Should religions be classified as Fake News? The bible seems to say yes.

[Gnostic Bishop]

Should religions be classified as Fake News? The bible seemsto say yes.

Fake News is what many are calling lies or distortions ofthe truth these days.

No organizations distort the truth and outright lie aboutGods than the organized religions.

Should religions be classified as Fake News?

The bible seems to say yes.

Isaiah 56:11) "They are shepherds who have nounderstanding; They have all turned to their own way, each on to his unjustgain, to the last one" But do not despair, for the day of judgment is athand, for the day of judgment and the day of the LORD occupy the same timeframe. All the dross will be burned away. (Zech 13:9) & (Malachi 3:3). Inthat day, "you will distinguish between the righteous and the wicked"(Malachi 3:18)

Luke 11:52 Woe unto you, lawyers! for ye have taken away thekey of knowledge: ye entered not in yourselves, and them that were entering inye hindered.

Mark 7:13 Making the word of God of none effect through yourtradition, which ye have delivered: and many such like things do ye.

Regards
DL

 

[vortech]

You already know this GB, but I feel as if a paradigm shift is in the cards, and when the dust settles there will be greater clarity, less noise than we are currently inundated with. Any institution that advocates their belief system as the one unquestionable truth straight from the mouth of the one true God will be increasingly associated with 'fake truth' as the awakening process continues. The only belief I hold is that spiritual institutions ought to encourage people to find their own personal truth, keep an open mind and listen to other perspectives but make conclusions oneself. Also, institutions' jobs are to give their congregations access to ample tools for lighting their path. Even if the bible is truly a divine synthesis, how many ways are there to interpret it? How many ways to twist the word of God to serve your own agenda? Even a divine work can not escape Man's corrupted hands. Consider how many different denominations of Christianity exist, and different branches within each.

 

[-=SS=-]

I wish you luck and a safe return, when you spread this insight to the Islamic community.

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

You already know this GB, but I feel as if a paradigm shift is in the cards, and when the dust settles there will be greater clarity, less noise than we are currently inundated with. Any institution that advocates their belief system as the one unquestionable truth straight from the mouth of the one true God will be increasingly associated with 'fake truth' as the awakening process continues. The only belief I hold is that spiritual institutions ought to encourage people to find their own personal truth, keep an open mind and listen to other perspectives but make conclusions oneself. Also, institutions' jobs are to give their congregations access to ample tools for lighting their path. Even if the bible is truly a divine synthesis, how many ways are there to interpret it? How many ways to twist the word of God to serve your own agenda? Even a divine work can not escape Man's corrupted hands. Consider how many different denominations of Christianity exist, and different branches within each.

The intelligent view you show is a rather good description of what Gnostic Christianity teaches. As esoteric ecumenists, we live by what you recommend.

I wish you luck and a safe return, when you spread this insight to the Islamic community.

Islam, when and where they allow apostates to live, also have Gnostic Muslims. Admittedly, there not that many Muslim majority countries that allow apostates to live as they are not interested in people recognizing the Fake News that their clearly are spouting.

Regards
DL

 

[Xorkoth]

I wish you luck and a safe return, when you spread this insight to the Islamic community.

It seems rather discriminating to speak directly of Islam/Muslims when you say that, because it applies as much to any of the main religions at various points in time. It doesn't help to contribute to the us vs them mentality. A whole lot of Muslims aren't trying to be any more like this than anyone else.

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

It seems rather discriminating to speak directly of Islam/Muslims when you say that, because it applies as much to any of the main religions at various points in time. It doesn't help to contribute to the us vs them mentality. A whole lot of Muslims aren't trying to be any more like this than anyone else.

True but their ideology encourages a lot more of them towards the other side.

Islam/Sharia is at present the vilest ideology that I know of.

Regards
DL

 

[spacejunk]

the "vilest" ideology i know of is racism.

i have no time for religion personally, but i respect people's beliefs and their right to hold them, whatever they may be.
never really understood the whole "trying to convert people" thing - from either side of the religious/spiritual divide.

