since ghb is bad, any alternatives?

Lopez

Lopez

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i've heard it increases protein synthesis not only by causing increased HGH secretion but also by stimulating the pentose phosphate pathway.

phenibut i've heard is a good alternative but it's also addicting (as addicting as benzodiazepines actually). so now i'm wondering if there's any other non-addictive pentose pathway stimulators??
 
Phenibut is addictive, but i have used a few days in a row without withdrawel. I find it has absolutely no recreational usage, and dont particularly enjoy the way it makes me feel the next day. Just a great nights sleep is the benefit I receive. Also, high dose melatonin seems to have the exact same effect...absolutely increases REM = increase HGH.
 
problem is melatonin decreases test levels and hinders PCT which i'm undergoing. i need to find something else anabolic and i barely even found out about this anabolic process.

apparently it's kind of how HGH works just more direct almost... or at least it's not as clear to me.
 
Think GHB is your best/only option. I am not sure on the body building facts/myths and how true they are.
 
Tony Williams said:
Think GHB is your best/only option. I am not sure on the body building facts/myths and how true they are.
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thing is i don't want to get addicted to it. and also it lasts so little in the body that it's almost pointless unless you continually dose which would end up causing habituation anyway.

i know they're true, i know guys who got decent results (not HGH like- but something you can get from peptides) when it came to lean mass. then again these guys were weak when they started so no true way to tell if it was just genetics or doping...
 
Lopez said:
apparently it's kind of how HGH works just more direct almost... or at least it's not as clear to me.
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ts


Not even fucking close. It's a crock of shit, just like how bodybuilders claimed Nubain lowered cortisol back in the fucking day. All that came out of it was a bunch of fucking gorilla sized junkies wheelin dealin and scheming shit gear to support their habit and stain on the sport. If you are looking for something that works like HGH, get HGH or looking into Imaporelin, GHRPs, or HGH itself.

Being lean on GHB and doing steroids can be compared to being lean whilst addicted to heroin and doing steroids.

Don't fuck with it Lopez, not for bodybuilding purposes. Look in the mirror, because all that you worked for will be gone if you fuck around with a recreational drug for bodybuilding purposes. You might say you will be able to stop or control your use. I said the same shit when I started dabbling with opiates here and there to relive stress and relax. It turned into seven years of IV heroin.

Narcotics have no fucking place in bodybuilding.
 
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Lopez said:
thing is i don't want to get addicted to it. and also it lasts so little in the body that it's almost pointless unless you continually dose which would end up causing habituation anyway.

i know they're true, i know guys who got decent results (not HGH like- but something you can get from peptides) when it came to lean mass. then again these guys were weak when they started so no true way to tell if it was just genetics or doping...
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You're literally scraping at shortcuts with every single post you make. Some esoteric, addictive depressant that boosts protein synthesis by .0001% isn't worth it for you because you're nowhere close to that level where you need to take it; and most likely never will be (that's a good thing). A clean diet, 8 hours of sleep a night, a heavy routine centered around compound movements, and an occasional Test cycle is all you or anyone else will ever need in this world and that is the bottom line.


Stop making excuses and just admit that you want to get high. Please. It would be ten times more respectable than dancing around the issue and pretending to be a bodybuilder. More drugs just equals more problems. This post doesn't just go for you, but anybody reading this. And I don't know about you, but I'm not alright with being a lab rat for some bro-science douchers that claim every illicit narcotic will build muscle one way or another. Using this logic you might as well smoke marijuana to eat more, shoot heroin to take care of your joint pain, take GHB to boost GH, and trip on mescaline to fire up your motivation. It's just asinine and ridiculous. If you need a drug to do anything effectively, then you didn't have what it takes to begin with. This kind of pseudo-intellectual chemical experimentation is exactly what destroys lives. The amount of bodybuilders and fitness enthusiasts that died or had their lives shitcanned because of drug combinations is incalculable.
 
