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I was just wondering how does one get into the same field (sort of) as shulgin?
For example I dream of being able to make amazing new chemicals and experiment with them ect. I was wondering what qualifications do you need? What is it? Where do you study it. How where all the details
The only information i have is that bristol university do physcopharmolgy :)
 
Get a BS in Chemistry.
Go to Grad school and specialize in organic chemistry.
Work under some baller ass researchers.
Become a legend.
Then you will be half the man Shulgin is.
 
Lol then go back in time to shulgins earlier time so that the DEA MIGHT let you do any of that.
 
1. BS Chemistry
2. PhD Organic Chemistry

If super lucky and talented:
3. Join one of the few research groups that work on psychoactives.
4. Make new drugs.

If you have connections to buy controlled/watched chemicals:
3. Buy chemicals.
4. Make new drugs.

Otherwise:
3. Repeal all drug laws.
4. Make new drugs.
 
Go back in time. Bring with you gigabytes of data on Shulgin's research and all your knowledge from the future.

Do everything Shulgin did but before he does it, which will no doubt frustrate the hell out of him as just as he is about to come up with something awesome you do it first.

Otherwise yeah get into Organic Chemistry and pharmacology.
 
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1. BS Chemistry
2. PhD Organic Chemistry

If super lucky and talented:
3. Join one of the few research groups that work on psychoactives.
4. Make new drugs.

If you have connections to buy controlled/watched chemicals:
3. Buy chemicals.
4. Make new drugs.

Otherwise:
3. Repeal all drug laws.
4. Make new drugs.



I prefer to Repeal all drug laws.. Well most laws in general actually.
 
Experience with biochemistry and neuroscience would also be very useful, in addition to a well-rounded chemistry education. Don't kid yourself though, you'll never have a job as cool as Shulgin's. If you decide to specialize in a field as difficult and time-consuming as chemistry, do it because you love the subject-- not because you want to be like Shulgin...

I have about 2.5 semesters left of my chemistry B.S. and it really sucks sometimes, I haven't gotten more than 4.5 hours of sleep a single night this week. Most of the work is extremely hard, esoteric, and dry. For example, I've spent nearly all my waking hours in the past week writing a paper on vibrational spectroscopy, and you can't really get much dryer than that. Its shitty hard work, don't kid yourself. Only do it if you love it-- if I didn't have a passion for what I do I wouldn't be able to muster the strength needed to succeed.. its just too taxing.
 
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Stated succinctly, you have two broad options: Medicine and Science. Under Medicine, I continue to believe that physicians with a psychiatry residency and research experience will make the greatest contributions to the field of psychedelics. This is a long and difficult row to hoe, however, and few choose it. But this option allows you ultimately to work with humans, where the results are most dramatic and have the greatest impact. Rats cannot tell you if they see the white light!

Under Science, you again have two broad options: Pharmacology and Chemistry (loosely defined). In pharmacology, one might study the behavioral effects (usually in rats) or the neurochemical effects of substances. You could choose a whole animal behavioral approach (e.g. in Dr. Mark Geyer’s lab at UC-San Diego), a systems/neuronal approach (Dr. George Aghajanian at Yale who does unit cell recording... tedious but interesting), or a more molecular approach (e.g. Dr. Elaine Sanders-Bush at Vanderbilt or Dr. Bryan Roth at Case- Western Reserve) that would involve the expression of receptors, structure of receptors, etc. I do some behavioral work at Purdue, but we use behavior more as a screen to guide our chemistry.

In chemistry, my lab at Purdue is, I would argue, the major place (but perhaps I have a bias!). Dr. Richard Glennon at Virginia Commonwealth has done a lot of chemistry of psychedelics but more recently has focused on some other areas. Despite the romance and popularity that attend to natural drugs and herbal remedies, there is no academic department I know of that focuses on the ethno-pharmacology of psychoactive drugs or psychedelics. There is a big natural–products group at the University of Illinois at Chicago, but they are mostly working on anticancer drugs (as, in fact, are most natural–products groups these days).


