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Tryptamines Shrooms vs LSD comparing doses

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Godfrey's Own

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I once read Terence McKenna stating that he thought 4 grams of dried mushrooms was what he regarded as a "Hero Dose", ie: a dose which should make you feel panicky when coming up, should make you ask the question: "O fuck, am I really up for this?"
My question is:
Is there a rule of thumb conversion rate between Shrooms and Lucy?
Thanks in advance
 
I thought he said 5g and up for heroic but anyhow I am too lazy to find hard sources but I reckon one blotter would be similar to 3-4grams of shrooms or maybe less if it's shitty blotter.
 
I believe he most qouted "5 grams of dried psilocybin mashrooms, alone in the dark room". There is also a difference betwen psilocybe cubensis mushrooms based on how they were treated from growing, drying, packaging and storing. If there was more water retained and mashrooms weren't stored properly 4 grams of potent crispy psilocybe cubensis mushrooms could equal less than 3 grams of the stale gum like ones. And difference between 3G and 5+ can be a big one. When I want to leave myself defenseless I take 6-8 grams of the finest ones, put them in a coffee grinder and create a powder. Then mix it with some beverage like tea and just drink it. This way there is no much waiting and after maximum of 30 minutes it hits you like a train. Just make sure tahat you peed cause there will not be much of walking in following 3 hours.

Here from the horses mouth:

 
Opana313 said:
I thought he said 5g and up for heroic but anyhow I am too lazy to find hard sources but I reckon one blotter would be similar to 3-4grams of shrooms or maybe less if it's shitty blotter.
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If intake 5:drops (I only use liquid LSD) I estimate I've taken 500mics
And this dude puts me at the edge of what I can handle.
So, I'm thinking that one drop is probably roughly equivalent to one gram of well-defined shrooms.
 
Psycho_Logic said:
I believe he most qouted "5 grams of dried psilocybin mashrooms, alone in the dark room". There is also a difference betwen psilocybe cubensis mushrooms based on how they were treated from growing, drying, packaging and storing. If there was more water retained and mashrooms weren't stored properly 4 grams of potent crispy psilocybe cubensis mushrooms could equal less than 3 grams of the stale gum like ones. And difference between 3G and 5+ can be a big one. When I want to leave myself defenseless I take 6-8 grams of the finest ones, put them in a coffee grinder and create a powder. Then mix it with some beverage like tea and just drink it. This way there is no much waiting and after maximum of 30 minutes it hits you like a train. Just make sure tahat you peed cause there will not be much of walking in following 3 hours.

Here from the horses mouth:

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Thanks for the response.
Yes, you were correct about the McKenna quote.
And thanks for the link.
Your phrase "leave myself defenseless" captures exactly what McKenna was getting at.
 
Godfrey's Own said:
If intake 5:drops (I only use liquid LSD) I estimate I've taken 500mics
And this dude puts me at the edge of what I can handle.
So, I'm thinking that one drop is probably roughly equivalent to one gram of well-defined shrooms.
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Godfrey's Own said:
If intake 5:drops (I only use liquid LSD) I estimate I've taken 500mics
And this dude puts me at the edge of what I can handle.
So, I'm thinking that one drop is probably roughly equivalent to one gram of well-defined shrooms.
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Edit
I meant to write: "If I take 5 drops ...."
 
Godfrey's Own said:
If intake 5:drops (I only use liquid LSD) I estimate I've taken 500mics
And this dude puts me at the edge of what I can handle.
So, I'm thinking that one drop is probably roughly equivalent to one gram of well-defined shrooms.
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Lmao 500mics is a really high LSD dose, one gram of shrooms is nowhere near that even if they're really good ones

What exactly happened when you took 500mics? You may be overestimating how much you're taking
 
Shinji Ikari said:
Terrance McKenna was full of all kinds of shit but roughly speaking something like 2g cubensis = 100ug would be pretty on the money.

They aren't that alike though and high doses of psilocybin mushrooms tend to be a lot more disorientating and potentially frightening than high doses of acid IMO.
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Yeah I was going to guesstimate about 3g = 100ug.... but the more I think about it the more difficulty I have coming up with a comparison.

I don't really get why pop culture compares them so much. They're vastly different in a lot of ways other than mechanism and side effects.

High doses of shrooms make me feel like I've been physically "poisoned" (for lack of a better term). This is generally how I determine their strength.

High doses of LSD make me feel like I'm losing my mind, profound mental alterations. This is how I determine LSD strength.

Both are very different gauges for me.

I think my overall point is that a lot of people who can handle high doses of one drug may not be able to handle high doses of the other. Different beasts.
 