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ts


Not even fucking close. It's a crock of shit, just like how bodybuilders claimed Nubain lowered cortisol back in the fucking day. All that came out of it was a bunch of fucking gorilla sized junkies wheelin dealin and scheming shit gear to support their habit and stain on the sport. If you are looking for something that works like HGH, get HGH or looking into Imaporelin, GHRPs, or HGH itself.

Being lean on GHB and doing steroids can be compared to being lean whilst addicted to heroin and doing steroids.

Don't fuck with it Lopez, not for bodybuilding purposes. Look in the mirror, because all that you worked for will be gone if you fuck around with a recreational drug for bodybuilding purposes. You might say you will be able to stop or control your use. I said the same shit when I started dabbling with opiates here and there to relive stress and relax. It turned into seven years of IV heroin.

Narcotics have no fucking place in bodybuilding.
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LOL you seriously made me read this in tony's voice XD and nooo i don't want GHB i never was a fan of depressants even when i used drugs (except some opiates), just looking into something new, i'm fascinated at this whole cell division concept.
 
Voxide said:
You're literally scraping at shortcuts with every single post you make. Some esoteric, addictive depressant that boosts protein synthesis by .0001% isn't worth it for you because you're nowhere close to that level where you need to take it; and most likely never will be (that's a good thing). A clean diet, 8 hours of sleep a night, a heavy routine centered around compound movements, and an occasional Test cycle is all you or anyone else will ever need in this world and that is the bottom line.


Stop making excuses and just admit that you want to get high. Please. It would be ten times more respectable than dancing around the issue and pretending to be a bodybuilder. More drugs just equals more problems. This post doesn't just go for you, but anybody reading this. And I don't know about you, but I'm not alright with being a lab rat for some bro-science douchers that claim every illicit narcotic will build muscle one way or another. Using this logic you might as well smoke marijuana to eat more, shoot heroin to take care of your joint pain, take GHB to boost GH, and trip on mescaline to fire up your motivation. It's just asinine and ridiculous. If you need a drug to do anything effectively, then you didn't have what it takes to begin with. This kind of pseudo-intellectual chemical experimentation is exactly what destroys lives. The amount of bodybuilders and fitness enthusiasts that died or had their lives shitcanned because of drug combinations is incalculable.
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i never did said the compound had to be psychoactive. phenibut was never really recreational. i'm just looking into trying something other than GHRP or steroids (was thinking about sarms when i finish PCT, but this whole pentose pathway stimulation concept really caught my attention). otherwise i'd just get GHB lol, it's cheap as dirt around here.

i've cleaned up my life lol, haven't touched a hard drug in 2 years, haven't drank since thanksgiving, and haven't smoked weed in 8 months or so...
 
GHB's release of growth hormone is neglectable because of the prolactin increase is causes at the same time. You could get effect from the growth hormone by combining GHB with a prolactin blocker like bromocriptine during your cycle. If you have not abused GHB before, and keep the doses low, and intervals timed correctly you should be able to run a moderate cycle without facing withdrawal. (Personal experience using GHB like this ) This is some pretty advanced shit though, and for beginners there are far easier ways to achieve what u want.
 
ehh GHB is a drug you take to get high, bottom line..ive never met anyone that takes it for its GH release..we took it to get high or for social occasions..

as for what could replace Ghb there isnt much that stacks up against it imo..Phenibut gives me a decent long lasting 'feeling'..i call it a feeling because it doesnt get me high really..it doesnt really help bodybuilding efforts though..
 
Use

Hexarelin, Ipamorelin, GHRP-2 or GHRP-6 with CJC w/ DAC.
On cycle you'll get monster gains. Accompanied by fat loss, tighter skin and not to mention an endless appetite. 100mcg-300mcg a day is good for GHRPs.

Yeah, using a GABA agonist as a body building supplement is dumb. Just asking to get addicted. GHB is also going to make you retain water like mad and drive up your blood pressure, because of its high sodium content.

You can get the same or better growth hormone effects using other legal supplements.
 
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