 

[Xorkoth]

It's the converting thing I really have a problem with. Christianity has done it probably more than any other, in the colonialism period, and also the Inquisition. Forceful conversion is a full-on crime, and being peaceful but pushy about it is annoying and inappropriate. Interestingly, the Mormons are very interested in converting you, but they do it in the nicest way. We were hanging out at my friend's house digging and transferring a ton (literally) of dirt, making garden beds, one day about 2 years ago, and two Mormon college-aged kids in suits came to the gate and asked if they could talk with us. They were really nice so we let them in. We started a conversation about beliefs and religion, and they started helping us with our manual labor. We ended up having really interesting and frank conversations about their religion and our beliefs, and they stayed for 2 hours, they didn't want to leave until we had finished the work. After that they left and thanked us for the conversations and gave us their contact info in case we had any more questions. Obviously none of us had any interest in converting to Mormonism, but they weren't upset about it. Really nice guys.

 

[swilow]

You already know this GB, but I feel as if a paradigm shift is in the cards....

For humanity, we cannot just wait for some magical change in consciousness to occur, we are running out of time and faith is not a good enough response to the crisis we face. We are floating here in the black void alone. No-one is coming to save us, things are not going to suddenly change unless we will them to change. Unless we actively change things through our actions.

 

[Username369]

Interestingly, the Mormons are very interested in converting you, but they do it in the nicest way.

I had some of the best conversations of my life with a couple mormon guys that went to college near where we hung out in my late teens. Not even about religion at all most times. When they realized we were always high and not psychos or anything they got super curious about drugs and wanted to know everything about them. One time we were high as fuck on LSD and one of them stayed for like 4 hours totally fascinated by how "at peace" we were (his words!) Shit I kinda miss those dudes now

 

[Gnostic Bishop]

the "vilest" ideology i know of is racism.

Racism is vile for sure but hating just one race is nothing compared to hating all but your own tribe and wanting to kill or convert all the rest.

i have no time for religion personally, but i respect people's beliefs and their right to hold them, whatever they may be.
never really understood the whole "trying to convert people" thing - from either side of the religious/spiritual divide.

Ouch and yuk.

Religions, especially the more immoral ones, love people who will let them do their evil without interference and while, like you, respecting their immoral beliefs and ways.

For evil to grow etc.

It's the converting thing I really have a problem with. Christianity has done it probably more than any other, in the colonialism period, and also the Inquisition. Forceful conversion is a full-on crime, and being peaceful but pushy about it is annoying and inappropriate. Interestingly, the Mormons are very interested in converting you, but they do it in the nicest way. We were hanging out at my friend's house digging and transferring a ton (literally) of dirt, making garden beds, one day about 2 years ago, and two Mormon college-aged kids in suits came to the gate and asked if they could talk with us. They were really nice so we let them in. We started a conversation about beliefs and religion, and they started helping us with our manual labor. We ended up having really interesting and frank conversations about their religion and our beliefs, and they stayed for 2 hours, they didn't want to leave until we had finished the work. After that they left and thanked us for the conversations and gave us their contact info in case we had any more questions. Obviously none of us had any interest in converting to Mormonism, but they weren't upset about it. Really nice guys.

Both Christianity and Islam have basically developed intointolerant, homophobic and misogynous religions. Both religions have grownthemselves by the sword instead of good deeds and continue with their immoralways in spite of secular law showing them the moral ways.

Jesus said we would know his people by their works anddeeds. That means Jesus would not recognize Christians and Muslims as hispeople, and neither do I. Jesus would call Christianity and Islam abominations.

Gnostic Christians did in the past, and I am proudlycontinuing that tradition and honest irrefutable evaluation.