Agree about the edge of discomfort zones for both of these however, I use both separately and never want to go to the edge of discomfort where they do become different beasts - beasts I rather not contend with.

Instead I like to take from 20-50 mics of LSD which is 8 - 12 hours of psychedelic enhancements or I take 1.2 - 1.6 gm Penis Envy shrooms. which is 5- 8 hours of similar effects.

I occasionally find that I have to go lie down with these amounts, as the effects interfere with being seated or standing or walking, even though I could have one or two of each kind per week which means I am at the edge of tolerance as well.

I can never exactly determine why the same amount is sometimes stronger than at other times, even with volumetric dosing, the body and brain must vary in its susceptibility based upon factors beyond my awareness. So my variance in strength of dose often reflects -> dose lower if people are around or if I have to go out, and dose higher if going to be left undisturbed. more or less.
 
I always wondered what the dosage of LSD I was taking was. I usually would take one microdot or one blotter and I originally thought that was about 100 mics. As the years have passed, what I've read has made me rethink that to prolly being 60-70 mics.
I have had Orange Sunshine in the day.

About 3 grams (or so) of mushrooms gives me a trip which is beginning to be intense. More than a dot or a blotter, it's to where I just start to get the "walls breathing" visuals. "Colors", or geometric patterns happen at a much lower dose.

So, I always wondered what that equated to in LSD. 150 mics?
 
An easy way to gauge what ~150mics feels like is buying some of the legal LSD prodrugs that are available. As far as I know those are generally dosed as advertised
 
GulpingBatteryLiquid said:
An easy way to gauge what ~150mics feels like is buying some of the legal LSD prodrugs that are available. As far as I know those are generally dosed as advertised
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True, but the analogs and prodrugs also tend to be significantly less potent than LSD-25, both in effect and duration. It's not a direct conversation by any means.
 
As others have said - it's a tricky comparison for many reasons.

I can have a go though. Bear in mind that my main mushroom days were pre-internet and we didn't dry them (have had maybe 6 or 7 big shroom trips since then however) - usually made a brew with them same/next day after picking. Also bear in mind I am basing this from having had access to very accurately-dosed and very pure lsd blotters (not a dealer claim - tested).

It's also very handy for us to bear in mind that the potency of lsd is often unknown and/or substantially inflated by dealers. I've seen numerous occasions where people reckoned they could easily cope with 200ug lsd and were then super-shocked at what an actual 200ug dose did to them :oops:

Apparently a gram of dried shrooms (liberty caps in my case, only variety I have tried apart from Amenita Muscaria) is roughly equivalent to 30 freshly picked liberty caps. I had a couple of small-ish doses (
lets say 50 shrooms / 1.5-ish grams) and found that did not agree with me, so my usual dose was 120-200 shrooms fresh / so 4-6.5g dried. I've had numerous much higher doses though, up to (once) 1000 fresh / 33g dried EEK. I did a fair few trips on 400 fresh / 13g dried and really loved that dose! Always made sure set/setting were perfect for the higher doses mind, except oddly for the really masiv trip, which went suitably and predictably haywire

Based on that, I'm gonna go for this as a rough equivalent (in terms of potency)

100ug lsd - 3.25g dried shrooms
200ug - 6.5g shrooms
300ug - 10 ish g

etc
 
^^this is where my comparison sorta aligns..100ug LSD is like 2.5 or 3.5 dried shrooms... but yes still very different..a few blotter I'm still up n about as if I'm on a bit of X but of course visuals...while 3.5g of shroom I am more disoriented/confusion AND MUCH BETTER VISUALS(at least in my younger years)..now 3.5 is similar to low dosing for me.

paranoid android said:
I just prefer shrooms better visuals and shorter acting
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SAME plus I get more introspective trips that focus on betterment of thy self lol.
 
I really want some shrooms now heheh.

Am planning a high-ish dose trip within the next 3 or 4 weeks sometime, it's been 15 months since my last one

Am gonna start a thread o it actually to avoid derailing this
 
Godfrey's Own said:
If intake 5:drops (I only use liquid LSD) I estimate I've taken 500mics
And this dude puts me at the edge of what I can handle.
So, I'm thinking that one drop is probably roughly equivalent to one gram of well-defined shrooms.
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personally i think a half 1/8th might be around 100ug of lsd, the shrooms might not even hit that hard... maybe penis envy or some other strains can hit harder... they both definitely have different body buzzes. i think the visuals generally go the same place... i'm really not gonna get too much visuals from 100ugs of lsd or a half 1/8th of shrooms. if i smoke weed it will really set those doses off and i'll be in a psychedelic mode.

personally after trying lsd and some of the analogues, i don't really like shrooms as much. they are still alright. i hate to say this, cause shrooms are so much easier to aquire.
 
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