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So piracetam works great to potentiate mdma, what about oxiracetame and aniracetam?

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there are alot reports of ppl taking piracetam with MDMA or other drugs, there also are reports of aniracetam and oxiracetam being better nootropics then piracetam

i am looking for any experiences on this ones with X or other recreational drugs
 
I've tried piracetam, aniracetam, and nefiracetam, and they all potentiate MDXX and diminish the comedown :)
 
^^^OK, I'm a gonna get this off my chest. Obviously one can use google. One can use google for pretty much any question they would consider posting here in ED, or in most other forums on here for that matter. So really if one was smart and just used google this forum would become rather obsolete.

But I didn't use google, I asked here, so if your going to bother posting something, why not give me an answer instead of telling me something obvious in what I can only assume, given the short-comings of e-communication, is a condescending way.

It's been a long day....
 
take pira bout half to an hour TOPS.......make it a strong dose like 2400-3600
wanna give it some time to kick in before u pop

personally i like it cause i feel like a clearer stronger roll
 
I'm gonna back Lev up on this; Aniracetam is a bit to intense and puts you in la la land when mixed with E, although it is great with herb. Ani. is fat soluable versus pir. which is water. Ani is much much more potent and lasts a lot longer. I have found the strongest effects to be when I take an aniracetam in the morning then a puff maybe 10 hours later after work.
With mdma, though, probably better to stick with the piracetam.

- gluck
 
Newbierock said:
One uses google.
huh? you can find ALOT stuff on google, but i have never found this answer on google!
@Hewhomustnotbenamed
i did use google and its impossible to find;)

i know you need to take it a few weeks to get the nootropic effects, but do you need to take it a few weeks to potentiate e? thats what i like too know too
does it also work when you take them at the same time?

@5-HT2
can you tell a litle more please? like was it too intense with lev? how differently did they potentiate e? was there a difference in reducing comedown between them?

also, what is way too intense? does it cause visuals? doesnt that feel great?


how does ani potiante herb? how long does it extend the duration, wonna know that sort of things, gonna make a big guide with tricks and stuff

thx guys!
 
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MeDieViL said:
huh? you can find ALOT stuff on google, but i have never found this answer on google!
@Hewhomustnotbenamed
i did use google and its impossible to find;)

i know you need to take it a few weeks to get the nootropic effects, but do you need to take it a few weeks to potentiate e? thats what i like too know too
does it also work when you take them at the same time?

@5-HT2
can you tell a litle more please? like was it too intense with lev? how differently did they potentiate e? was there a difference in reducing comedown between them?

also, what is way too intense? does it cause visuals? doesnt that feel great?


how does ani potiante herb? how long does it extend the duration, wonna know that sort of things, gonna make a big guide with tricks and stuff

thx guys!

heres my experiences. Piracetam does indeed potentiate mdma, but only the stim effect, so you feel a litltle bit nicer, but the lovey dovey and visual effects tend to be diminished.
if you have been taking it for a few weeks before the potentiating is a bit more aswell.

as for aniracetam, did 3g last time i did e, no booz, no food for 4 hours, some anti oxidants etc.
ok well let me put it this way.
i HAD A FREAKING BLAST.
everythig, i was speedy, euphoric, music sounded extra nice(but then again it was desyn masiell, Omid and 16B spinning so...) eye wiggles, slurry speech, constantly dancing. the whole lot of an average pill.(white apple mac)

lotsa booze and K afterwards, and the night ended.
hangover next day, but thats probably the booz since i havent drank in a long time before that and my tolerance was low :-)

p.s. you HAVE to supplement with at least 500mg choline with each dose, otherwise its headache land for you,.
 
There are further complications to overcome if any bid to replicate and sustain full-spectrum E-like consciousness is to succeed. MDMA triggers the release of the neurotransmitter acetylcholine via a histaminergic H1 mechanism. MDMA is also a weak agonist of the acetylcholine muscarinic M1 receptors. MDMA's modest cholinergic activity may contribute to the exquisite lucidity of consciousness characteristic of pure MDMA taken in a therapeutic setting. For the cholinergic system is vital to memory, higher thought-processes and verbal fluency. Cholinergics such as piracetam (Nootropil) are used as nootropics or "smart drugs"; and acetylcholinesterase inhibitors like galantamine (Reminyl), rivastigmine (Exelon), tacrine (Cognex) and donepezil (Aricept) are used as palliative treatments of Alzheimer's disease. Acetylcholine-release and muscarinic receptor activation probably play no direct role in the rewarding hedonic effects of MDMA. Yet their subtle contribution to the texture of the magic can't be discounted. "Dumb-drug" antimuscarinic agents commonly induce mild euphoria via their indirect enhancement of dopamine function. Their mood-brightening effect stands in contrast to many cholinergic (e.g. muscarinic M4 receptor) agonists and cholinesterase inhibitors which have a tendency to subdue mood. A wide range of cholinergics is now under development for the palliative treatment of Alzheimer's disease, a progressive neurodegenerative disorder characterised by profound cholinergic deficits. Some depressives, however, may actually benefit from the antimuscarinic anticholinergic effects that more intellectually fastidious clinicians would call an adverse side-effect of the older tricyclics. While a great many depressed people report intellectual sluggishness and poverty of thought, other melancholic and introspective depressives endure "hypercholinergic frenzy", possibly owing to dysregulation of the cholinergic-adrenergic axis. Sadly, innumerable depressives among life's walking wounded today find the examined life scarcely worth living: they cope with life only by "just getting on with it". By contrast, MDMA allows introspection to become insightful and enjoyable even to the naturally angst-ridden. On MDMA, both philosophising and emotional self-honesty can be illuminating and fun. It's a shame that such self-insight can't more readily be prolonged.

