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should we make changing rooms in pools/gyms unisex with private stalls?

astr591

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Make one big unisex changing room with little rooms/stalls inside to change. At pools, put the showers on the pool deck so everyone can shower with their bathing suit on


think it might make transgenders happy and other people as well since they can change in a stall in privacy
 
No. This would be pointless, and a lot of men and women would not like this.

The majority of people do not always like to shower, use a public toilet, or get naked around their own sex or gender let alone the opposite sex or gender.
 
No. This would be pointless, and a lot of men and women would not like this.

The majority of people do not always like to shower, use a public toilet, or get naked around their own sex or gender let alone the opposite sex or gender.

I agree. I don't like where this whole gender equality thing is going. I'm all for equal OPTIONS for both genders (and well, those who are neither male or female), because a person should be judged and evaluated based on their relevant merits, not simply by their gender. However, enforcing complete gender equality is ridiculous. Men and women ARE biologically different, and anyone who denies that is just stupid. Are there any problems with having toilets and bathrooms as we do now? No? Then why try to change it? Why try repair something that isn't broken...
 
I guess unisex toilets will be cleaner than your usual men's room ;). I agree with bd, optional unisex rooms would be ideal. enforcing it not so much.
 
The fuck I want urinals done away with just because people can't share a mirror with a tranny once and a while

You only have to see the long queues for a woman's toilet to know unisex bathrooms will be an abomination.

Let women use a she wee in the men's if they want to
 
Men stand. Men piss on the seat. Do women want to sit in that? Most women do not hover.

If anybody still thinks unisex toilets are a good idea, try using one at a crowded public place. Time the women. wait time can be 15 minutes . You better not have an emergency. I've had to run outside and piss in the gutter.
 
Men stand. Men piss on the seat. Do women want to sit in that? Most women do not hover.

If anybody still thinks unisex toilets are a good idea, try using one at a crowded public place. Time the women. wait time can be 15 minutes . You better not have an emergency. I've had to run outside and piss in the gutter.

Woman's bathrooms are way worse from what I've heard.

You hold women is way too high a regard. They are not angels that are waiting for captain save-a-hoe to ride in on his white steed. They'd prefer a coke dealer for now and a doctor when they're too old for thugs.

If you need to accommodate transexuals use a single toilet family bathroom style. Transexuals are a tiny minority no need to jump through hoops because dude feels like a lady.
 
Men stand. Men piss on the seat. Do women want to sit in that? Most women do not hover.

If anybody still thinks unisex toilets are a good idea, try using one at a crowded public place. Time the women. wait time can be 15 minutes . You better not have an emergency. I've had to run outside and piss in the gutter.
You ever worked in a place with unisex toilets?
I have - in more than one job - and they're cleaner than men's toilets. Much nicer.
It seems to force lazy asshole guys into showing a little respect for other users by either aiming better or at least cleaning up after themselves.
Public places? I can see that could very well be a different story. Especially bars.
Unlike at work, there is no accountability for making a mess, so some assholes are inconsiderate.

But unisex toilets are fine in professional environments, in my experience.
Woman's bathrooms are way worse from what I've heard.

You hold women is way too high a regard. They are not angels that are waiting for captain save-a-hoe to ride in on his white steed. They'd prefer a coke dealer for now and a doctor when they're too old for thugs.

If you need to accommodate transexuals use a single toilet family bathroom style. Transexuals are a tiny minority no need to jump through hoops because dude feels like a lady.
What are you talking about?
You've never been into a ladies' toilet? They're generally much cleaner. Much higher standard of witty graffiti too!

As for the OP, why would you want to shower with a bathing suit on? Defeats the purpose!
Personally i have no problem whatsoever being nude (to swim, shower, whatever) in the presence of men or women.
Under our clothes, we are all more or less the same. Naked human bodies are just what we all look like underneath the clothes.
I understand people's bodily insecurities, but think a lot of the prudishness around nudity is ridiculous.

