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Harm Reduction sleeping aids

mydrugbuddy

mydrugbuddy

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as UK GPs wont hand out more than one pack of zopiclone, and that's if you're very lucky what are us insomniacs to do.

I need 3 x 7.5 zopliclones

benzos dont work (ive wrecked their hypnotic properies by over indulging

diphenhydramine - i need 3 full strength ones for any effect

chlorpromazine - yes it is an anti psycotic. But initially its an extremely effective sleep aid. Tolearnace grows alarmingly fast.

ive gone from 12,5 mg, to 25, to 50 over the course of a week. Dont really wanna be going down a rocky road with this one.

Id better make tonight my last night on them for a while.

Any other suggestions ?
 
Promethazine might be an option; it's a first-generation antihistamine and neuroleptic. It's very sedating and probably the best choice taking into consideration everything you've already tried. Hydroxyzine and doxylamine succinate are also sedative antihistamines that are commonly used for insomnia.

Honestly though, if neither benzos, antipsychotics, nor Z-drugs are working, I doubt anything else will give you the knockout effect you're looking for. You definitely do need to take a break to allow your normal sleep cycles/circadian rhythm to recalibrate. Such use of tranquilizer/hypnotics results in shit quality sleep even when they are working properly.

It might not be a bad idea to consider seeing a sleep specialist too if you are dealing with genuine insomnia, and are not simply experiencing the rebound effects of the sleep aids you've been using. Either way, it's important to get back to baseline so that you can accurately gauge the degree of your insomnia, and by doing so it is likely you'll find that you don't need to take any kind of sedative regularly for sleep.
 
Seroquel (quetiapine) and trazodone are very popular and effective sleep aids in the US. Both are non-scheduled prescription drugs. Trazodone has basically no abuse potential, whereas Seroquel has occasionally been abused, especially in prisons.

Trazodone is a strange antidepressant. It is fairly safe, although it can cause priapism, which is a long-lasting and dangerous erection.

Seroquel is an atypical antipsychotic. It is less safe than trazodone, there is a risk of extrapyramidal side effects and tardive dyskinesia. Promethazine and chlorpromazine also have these risks. Seroquel is generally regarded as more sedating than typical (classical) antipsychotics such as chlorpromazine.

Have you tried melatonin? That is available over-the-counter and is very safe.
 
Benzos work short term (hard exam tomorrow? sure take one). Long term not really. Only thing that worked for me for a few years was ghb, but since it's illegal...
 
I've had huge amounts of success with zaleplon (no hangover and tolerance doesn't build up very fast), but from what I understand it's difficult to get in the UK.
 
Noobs...

(2) 5mg melatonin (walmart)
(2) 5-HTP(walmart) Seretonin Precursor

Both 1 hr before bed. Consider taking a simple antihistamine along with this stack as well. To increase the affect if the melatonin, consume some amount of carbohydrate and lie down in a DARK room, fan always helps
To keep cool. Also, before lying down Take these with a Hot cup of caffeinated tea(8 oz water, 2 tea bags). You're after the theanine conent. Theanine has a de-edging effect that calms and synergizes well with this blend.

Now go win in the sleep realm.

P.s. if its 30 mins after the 1hr mark and youre not snoring. Take a shot if the highest proof alcohol you can buy( i prefer rumplemintz). Done Son...
 
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I would really advise against relying on benzodiazepines as a hypnotic agent, as they are notoriously unreliable for this purpose often leading to users experiencing rebound anxiety and insomnia upon discontinuation of benzodiazepine therapy, leading to users to believe above all other things, that they need benzodiazepines to sleep, just because it's "the easy way out" so to speak.
 
Have you tried the zopiclone with an anti-histamine?
Starting mirtazapine enabled me to cut my zopiclone use in half.
Failing that, id go with trazodone, its pretty much unstoppable.
A decent tria-zolo benzo would work as well but good luck gettin any out of a uk doc.lol
 
I started om mirtazapine abt a week ago, but have failed a couple of times to remember to take it, but am getting into more of a regular routine now.

as ive been using chlopromazone fo=r several nights in a row im giving that a miss tonight (i cant find the pack of it which i knoww ivw got containing 9 pills) i took 1/3 of my etizolams earler and otrher 10 half an hr ago along with 100mg of dyphrenydramine - ill probably have a fe bongs of mam2201 as well if and when i hopefully start feeling drwosy as that usually knocks me out when im in that state. Trying a bit of mix and match tonight. Or ill be turning the hose upseide doen tomorrow for the thr chlopptomozaine (though ive got quite a few due to comne in frim sri lanka soon anyway).......
 
yesterday i left out the chloros partly cos i couldnt find them aswell as rapid tolerance growth and fear of the side effects,

inj the end 100mg of dyph, 1 mirtazapine, and a massive mam2201 bong knocked me out for 12 hours. I was out like a light as soon as my head hit the pillow.

The pronlem with the dyphs ive got is that they are in gel form, ill get thim in adifferent form necxt time so will be able to gradu7ally reduce my dose. i dont think i really need 100 mg, but 50mg does not do it for me.
 
The OP had a HUGE tolerance to benzos, especially to etizolam.

I'm sure MDB won't mind me saying that. I think you need to come off what your taking to be able to effectively gauge your insomnia. I wonder is you problem physical or perhaps psychological. Are you telling yourself you need medicine to be able to sleep?

I empathise because I know insomnia can be fucking horrible.
 
yeah it took me too long to realise that etizolam wasnt helping me sleep, by which time id develpoed the huge problem you mention.

When im clean off everything or at least down to proper therapetic doses; and if i could have one wish, I'd stop time for a month, stop taking all sleep aids and just let my body work itself through the insomnia. Im sure after a few weeks it would right itself again. In the real world though you always (well i always) need to get a lot of sleep or im in very bad shape the next day (unless i resort to stims, which just exarcebates the whole fuckin cycle)
 
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