Another enigma is the role of DHEA. MDMA causes a rise in the adrenal corticosteroid dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA). DHEA is the precursor to testosterone, progesterone, estradiol and other steroids. The rise and peak physiological values of DHEA between around 1 to 2½ hours post-MDMA administration is correlated with user-reported euphoria, though DHEA's precise contribution to the mood-elevation is unclear. In general, levels of DHEA decline with age after early adulthood. Long-term supplementation with DHEA seems to have beneficial effect on libido, immune function and some forms of cognition. However, in spite of a wealth of research, no firm conclusions have yet been reached on the advisability of taking DHEA supplements, or an optimal dosage if taken. Nor is it known what role enhanced DHEA might play in sustaining enriched quality of life over the longer term. Taken on its own, DHEA may brighten mood; but it's scarcely an E-like effect.

One unwanted effect of MDMA, especially when taken at higher doses, is its tendency inhibit to tryptophan hydroxylase by triggering a rapid oxidation of the enzyme's sulphydryl sites. Tryptophan hydroxylase is the rate-limiting enzyme in serotonin synthesis. Even though the acute functional loss of tryptophan hydroxylase in the cell terminal is reversible, the axon's vulnerability to oxidative stress is increased. In order sustainably to enhance our capacity for empathetic bliss, and certainly to prevent any functional serotonergic deficit, tryptophan hydroxylase function must be enhanced, not inhibited. However, to date no stimulator (or inhibitor) of the biosynthesis of serotonin has been commercially marketed. Interestingly, the use of interventions to increase the biosynthesis of serotonin prior to MDMA use tends to trigger an increased synaptic release of dopamine, thereby enhancing the user's euphoria. Unfortunately, increased serotonin synthesis also aggravates post-E neurotoxicity. The two mechanisms are separable in principle. In the meantime, restraint is prudent.

http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache...0+2D6+piracetam+mdma&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us

If that makes any sense. So this speculates nootropics do not contribute significantly to the major euphoria... but who knows. We'll try it. By other accounts there is some sort of potentiating effect. Alternatively, pre-loading 5-htp should be done with restraint?

There actually is a lot of info out there but it is inconclusive and extremely challenging to interpret.
 
I haven't noticed anything too interesting in combining piracetam, oxi or ani with MDMA. It helps with the comedown and makes the experience a bit more clear.

Although one interesting experience was with pills that were suspected K bombs I was up and dancing hard all night while everyone else was sitting around like zombies, the difference was I was on 1g Piractam, 1g Oxiractem, 500mg aniracetam, 500mg choline and 500mg of Alpha GPC. It was a weird experience, kinda like a dxm sigma experience where you still feel incredibly weird but are no longer physically dissociated from the real world.
 
I posted this in another thread, but thought I would include it in this thread as well since this thread is regarding piracetam


A couple months ago I read about piracetam here on BL. I ordered some and was following the basic dosing guidelines (this was a few weeks before I was planning to roll). After one week, I found myself being very edgy- easily angered and a general hostile pissed off attitude about everything. Which is completely opposite of my normal disposition. And the only change was the piracetam in my diet. So I discontinued it and my disposition quickly returned to normal.

Was it the piracetam? I tend to believe so. I have no proof other than my own feelings.

But as is stated so often around here- drugs affect people differently. In this case, I feel the piracetam affect ME in a negative way.
 
@rogan
that wasnt any k, as piracetam cancels k's effects
I don't want to go off topic but I do think it was K, as Lev said they don't completely cancel. Hence "It was a weird experience, kinda like a dxm sigma experience where you still feel incredibly weird but are no longer physically dissociated from the real world."
 
motorcyclist said:
I posted this in another thread, but thought I would include it in this thread as well since this thread is regarding piracetam


A couple months ago I read about piracetam here on BL. I ordered some and was following the basic dosing guidelines (this was a few weeks before I was planning to roll). After one week, I found myself being very edgy- easily angered and a general hostile pissed off attitude about everything. Which is completely opposite of my normal disposition. And the only change was the piracetam in my diet. So I discontinued it and my disposition quickly returned to normal.

Was it the piracetam? I tend to believe so. I have no proof other than my own feelings.

But as is stated so often around here- drugs affect people differently. In this case, I feel the piracetam affect ME in a negative way.

these are common side effects when taking piracetam(doses 2.4g and over daily) without 200-400mg choline.

were you taking choline too?
 
rogan said:
I don't want to go off topic but I do think it was K, as Lev said they don't completely cancel. Hence "It was a weird experience, kinda like a dxm sigma experience where you still feel incredibly weird but are no longer physically dissociated from the real world."

i gotta agree now that i think about it.