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Experience with biochemistry and neuroscience would also be very useful, in addition to a well-rounded chemistry education. Don't kid yourself though, you'll never have a job as cool as Shulgin's. If you decide to specialize in a field as difficult and time-consuming as chemistry, do it because you love the subject-- not because you want to be like Shulgin...

I have about 2.5 semesters left of my chemistry B.S. and it really sucks sometimes, I haven't gotten more than 4.5 hours of sleep a single night this week. Most of the work is extremely hard, esoteric, and dry. For example, I've spent nearly all my waking hours in the past week writing a paper on vibrational spectroscopy, and you can't really get much dryer than that. Its shitty hard work, don't kid yourself. Only do it if you love it-- if I didn't have a passion for what I do I wouldn't be able to muster the strength needed to succeed.. its just too taxing.

Yeah, you may never be able to do what Shulgin has done, or what other well known researcher my have done. However, there are so many areas of interest with in the scope of medical chemistry and molecular pharmacology, with intriguing research or research possibilities. It takes a lot of work and time at universities, and if you actually put the effort in, I'm sure your eyes will open to the possibilities of your future within the fields

Like roger, I have a little bit to go with my studies for my chem B.S (~1.5-2 years left), and man does that seem like an eternity. My work load never seems to stop, and the only way to well in these classes is to spend the majority of your time focused in on your studies. So, expect to bust your ass, and spend the next large chunk of your time in the university setting.
 
I am, with increasing enthusiasm, considering a 'Chemical Technology' course at a technical college in my province, 'SIAST'. I have the funds to complete it, and the courses are generally made so people can be thrust into industry in the province(lots of work available in this field). After I complete the two years, or 72 weeks, I am eligible to be granted upto $20,000 back by remaining in province, the class only costs $13,000.

In addition there are 3 universities, one in my home town, one in Victoria BC and one in newfoundland(Royal Roads), who will recognize my two years at SIAST as completing the first two years of the BS.

Plus I am able to get non-repayable grants in the order for $300/week of study.

I am probably going to go through with it, my parents had set aside just enough to pay for tuition for this course, but like every month since I was 12.

Anyway i just thought I would share.
 
well he started in chemistry, worked for a company, then did his own thing and worked independently in his lab

so he did basically what everyone else does; studied and then got a job
 
I am, with increasing enthusiasm, considering a 'Chemical Technology' course at a technical college in my province, 'SIAST'. I have the funds to complete it, and the courses are generally made so people can be thrust into industry in the province(lots of work available in this field). After I complete the two years, or 72 weeks, I am eligible to be granted upto $20,000 back by remaining in province, the class only costs $13,000.

In addition there are 3 universities, one in my home town, one in Victoria BC and one in newfoundland(Royal Roads), who will recognize my two years at SIAST as completing the first two years of the BS.

Plus I am able to get non-repayable grants in the order for $300/week of study.

I am probably going to go through with it, my parents had set aside just enough to pay for tuition for this course, but like every month since I was 12.

Anyway i just thought I would share.

That sounds like a well thought out plan. I wonder if Shulgin had one of those...hmmm:\
 
I was just wondering how does one get into the same field (sort of) as shulgin?
For example I dream of being able to make amazing new chemicals and experiment with them ect. I was wondering what qualifications do you need? What is it? Where do you study it. How where all the details
The only information i have is that bristol university do physcopharmolgy :)

Organic chemistry... Also have a really high IQ and the ability travel back in time to the days when you could make drugs like this and consume them without making people terrified.

The world is working hard to make sure there are no more Shulgins.
 
Can only second what others have already said; this has got to be a tough field to get into, both through the qualifications and legal ramifications. The fact that it's probably very small will make it even harder to do your own thing without notice, as I don't think anyone needs to guess what your fate will be if your colleagues (let alone the feds) find out about your Eddie Jessup work on the side.
 
Just to clear things up, I don't expect to be "The next Shulgin", I do want to be able to produce my own desires in a reflux condenser and round bottom flask. =D

I have applied and am awaiting acceptance.

Peace
 
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