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Smoking San Pedro?

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HAHA420

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Alright i have searched erowid and searched here on bluelight but unfortunately could not find anything on the subject of smoking san pedro cactus. i know you can smoke peyote and have been the past few nights, so i was wondering if other mescaline containing cactus can also be dried and smoked in the same manner? i know everyone is going to be telling me to just eat the cactus material but i am actually not looking for a major psychedelic experience, i just really enjoyed how relaxing and entertaining smoked peyote was.

i apologize if this is a repeated or dumb question, but any input would be greatly appreciated.
 
Most Pedro only contains a fraction of the alkaloids that Peyote does. Not just the percentage (Peyote is 2-5% while Pedro is FAR less), but the diversity (Peyote has over 50 alkaloids, Pedro a dozen).

I really don't know but the likelihood is that you cannot smoke enough Pedro to experience anything beyond toxic smoke inhalation. Definitely report back if you try.

I'd also love to hear more about your smoked peyote experiences. Let's assume you know 100% that it is authentic, what dosages yeild what effects?
 
My friend is a native american whose tribe is legally allowed to possess and consume peyote in the US, so i can vouch for it being authentic dried peyote.

The first time i ever tried it i mixed it in with some marijuana and smoked it out of my PH(X) glass bong and just after only one bowl it gave pretty pronounced effects over just marijuana. It definitely gave a psychedelic over-feel with much color enhancement and just a "different" head change that made for a very enjoyable night. Just the other night we mixed it in with some marijuana but smoked it out of a pipe, and this time you could really taste the difference with peyote mixed in. We were playing guitar hero (the video game) and had smoked six bowls of the mixture, and it was around the third bowl that it was getting noticeably harder to keep up with the game as the bowls went. This time smoking peyote had the same effects from my first experience but were greatly magnified but still remained a very relaxing and enjoyable experience.
 
i've smoked san pedro on numerous occassion with very noticable results. more clear-headed than when eating the cactus, but still quite noticable. slightly shorter than when eating it as well, which makes sense seeing as though smoking processes products much faster than when eating. i've smoked it at night, then went to bed to wake up still clear-headed and good feeling.
 
It can't be the mescaline you're feeling, maybe it's just inhaling smoke coupled with placebo.
 
From my understanding at least the mescaline concentration of the dried outer skin of san pedro is of comparable potency to the dried peyote buttons that are available now (that are supposedly much less potent than years ago on account of growing demand and dwindling supply causing the harvest of young buttons). From what I understand the price of peyote has gone from like 7 cents a button to between 70 cents and a dollar a button and the size , age and potency of the button have diminished.

The commercially available dried outer skin of san pedro supposedly is between 1-2% alks.

Also, a report of smokeing somewhat pure mescaline (not dirty sanchez) extracted from pedro found that the results where much enhanced as a booster when already on mescaline than straight. Smokeing pure mescaline is said to work though.

It is possible he's getting an effect but I think it's most likely placebo and weed.
 
People keep talking about placebo as if native americans havent been smoking peyote for spiritual purposes for generations. Before you continue to shoot the notion down, who else here as actually smoked peyote? It seems like theres only two people in this entire thread have actually tried smoking mescaline containing cactus and have reported noticeably similar effects from doing so, and yet everyone who hasnt thinks it was placebo making the walls crawl around me 8(

anyways i went onto erowid to see if they would have a comparison of potency between various cacti and found this:

species %age fresh %age dry citation
peyote ? 1-6% (rarely >1% ) XXX
pachanoi 0.12% 2% CF
peruvianus 0.05%* 0.82% P&M
peruvianus >0.0005% >0.01%* Ag
pachanoi 0.02%* 0.331% C&M
pachanoi 0.02%* 0.357% T&H
pachanoi 0.006%*-0.14%* 0.1-2.375% H&B

i know the amount of mescaline is very variable but doesnt this give the possibility that could actually be enough mescaline in other cacti comparable to peyote to where you could also smoke and get some psychedelic effect?
 
i know someone who has smoked it, and they reported similar effects to yours. when you hit the pipe afterwords (we smoked out of it later) you could definatly taste the bitterness
 
HA, if you report effects of something like smoking peyote yet mix it with marijuana folks are gonna question your judgement. I mean if you look there are reports of smokeing tons of substances with marijuana that reportedly change the effect yet when tested I feel nothing by itself. Amanita muscaria and morning glory seeds are two such substances.

If peyote is active when smoked then you are most likely getting effects from something other than mescaline. I mean, if your peyote is 2% alkaloids you're looking at smokeing 5 grams of material for 100 mgs alks. Certainly with over 50 different alkaloids anything is possible but so is wishful thinking from a bud buzz. No one is calling you a lier we're just pointing out that the placebo effect, which has been demonstrated in thousands of studies to be a real effect could be at work in this situation.

One way to verify would be to send out a little peyote to others to smoke...

Also, native americans smoke many different substances for many different reasons, psychoactivity being a minor one.