For humanity, we cannot just wait for some magical change in consciousness to occur, we are running out of time and faith is not a good enough response to the crisis we face. We are floating here in the black void alone. No-one is coming to save us, things are not going to suddenly change unless we will them to change. Unless we actively change things through our actions.

I agree that man must rule and that to wait for a God to solve our problems is a ridiculous position to take.

Regards
DL

 

[vortech]

Gee, I wonder where Jews and Christians got the idea to be so intolerant?
Deuteronomy 13 lays it out pretty clearly.
"13 If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a sign or wonder, 2 and if the sign or wonder spoken of takes place, and the prophet says, “Let us follow other gods” (gods you have not known) “and let us worship them,” 3 you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The Lord your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 It is the Lord your God you must follow, and him you must revere. Keep his commands and obey him; serve him and hold fast to him. 5 That prophet or dreamer must be put to death for inciting rebellion against the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt and redeemed you from the land of slavery. That prophet or dreamer tried to turn you from the way the Lord your God commanded you to follow. You must purge the evil from among you.

6 If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. 9 You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people. 10 Stone them to death, because they tried to turn you away from the Lord your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery. 11 Then all Israel will hear and be afraid, and no one among you will do such an evil thing again.

12 If you hear it said about one of the towns the Lord your God is giving you to live in 13 that troublemakers have arisen among you and have led the people of their town astray, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods you have not known), 14 then you must inquire, probe and investigate it thoroughly. And if it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done among you, 15 you must certainly put to the sword all who live in that town. You must destroy it completely, both its people and its livestock. 16 You are to gather all the plunder of the town into the middle of the public square and completely burn the town and all its plunder as a whole burnt offering to the Lord your God. That town is to remain a ruin forever, never to be rebuilt, 17 and none of the condemned things[c] are to be found in your hands. Then the Lord will turn from his fierce anger, will show you mercy, and will have compassion on you. He will increase your numbers, as he promised on oath to your ancestors— 18 because you obey the Lord your God by keeping all his commands that I am giving you today and doing what is right in his eyes."

 

[Xorkoth]

Ouch.

Yeah, OT god. A real hard ass...

 

[vortech]

I wonder if Jesus was sent down for damage control when God realized humanity would destroy itself with that approach.

 

[Xorkoth]

I always thought it seemed very clear that Jesus was preaching against the entire OT.

 

[Boku_]

Correct me if i am wrong but back in ancient times didn't just the Chinese and Indians get together and decide to trick jews arabs and europeans into believing in a concept of God and a day of judgement at death followed by a afterlife in either heaven or Hell. I'm sure that's over simplifiing what happened in history but that's what a Japenese guy told me when i was staying at a hostel in Canada.

Basically the Jewish Christian and Muslim faiths are bullshit invented to give people morals. I may be wrong as i' m no history expert

 

[AddictRecon]

I always thought it seemed very clear that Jesus was preaching against the entire OT.

In Christian theology, Jesus is essentially the author of the OT, both the Spirit behind the Prophets, and God Himself speaking (preincarnate Christ, Isaiah 9:6).. What Christ preached against was hypocrisy within the very people He chose to bring about Gods will through. Thats why Jewish law is the foundation for morality, but Mosaic Law was enforced only within the Jewish population. For example, Jews wouldnt have went out looking for gentile homosexuals to stone, besides gentiles werent under mosaic law (unless they were practicing Jews or servants) Mosaic law was meant to keep the Jews pure and free from scrutiny, which of course they failed. Salvation was offered through Christ to the entire world, with a more in depth understanding which Christ came to give clarity on, as well as to pay for the sins of mankind Himself as prophesied by Isaiah.

Jesus summed up the entirety of the law in this.. Love God first and foremost, and love others as yourself.. Meaning that if you observe these two principles, that your morality would fall in line with God and you would not sin against God. The Jews failed miserably at this, they became dogmatic to the point of absurdity and corrupt, thats why they have been under constant judgement.