K on nefiracetam at least was more dancy than sit down and trip thing.

its cool too, you would feel ultra coordinated, but to others you are just dancing in slomo :-)
 
covalent said:
There are further complications to overcome if any bid to replicate and sustain full-spectrum E-like consciousness is to succeed. MDMA triggers the release of the neurotransmitter acetylcholine via a histaminergic H1 mechanism. MDMA is also a weak agonist of the acetylcholine muscarinic M1 receptors. MDMA's modest cholinergic activity may contribute to the exquisite lucidity of consciousness characteristic of pure MDMA taken in a therapeutic setting. For the cholinergic system is vital to memory, higher thought-processes and verbal fluency. Cholinergics such as piracetam (Nootropil) are used as nootropics or "smart drugs"; and acetylcholinesterase inhibitors like galantamine (Reminyl), rivastigmine (Exelon), tacrine (Cognex) and donepezil (Aricept) are used as palliative treatments of Alzheimer's disease. Acetylcholine-release and muscarinic receptor activation probably play no direct role in the rewarding hedonic effects of MDMA. Yet their subtle contribution to the texture of the magic can't be discounted. "Dumb-drug" antimuscarinic agents commonly induce mild euphoria via their indirect enhancement of dopamine function. Their mood-brightening effect stands in contrast to many cholinergic (e.g. muscarinic M4 receptor) agonists and cholinesterase inhibitors which have a tendency to subdue mood. A wide range of cholinergics is now under development for the palliative treatment of Alzheimer's disease, a progressive neurodegenerative disorder characterised by profound cholinergic deficits. Some depressives, however, may actually benefit from the antimuscarinic anticholinergic effects that more intellectually fastidious clinicians would call an adverse side-effect of the older tricyclics. While a great many depressed people report intellectual sluggishness and poverty of thought, other melancholic and introspective depressives endure "hypercholinergic frenzy", possibly owing to dysregulation of the cholinergic-adrenergic axis. Sadly, innumerable depressives among life's walking wounded today find the examined life scarcely worth living: they cope with life only by "just getting on with it". By contrast, MDMA allows introspection to become insightful and enjoyable even to the naturally angst-ridden. On MDMA, both philosophising and emotional self-honesty can be illuminating and fun. It's a shame that such self-insight can't more readily be prolonged.

Another enigma is the role of DHEA. MDMA causes a rise in the adrenal corticosteroid dehydroepiandrosterone (DHEA). DHEA is the precursor to testosterone, progesterone, estradiol and other steroids. The rise and peak physiological values of DHEA between around 1 to 2½ hours post-MDMA administration is correlated with user-reported euphoria, though DHEA's precise contribution to the mood-elevation is unclear. In general, levels of DHEA decline with age after early adulthood. Long-term supplementation with DHEA seems to have beneficial effect on libido, immune function and some forms of cognition. However, in spite of a wealth of research, no firm conclusions have yet been reached on the advisability of taking DHEA supplements, or an optimal dosage if taken. Nor is it known what role enhanced DHEA might play in sustaining enriched quality of life over the longer term. Taken on its own, DHEA may brighten mood; but it's scarcely an E-like effect.

One unwanted effect of MDMA, especially when taken at higher doses, is its tendency inhibit to tryptophan hydroxylase by triggering a rapid oxidation of the enzyme's sulphydryl sites. Tryptophan hydroxylase is the rate-limiting enzyme in serotonin synthesis. Even though the acute functional loss of tryptophan hydroxylase in the cell terminal is reversible, the axon's vulnerability to oxidative stress is increased. In order sustainably to enhance our capacity for empathetic bliss, and certainly to prevent any functional serotonergic deficit, tryptophan hydroxylase function must be enhanced, not inhibited. However, to date no stimulator (or inhibitor) of the biosynthesis of serotonin has been commercially marketed. Interestingly, the use of interventions to increase the biosynthesis of serotonin prior to MDMA use tends to trigger an increased synaptic release of dopamine, thereby enhancing the user's euphoria. Unfortunately, increased serotonin synthesis also aggravates post-E neurotoxicity. The two mechanisms are separable in principle. In the meantime, restraint is prudent.

http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache...0+2D6+piracetam+mdma&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=2&gl=us

If that makes any sense. So this speculates nootropics do not contribute significantly to the major euphoria... but who knows. We'll try it. By other accounts there is some sort of potentiating effect. Alternatively, pre-loading 5-htp should be done with restraint?

There actually is a lot of info out there but it is inconclusive and extremely challenging to interpret.

nice post!

5-htp pre loading pretty much mellows it out for almost everyone.
im also considering that the choline dose in synergy with piracetam mayb also be important in the potetiating effect.

i use to do 100mg 5-htp and anti oxidant in between pills in ibiza and that was the bomb. the comedown was much easier too. but it doesnt put you in the i wanna dance till the afternoon straight mood.
 
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