Cocaine Should I let my friend try crack?

[Rio Fantastic]

Hello,

So I've been using crack sporadically for about eight months though. I use it about once or twice a month, and every time I do it I go on a binge, spending upwards of £100 a time. My great friend Damien who I've known for five years is often with me when I do it. He does a lot of drugs, but draws an arbitrary line at Class A drugs - the only Class A he's ever considered doing in the past is shrooms, which he does very occasionally. He smokes weed every day, and loves ketamine, benzos, tramadol but the only stimulant he's ever done in the past is ritalin which he didn't enjoy very much and amphetamine which he loved but is nigh on impossible to get where we live. He won't even do E because it's a Class A. So like I said I'm often with him on my crack binges, and although at first he disapproved completely and often tried to talk me out of it, his disapproval turned to acceptance and then eventually to curiosity. For the past week or two he's been nagging at me to get him some, and has even now offered me absurd amounts of money to do so (£50 for a £10 rock). But it isn't the money that's the problem for me, I just don't want to see him turn into a crackhead and ruin his life.

The thing is, he only sees the good part. He only sees me dancing around, talking at a million miles an hour, jumping for joy and describing the ecstatic pleasurable rushes I'm getting. I usually bounce when I'm nearly out, so he doesn't see me sweating my ass off at 2AM in the morning desperately calling round all my dealers trying to score another rock just to get one more hit and keep the buzz going for a little bit longer. He doesn't see me mad as hell when I can't score anymore, desperately trying to get some benzos or opiates or drinking vodka straight - anything to try and cushion the inevitable crash. I've tried to explain this to him but he doesn't really listen and is still begging me for it. I guess his viewpoint has changed because despite my semi-regular use, I still hold down a job and have some semblance off a social life and seem to have my shit together. But I know that doesn't mean it will be the same for him and I'd hate myself if he turned into a crack addict - he has a trust fund and so would be able to afford practically a limitless amount, and it looks like he could do really well in life, he's doing a masters degree in biochemical engineering, he has a girlfriend who he even has to hide his weed use from, and I don't want to see him fuck it up over crack. I'm the only way he's going to get it, none of his other friends even smoke weed and I can't see him copping off the street. Just wanted to ask you guys for a second opinion and see what you thought I should do - on the one hand, I don't want to see him fuck everything and it be solely my fault, but on the other hand he's a good guy, generally responsible and why should I withhold a potentially immensely pleasurable experience?

Any advice would be much appreciated, guys

 

[zzITCHY420zz]

hey man.. I am glad you at least asked for an opinion on this. of COURSE you shouldn't encourage or enable your friend to use crack..it's going to potentially destroy his life. I've struggled with crack for five years and it still has me stuck. I wish I had some more constructive advice but all I can say is, don't be the one to introduce that shit in his life...you and him (and his loved ones) would be forever thankful

 

[pinpoint]

You aren't his friend if you agree to introduce him to crack. He may be disappointed with you if you chose not to get him it, but I guarantee he will thank you later on in life. If he is offering you ridiculous sums of money to get it and he hasn't even tried it imagine what he will do once he gets a taste for the high. I've never heard any one say 'Gee whiz good buddy, I'm sure happy you got me into smoking crack!'.

 

[TheLostBoys]

Crack is wack..........

 

[[éS]Infinite]

Maybe bring him with you when you are going through the strenuous cravings after a binge so that he can witness first-hand what you are going through. I think that might hammer the point home for him that it's not an entirely positive experience.
Ultimately, it is his choice what he wants to do in life, but it's also your choice what you don't want to do and if you don't want to supply him then you absolutely shouldn't. No sense in feeling guilty and responsible for the rest of your life for something you can avoid.

 

[Nom de Plume]

Should you let your friend try crack? I'll imagine your query is legitimate and earnest and attempt an answer. But first, answer truthfully the following yes/no questions:

1) Is he a minor?
2) Are you his parent or court-appointed guardian?
3) Does he suffer from mental disability such that his decision-making ability is poor or underdeveloped?
4) Is his only means of acquiring crack through you?


If you answered "no" to question 3 and at least one other question (1, 2, or 4), then the answer is perfectly clear: You have no authority, prerogative, obligation, and—most importantly—no influence to allow or prevent your friend's crack use.

[let's play nice]

 

[QUARE]

I would recommend you to tell him NOT to take crack cause crack sucks but at the end its his choice.