I think it would be unreasonable to force men and women to share changerooms, but i'd be just as happy taking a shower next to my girlfriend (or any other woman or man) in a mixed gender environment, as a room full of naked men.
Would i use a row of mixed-gender showers? Why, yes - i have, and would do so again without hesitation. They're just bodies.
As for the trans thing - is that the main issue here?
I've never been hung up on people's sex or gender - clothed or unclothed. Makes no difference to me.
If people want privacy, they should be entitled to expect it.

But if people are comfortable changing and undressing in unisex changing rooms, what's wrong with that? There is this perception some people have that nudity is a specifically sexual thing - which is not the case at all. That's just a hangup that has probably been helped along by pornography and erotica that depicts undressed humans as strictly sexual beings.

I've had plenty of experiences interacting with people (female and male) in situations wherr nobody is wearing a damn thing - and there is really nothing sexual or weird about it.
Guys have penises, women have breasts - we all have slight differences in shape, colour and size - but are essentially the same.
Body taboo is a construct that is used in all kinds of ways - to sell clothes, to sell erotica or pornography - but honestly, i can quite comfortably have a discussion with a beautiful, naked female stranger without it being sexually-arousing, or even really thinking about sex.
The same goes for communal showers.
You wanna get clean? Strip off and have a wash. Its just the human body and there are no great mysteries about them.
Whether people are male/female/trans or whatever shouldnt matter, so long as people are safe and comfortable.
 
You ever worked in a place with unisex toilets?
I have - in more than one job - and they're cleaner than men's toilets. Much nicer.
It seems to force lazy asshole guys into showing a little respect for other users by either aiming better or at least cleaning up after themselves.
Public places? I can see that could very well be a different story. Especially bars.
Unlike at work, there is no accountability for making a mess, so some assholes are inconsiderate.

But unisex toilets are fine in professional environments, in my experience.

What are you talking about?
You've never been into a ladies' toilet? They're generally much cleaner. Much higher standard of witty graffiti too!

As for the OP, why would you want to shower with a bathing suit on? Defeats the purpose!
Personally i have no problem whatsoever being nude (to swim, shower, whatever) in the presence of men or women.
Under our clothes, we are all more or less the same. Naked human bodies are just what we all look like underneath the clothes.
I understand people's bodily insecurities, but think a lot of the prudishness around nudity is ridiculous.

I think it would be unreasonable to force men and women to share changerooms, but i'd be just as happy taking a shower next to my girlfriend (or any other woman or man) in a mixed gender environment, as a room full of naked men.
Would i use a row of mixed-gender showers? Why, yes - i have, and would do so again without hesitation. They're just bodies.
As for the trans thing - is that the main issue here?
I've never been hung up on people's sex or gender - clothed or unclothed. Makes no difference to me.
If people want privacy, they should be entitled to expect it.

But if people are comfortable changing and undressing in unisex changing rooms, what's wrong with that? There is this perception some people have that nudity is a specifically sexual thing - which is not the case at all. That's just a hangup that has probably been helped along by pornography and erotica that depicts undressed humans as strictly sexual beings.

I've had plenty of experiences interacting with people (female and male) in situations wherr nobody is wearing a damn thing - and there is really nothing sexual or weird about it.
Guys have penises, women have breasts - we all have slight differences in shape, colour and size - but are essentially the same.
Body taboo is a construct that is used in all kinds of ways - to sell clothes, to sell erotica or pornography - but honestly, i can quite comfortably have a discussion with a beautiful, naked female stranger without it being sexually-arousing, or even really thinking about sex.
The same goes for communal showers.
You wanna get clean? Strip off and have a wash. Its just the human body and there are no great mysteries about them.
Whether people are male/female/trans or whatever shouldnt matter, so long as people are safe and comfortable.
There are two unisex scenarios. The unisex toilets I had in mind are those at bars and places like starbucks that see a steady stream of people. The workers cannot keep up, and there is usually a mess and a slow line.

My work has unisex toilets too. They are almost always clean. Most people clean up after themselves.

Transexuaals have figured out which toilet to use long ago, and I don't know why they would need a 3rd toilet.

Are you German? I think your attitude towards nudity is common and maybe the norm in parts of that country.
 