The Jews had to return to Israel before Christ can return and that only took place in recent history, which is why Christians are anticipating Christs return now more than ever, since the Jews are back in Israel, Christ can return, but there needs to be a pretty big war concerning Israel before Christ will return, the tensions in the middle east today are a precursor to that war.

Whats crazy is that the NT details the promised failure of the Church to adequately represent Christ, its why Christ rebukes the church in book of revelation, warning Christians to turn back to Christ or they will face the same judgement as the unbelieving world, more so because they knew the truth and discarded it.

If you have probably noticed, alot of Christians can be pretty vial and mean to the world they are claiming to try and save, often condemning people rather than loving them.. Its messed up..

 

[Xorkoth]

^^Indeed.

When I say Jesus was against the OT, I mean he was seemingly against all of the judgment, the stuff about stoning people to death, putting your spouse to death by your own hand if they incite you to believe in other gods... stuff like that. He seemed to suggest a nonviolent radically socialist viewpoint where we share resources, the rich give to the poor, and we love everyone, which goes wildly in the face of much of what is written in the OT.

Basically the Jewish Christian and Muslim faiths are bullshit invented to give people morals. I may be wrong as i' m no history expert

That's all religions actually, no one is "right", no one religion can possibly have the one answer. They were all, at the root, invented to impart morals and a sense of belonging to something greater, which humans really want to believe. It provided mythology to "explain" unexplainable things. This is the purpose it serves in society, it provides a sort of glue that holds people together. Unfortunately, religion is also used to corrupt and control the population by some, so it usually becomes something destructive and divisive eventually.

 

[swilow]

Correct me if i am wrong but back in ancient times didn't just the Chinese and Indians get together and decide to trick jews arabs and europeans into believing in a concept of God and a day of judgement at death followed by a afterlife in either heaven or Hell. I'm sure that's over simplifiing what happened in history but that's what a Japenese guy told me when i was staying at a hostel in Canada.

Basically the Jewish Christian and Muslim faiths are bullshit invented to give people morals. I may be wrong as i' m no history expert

Definitely fake invented bullshit but I've never heard that abrahamic religions originated like that. Do you have any sources for that?

 

[AddictRecon]

^^Indeed.

When I say Jesus was against the OT, I mean he was seemingly against all of the judgment

Have you read Matthew 25:31-46..? There is a context to the judgement that Christ is against. But there is also the final judgement which Christ will oversee Himself, a judgement that will affect every soul created, according to our theology.

In the OT, people were judging others for sins they themselves were guilty of, they just never had their dirty laundry out for others to see, yet stoned those who did.. Christ calls them hypocrites.. In our theology, Christ was the Word by which the commandments to stone came from. There cant be a disassociation between Christ and God in this regard, Christ is God, or ontologically speaking, the Image of God, and while He did fulfill the law, allowing for grace, making the mosaic law (for the Jews) void, it was in fact Christ by which those punishments were decreed in the OT, we simply refer to Him in the OT as the preincarnate Christ or YHWH. Thats what the Gospels are about, expounding on the law for clarity and simplifying something that many of the prophets already knew, David included. To be quite honest, Christ wasnt actually teaching the Jews anything that wasnt already undestood by Jews past, David is a great example of this. David did rightgeous works on the sabbath, which the pharisees of Christs day seem to have forgotten, yet were readily willing to stone Christ and His apostles for. Love your neighbor as yourself was a commandment right from Leviticus, Christ was merely quoting Himself.

This is our theological position on the matter, its not a cue to start an argument on whether its true or not, its just what the Bible teaches on the matter if one was to do an internal doctrinal critique.

I dont think Hinduism has a shred of truth or credibility for example, but If I spoke on Hinduism, I certainly would want to be clear on what Hinduism teaches so that I didnt misrepresent their beliefs and I would be grateful if someone brought further understanding if my view of it was otherwise inaccurate, or unclear. I think you understand what I mean, because that is all Im doing here.