 

[subotai]

sounds like he's gonna try it anyway

why not?

youve already set a bad example, might as well finish the job

 

[Rio Fantastic]

Should you let your friend try crack? I'll imagine your query is legitimate and earnest and attempt an answer. But first, answer truthfully the following yes/no questions:

1) Is he a minor?
2) Are you his parent or court-appointed guardian?
3) Does he suffer from mental disability such that his decision-making ability is poor or underdeveloped?
4) Is his only means of acquiring crack through you?


If you answered "no" to question 3 and at least one other question (1, 2, or 4), then the answer is perfectly clear: You have no authority, prerogative, obligation, and—most importantly—no influence to allow or prevent your friend's crack use.

I clearly stated I'm the only way he's ever going to be getting crack which makes it into a moral dilemma on my part as the decision as to whether or not he tries crack is entirely up to me. Of course if he planned on doing it and was getting it off somebody else it would be none of my business.

[let's play nice - vitriol removed]

 

[Numb19]

Have you considered that there is no predictable outcome for someone who tries crack. Meaning, that person might try it once and then turn into a complete crack addict (and it is extremely common for this to happen), maybe overnight, maybe in the long run, but you would have to hold some responsibility and accountability for that. If you're a friend, you would serioudly condier this.

The last thing you would want to do is also ruin a friendship by going from friends to crack buddies.

 

[kilo1105]

Bad idea! Smoking uppers is just as bad an idea as shooting them. Fuck smoking crack rock. Fuck smoking crank rocks too. If snorting the hydrochloride of either drug doesn't get a person ripped to the tits, it's time to give up and move on.

 

[sekio]

As soon as you cave in and give him any, to him you'll be marked forever as 'my mate who can get me rocks'. It's not a good plan at all. Anyone who fetishizes a drug too much should probably be held back from it for their own health and safety. Especially if they refuse to accept the possibility of negative effects.

If he's that desperate to get crack he would go out on the streets and fucking find it already. Doesn't mean you need to cut him any slack. And like you said, if you're what enabled him to turn into a crack addict, would you be able to live with yourself? At least if he does it of his own volition, the onus is on him.

Also, let's not call each other names. We're all respectful adults here.

 

[Doldrugs]

Avoiding drugs based on their class or schedule is ridiculous. There's no correlation between drug safety/addiction potential and how your government classifies that drug.

I agree that you should not give your friend crack.

 

[sailor bugg]

I remember when my one of my go's introduced me to cocaine. Yea I wish I never met her to this day and once me and my gf tried to and succeeded in tricking her into thinking we bought her coke when it was heroin and she had no opiate tolerance. Yea we both hated her. So I wouldn't give him crack, not a good idea.

 

[Billard]

well u say he's a great friend of ur's so no dont do it.. u dont wanna be responsible for him becoming a crack head trust me. and u said ur his only source so once he tries it i hope ur ready for all the 3 am phone calls and the million texts he's gonna send u all day untill u get him more. and u said u smoke sometimes so u should know. i guess its all on u but u gotta understand how it could possibly effect ur friendship in the long run, like maybe if u stop getting him crack maybe he wont wanna talk to u no more or something i dont know but its a bad idea all around just tell him u stoped or ur source stoped n if he sees u bouncing just tell em u took a adderall or something lol

 

[Billard]

also, great idea, like somebody else above me already said just bring him over when ur done with a binge n show em its not all fun n games n seeing u like that shld give em his answer.

 

[Nom de Plume]

To the moderator who edited out a portion of my post: I do apologize if I transgressed any of this forum's rules of conduct. I sometimes compose my posts such that their tenor connotes sardonic banter. Sometimes, perhaps I lather it on too strongly and a jocose taunt may be perceived negatively. But please be aware that, in my case, it's much more likely the seemingly scurrilous remark is tactless teasing. Now, then...(yawn)

I clearly stated I'm the only way he's ever going to be getting crack [...]

You may have clearly stated it, but clearly stated malarkey is still malarkey. Like a clearly visible thing is no less the thing it clearly is by virtue of its clear visibility.


And so, you mean there's such a dearth of crack in your neck of the woods that you've managed to corner the market to such an extent that you're effectively the only person to which a fiend or friend must turn to?


I've lived in the U. S. of A for some years now and have resided in most of its regions. A salient axiom of America's drug market is that crack dealers can be found in every town, large or small, and in every neighborhood, decent or decrepit.


