but suboxone and a low dose of clonazepam for four months after I caught MRSA (from shooting coke with dirty works), and ever since I haven't suffered any hallucinations of any kind. However, despite a brief period where I fell into IV meth/coke, I now use Adderall/Vyvanse/dextrostat EXCLUSIVELY, and I never go on binges or raise my dosage above 45mg/day (for the Adderall and Dextrostat, 70mg for lisdexamphetamine).
Also, many experience audio/visual hallucinations on heroin as well.
I had experienced psychosis before, but after almost ten days of constant PV injections and no sleep, I completely broke through the threshold of reality, and was suffering from full blown audio/visual hallucinations. It was terrifying. After this episode, I would begin to hallucinate immediately if I took any stimulants. I remember that even 30mg of Adderall would give me vivid visual hallucinations where I would see this man cloaked in shadows standing behind me in my peripheral vision.
However, I stopped using everything but suboxone and a low dose of clonazepam for four months after I caught MRSA (from shooting coke with dirty works), and ever since I haven't suffered any hallucinations of any kind. However, despite a brief period where I fell into IV meth/coke, I now use Adderall/Vyvanse/dextrostat EXCLUSIVELY, and I never go on binges or raise my dosage above 45mg/day (for the Adderall and Dextrostat, 70mg for lisdexamphetamine).
Also, many experience audio/visual hallucinations on heroin as well.