Also, if I were describeing the effect of smokeing peyote and it made the walls crawl, I'd have mentioned it rather than just "color enhancement and a different head feel" which really sound like effects in the gray area of placebo.
 
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mescaline itself is a very hardy molecule. its common knowledge that mescaline can handle heat better than many other traditional psychedelics, hence the popularity of teas which are boiled for some time. LSD and Psilocybin mushrooms degrade extremely fast in heat, an open flame willl destroy them almost-instantly. Mescaline (not just the cactus, C11H17NO3) on the other hand, degrades in heat but is not destroyed anywhere near as fast as lsd or psilocybin. smoking anything makes it metabolize much faster, so if you consider that some amount of the mescaline can survive the moment of flame contact, then its not unreasonable to consider that a noticable mescaline-high could be felt from a few hits. especially if using a green-skin powder as i did, as opposed to a whole-cactus powder.

i respect the skepticism, and am aware that placebos are a real occurance. but out of the ~10 people i know who smoked some, not one was skeptical of an effect. and a lot of these people were doubting the experience before trying it.
 
thoughtsUnThought said:
mescaline itself is a very hardy molecule. its common knowledge that mescaline can handle heat better than many other traditional psychedelics, hence the popularity of teas which are boiled for some time. LSD and Psilocybin mushrooms degrade extremely fast in heat, an open flame willl destroy them almost-instantly. Mescaline (not just the cactus, C11H17NO3) on the other hand, degrades in heat but is not destroyed anywhere near as fast as lsd or psilocybin. smoking anything makes it metabolize much faster, so if you consider that some amount of the mescaline can survive the moment of flame contact, then its not unreasonable to consider that a noticable mescaline-high could be felt from a few hits. especially if using a green-skin powder as i did, as opposed to a whole-cactus powder.

i respect the skepticism, and am aware that placebos are a real occurance. but out of the ~10 people i know who smoked some, not one was skeptical of an effect. and a lot of these people were doubting the experience before trying it.
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what form of mescaline containing cactus did you use to make the green-skin powder? peyote?
 
i purchased a prepared form of san pedro green skin incense from an online peruvian export company. i've never prepared my own powder, or tried a whole-cactus powder, but the sacrament i purchased was significantly potent.
 
HAHA420 said:
People keep talking about placebo as if native americans havent been smoking peyote for spiritual purposes for generations. Before you continue to shoot the notion down, who else here as actually smoked peyote? It seems like theres only two people in this entire thread have actually tried smoking mescaline containing cactus and have reported noticeably similar effects from doing so, and yet everyone who hasnt thinks it was placebo making the walls crawl around me 8(

anyways i went onto erowid to see if they would have a comparison of potency between various cacti and found this:

species %age fresh %age dry citation
peyote ? 1-6% (rarely >1% ) XXX
pachanoi 0.12% 2% CF
peruvianus 0.05%* 0.82% P&M
peruvianus >0.0005% >0.01%* Ag
pachanoi 0.02%* 0.331% C&M
pachanoi 0.02%* 0.357% T&H
pachanoi 0.006%*-0.14%* 0.1-2.375% H&B
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Where did you get the info that native americans smoke peyote from? Was it Carlos Castenada? He made it up - he didn't know anything about peyote and so assumed it was like marijuana and you had to smoke it. When Wasson challenged him and said "no native american in history has ever smoked peyote" castanada refused to reply.
 
What if I put peyote in my vaporizer?
It's starting to sound more hopeful then I had originally expected.. I assumed along the lines of mushrooms that smoking it would be useless.. but the low temp control and hardiness of mescaline inspires me to believe.
 
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Yeah I used to smoke San Pedro and Peruvian Torch every day. It works, you just have to smoke a fairly large amount of the bright green part just under the clear skin. It won't give you a full blown mescaline trip, but I've done it to the point of getting OEVs and CEVs many times.
 
^In the name of harm reduction, you should stop.

It's very difficult to imagine smoking produces anything but placebo effects and perhaps carbon monoxide poisoning. Just do the math. Lets say that you're only smoking the dried green flesh. Orally, you need upwards of 40 grams to get a solid trip this way. So, even if we assume smoking is a profoundly more bioavailable ROA than oral - let's say 8Xs more - that's still at least 5 grams of damned plant matter you would need to smoke to get a decent trip. Hell, I don't think I'd want to try vaporizing a few hundred milligrams of pure mescaline since even that much material is guaranteed to be harsh.
 
If you are going to try it, I think the best bet for actually getting results is doing an extraction and smoking that. Mescaline is impotent (you need like 250mg orally to trip) and not highly concentrated in San Pedro.
 
Probably should have made it into freebase form first, but out of curiosity one of the guys I knew at college tried to smoke 80 mg of mescaline acetate. He claimed to feel mild effects from it, a sort of sharpening of the senses and slight bit of that nicer way of seeing things that you get while tripping, brighter colors, everything is crisper, etc. He described a nice feeling after smoking, but said mostly the results were not very noticeable unless you were looking for them.
 
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