Nope, i'm australian, but i have a relaxed attitude towards the body.
I outgrew the puritan shame thing; it's liberating and good for maintaining a healthy sense of body image.
 
SJ, does this not hurt your sex drive? If I were to use public all-gender changing rooms and showers, it would totally de-sexualize nudity; people look better with their clothes on, and the mystery of what is underneath is part of the sexual appeal. This is partly my personal experience. If you no longer associate nudity with sex with someone, you lose your desire for them.

I can assure you that this is a total clichee with no root in reality

Isn't it true at least somewhat true? A German expat told me about this. He was saying this started because of percieved health benefits or something. Other countries have nudist colonies. I understand that in the US, pervs go to these places, but maybe it is another cliché.
 
Nope, nudity is awesome. Comfortable. Natural. Normal.
Do people look better with clothes on? Debatable.
Without clothes we are stripped of many social signifiers, and groups of naked people have a sense of comfortable anonymity that isn't really comparable to any other situation.
Personally i've slways found the typical American attitude to the human body anomolous; ie you rarely see a penis depicted in a film.
I don't see what the fuss is all about.
 
[MENTION=70962]socko[/MENTION] yeah there are nude beaches and and "colonies" here in middle europe, but people who go there are very much the minority. I assume that you can find places in America to go nude as well, no?

in the summer, I almost always go to a lake where I can swim nude. :)
 
There are plenty more nude sunbathers in Frankfurt parks during lunch time than you find in most other western cities.

I personally have no concerns with people seeing me naked, it's only sexual once you have an erection, and even then unless you have low testosterone it's sometimes hard to avoid a random boner.

I have a single male toilet with a majority female staff room and many years ago I had to public ally out the girls for using my male toilet solely for their poos. It seems it's alright to shit and bruise the male bowl, not the female.

As for trans genders, they can piss where ever they want.
 
Different cultures have different ideas about this ... even Europe vs the US. Here, there's no real.benefit to such an arrangement, and it only has the potential to make people uncomfortable. As far as transsexuals go, I don't really see a problem with them using a bathroom of their choice if they are to an outside observer appearing to be that sex, otherwise not. Which Is basically the status quo because they could get away with it in the first place, we don't need laws pro or con.
 
I hope people realise how gendered toilets and changing rooms cause huge issues for trans people. Trans people have higher chances of developing a urinary tract infection due to being unable to access the correct toilets whilst out. Plus, please don't forget about us Non-binary people. It's near impossible for us.
 
...but we're talking about making huge changes which will be uncomfortable for many people for the comfort of a tiny minority (albeit one having received a great deal of attention over the past few years.) On both sides we are talking about psychological distress at the very worst (although the point about getting UTIs in order to avoid said psychological distress is is an interesting side note.) Indeed, using the bathroom not associated with one's biological sex might have significant negatives for transsexuals, i.e. the the risk of being assaulted, etc.)

Use of the "wrong" (i.e. not corresponding to biological or at least apparent sex) bathroom is sort of a tangent in this thread though, which is about unisex bathrooms. This should be up to a particular establishment's decisions which of course will vary with culture culture and locale: what flies in San Francisco may not in New York and certainly won't in Alabama. This is healthy and inevitable, different cultures will invariably have different values when it comes to these sorts of situations.

What concerns me particularly is the abandonment of attention to the values of the majority in the face of providing some sort of psychological comfort or social recognition for a very small minority (the vast majority of people in our society do not even know of or understand the concept of non-binary sexuality and are probably even less likely to meet such a person, and very recently the same would have held on the first for the idea of trans sexuality at least as understood in any sense of it being a bizarre form of deviance or fetish or at the least a mental illness, and in this population the second point likely still holds.) Not only with the bathroom controversies can this be seen but also with the issues of the cake bakers etc. These groups no doubt deserve the protection of the law but not to the extent that we must modify the values of our entire society to structure it around their demands. This is simply unreasonable.

(Thread may do better in CE&P and I am considering moving it there. On second thought, SLR might be appropriate too, heck, even MH; given the sheer variety of possibilities, maybe it should just stay put.)
 
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