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Tryptamines Shrooms during Diazepam taper?

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waterv1

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Long story short, I was on Klonopin 1mg nightly for nearly 3 years. I tried to taper down about half a year ago, but went too fast and janked myself up. I got down to .25, but everything since then has been a nightmarish blur, and I went from the prime of my emotional health to rock-bottom depression. I started over and I am now at 7mg Diazepam; having a bit of trouble with this recent cut from 8, but I'm happy with my doctor and he's letting me go as slowly as I need to.

The issue is, shrooms have been the bedrock of my emotional & mental health these past 3 years as well. I struggle with a lot of issues, chiefly autism and all of the lovely depression and anxiety that comes with that, and really need maintenance trips to maintain my mental state. I've had a deeply traumatic year, and the last trip I did was a year ago. I know shrooms aren't an insta-fix, but they really are crucial for me to stay on-track. I'm in a deep sludge and I can't pull myself out of it, and long-acting benzos obviously aren't helping.

The other issue is, Diazepam. I did all of my meaningful trips the day after the nightly Klonopin, and they were life-changing; I've never felt it hindered a trip. They weren't anything crazy, no visuals, but extremely emotionally healing. But the Diazepam has such a long half-life, I feel like it would be a waste of shrooms, and I feel trapped until the end of my taper (god knows when) until I can have a trip, but I also feel trapped in the hell of my own mind, which is making the taper that much harder.

Does anyone have any advice on how to circumnavigate this? Is it a guaranteed dud, or would the trip have a chance? Maybe switching to the equivalent Klonopin dosage for a few days & then trying? Thanks y'all.
 
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Put those dang brenzos in a stew pot! Those rascal pellets made me crash my Hyundai in a sassafras swamp!
 
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I would not worry about the long diazepam half-life. Will the diazepam diminish your trip? Maybe. But I doubt it will be by much. I'd actually be much more concerned if you were asking about taking shrooms while tapering more aggressively. When tapering more aggressively, you lower the seizure threshold which is a possible risk when doing psychedelics.

So I think you'll probably be fine and at worst may need a little higher dose than you would have. I would recommend starting conservatively of course. I hope you find the healing you seek.
 
Do you have a dependence? I think that's a key detail here. A dose taken as part of a long taper is probably just barely enough to feel "normal", and not something that's likely to feel at all like that dose taken by a person with no dependence.
 
waterv1 said:
Long story short, I was on Klonopin 1mg nightly for nearly 3 years. I tried to taper down about half a year ago, but went too fast and janked myself up. I got down to .25, but everything since then has been a nightmarish blur, and I went from the prime of my emotional health to rock-bottom depression. I started over and I am now at 7mg Diazepam; having a bit of trouble with this recent cut from 8, but I'm happy with my doctor and he's letting me go as slowly as I need to.

The issue is, shrooms have been the bedrock of my emotional & mental health these past 3 years as well. I struggle with a lot of issues, chiefly autism and all of the lovely depression and anxiety that comes with that, and really need maintenance trips to maintain my mental state. I've had a deeply traumatic year, and the last trip I did was a year ago. I know shrooms aren't an insta-fix, but they really are crucial for me to stay on-track. I'm in a deep sludge and I can't pull myself out of it, and long-acting benzos obviously aren't helping.

The other issue is, Diazepam. I did all of my meaningful trips the day after the nightly Klonopin, and they were life-changing; I've never felt it hindered a trip. They weren't anything crazy, no visuals, but extremely emotionally healing. But the Diazepam has such a long half-life, I feel like it would be a waste of shrooms, and I feel trapped until the end of my taper (god knows when) until I can have a trip, but I also feel trapped in the hell of my own mind, which is making the taper that much harder.

Does anyone have any advice on how to circumnavigate this? Is it a guaranteed dud, or would the trip have a chance? Maybe switching to the equivalent Klonopin dosage for a few days & then trying? Thanks y'all.
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you got this... i kicked benzos with the help of mushrooms once. i just kept taking mushrooms for days, 3 days to be exact.

if you ever wanna talk, DM me.

Been down that road so.....
 
Psychedelics have profoundly helped me reduce or quit GABAergics, particularly alcohol. I much prefer LSD for this purpose, the neurogenesis and afterglow seem more significant and longer lasting, which are the two things that help me quit (other than psychological fortitude and rejuvenation).

Don't worry about benzos killing the trip, this idea is highly overstated by drug culture people. The best and strongest trip on LSD I've ever had was when I also took 2mg of alprazolam and several beers.. If someone were to take a large dose of LSD, say 300ug, I really don't think any amount of benzos would bring you down (within reason....). They certainly make the trip more relaxed and less bumpy, but it does not stop the hallucinations.

I would nudge you to take the highest dose you are comfortable with, and maybe +20% more ;)

Higher doses bring a more chaotic trip, but the afterglow is also much stronger.

LSD afterglow almost makes me feel like I'm on benzos. I'm always in a very calm, relaxed, non-irritable and content mood for several days afterwards.
 
I take trips with support of some sedative or two every now and then; it is better to have slightly numbed trip than chaotic, bad trip you don't benefit of if your blood is short on medicine your system is used to, or no trip at all.

If you feel like you need trip killer if things go south, pregabalin does not fuck with your taper, and it can be used occasionally also when decreasing dose for a short while. It eases your feelings, but it does not really kill the trip. Then there is quetiapine, more boring but totally should take you down.

Obviously it is recommended to avoid decisions that could possibly lead to taking extra diazepam to deal with bad trip, it could take you back few days. But you might be the best person to evaluate that risk.
 
Thank you all for your replies.. I went back up to the 8mg to stabilize at the advice of my taper doctor, stopped taking the clonidine he recommended for WDs that I'd been taking for that week.. and was thrust into a clonidine WD hell that was 5x worse than the actual benzo WDs! If I'm screaming in agony from clonidine rebound and not the taper itself, I'm not sure what a low to moderate shrooms dose can offer me that's much scarier.

I know shrooms help me, so once I find a day where I'm feeling good (they happen), I'm just going to do them. They've healed me every time; sometimes I can hear that self-assuring inner voice that was so strong before my mental health tanked from all of this, and I know I can get back to that place. I just wish there was more information, all you can find are horror stories and fear-mongering on most forums.
 
Where are you with the clonidine? Did you start taking it again to stop the withdraw? Have you had enough time to "level out" or stabilize after these changes?
 
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Where are you with the clonidine? Did you start taking it again to stop the withdraw? Have you had enough time to "level out" or stabilize after these changes?
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I took it for about a week, and now I haven’t slept in 2 days. Horrible, horrible feelings that do not feel like benzo WD, considering I went back up to 8 & felt WD free for a day, stopped the clonidine, and now I’m experiencing hell. The benzo WD was panic attack hell, but not “I’m going to end it all if this doesn’t stop” kind. I was 100% stable on the 8 for the 2 weeks & haven’t dealt with insomnia this entire godforsaken taper until now. I keep telling myself it’s the clonidine rebound bc last time I took clonidine a month ago, I had a similar but shorter hell.
 
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