And you claim to live in a crack-free community, but yet you can still get crack to give to other people? How does that work? Do you drive to the nearest city replete with crack, buy some, and return home only to ponder what to do with it or to whom to sell it?


You don't likely have 200 acres of coca leaves that you convert to cocaine and thence crack. So, you have had to find it or get it from someone else. If you bought it from anonymous dope man X, I assure you he didn't just conjure it into reality with a wave of the hand and an "abracadabra". He just bought some from anonymous dope man Y or either got some coke and crackified™ it.


Unless you live in another spatial dimension, you are either an arrant prevaricator, a Walter Mitty doppelgänger, immoderately nescient and unaware of crack's ubiquity, or you have a proclivity to overestimate your own significance in the crack market.

which makes it into a moral dilemma on my part as the decision as to whether or not he tries crack is entirely up to me.

The latter assumption, it seems, was true! Indeed, you do have a proclivity to overestimate your own significance. So not only are you the King of Crack in your community and have managed to single-handedly monopolize and maybe even patent and trademark the drug in your area, but you also claim to be responsible for who does or does not use the drug. As you have the god-like puissance to make someone do something without putting them under duress.


Moreover, I find it outré that one cogitates the ethics of dealing crack, but not the purchasing of it—which provides the dealer more outlay to augment his quantity of crack and thus sell more of it to more people.


Also, possessing crack and telling everyone so is not unethical, but sharing it is. Huh.

Of course if he planned on doing it and was getting it off somebody else it would be none of my business.

Then just don't sell it to him. Problem solved. You seem to be totally ambivalent. You want to profit on turning your friend out but lack the gumption to do it with a clean conscience.


And so your idea is to make this thread and solicit people's opinions to either a) lessen the consternation and regret of transmogrifying your friend into a strung-out addict bartering blowjobs for another buzz, or b) feel secure and copacetic in having not the sold the friend the crack.


The ethics seems to be inconsequential in your dilemma. Instead, you need a consensus; the most popular suggestion proffered in this thread provides your druthers, not your patent pretext of ethics.

 

[Rio Fantastic]

To the moderator who edited out a portion of my post: I do apologize if I transgressed any of this forum's rules of conduct. I sometimes compose my posts such that their tenor connotes sardonic banter. Sometimes, perhaps I lather it on too strongly and a jocose taunt may be perceived negatively. But please be aware that, in my case, it's much more likely the seemingly scurrilous remark is tactless teasing. Now, then...(yawn)




You may have clearly stated it, but clearly stated malarkey is still malarkey. Like a clearly visible thing is no less the thing it clearly is by virtue of its clear visibility.


And so, you mean there's such a dearth of crack in your neck of the woods that you've managed to corner the market to such an extent that you're effectively the only person to which a fiend or friend must turn to?


I've lived in the U. S. of A for some years now and have resided in most of its regions. A salient axiom of America's drug market is that crack dealers can be found in every town, large or small, and in every neighborhood, decent or decrepit.


And you claim to live in a crack-free community, but yet you can still get crack to give to other people? How does that work? Do you drive to the nearest city replete with crack, buy some, and return home only to ponder what to do with it or to whom to sell it?


You don't likely have 200 acres of coca leaves that you convert to cocaine and thence crack. So, you have had to find it or get it from someone else. If you bought it from anonymous dope man X, I assure you he didn't just conjure it into reality with a wave of the hand and an "abracadabra". He just bought some from anonymous dope man Y or either got some coke and crackified™ it.


Unless you live in another spatial dimension, you are either an arrant prevaricator, a Walter Mitty doppelgänger, immoderately nescient and unaware of crack's ubiquity, or you have a proclivity to overestimate your own significance in the crack market.





The latter assumption, it seems, was true! Indeed, you do have a proclivity to overestimate your own significance. So not only are you the King of Crack in your community and have managed to single-handedly monopolize and maybe even patent and trademark the drug in your area, but you also claim to be responsible for who does or does not use the drug. As you have the god-like puissance to make someone do something without putting them under duress.


Moreover, I find it outré that one cogitates the ethics of dealing crack, but not the purchasing of it—which provides the dealer more outlay to augment his quantity of crack and thus sell more of it to more people.


Also, possessing crack and telling everyone so is not unethical, but sharing it is. Huh.





Then just don't sell it to him. Problem solved. You seem to be totally ambivalent. You want to profit on turning your friend out but lack the gumption to do it with a clean conscience.


And so your idea is to make this thread and solicit people's opinions to either a) lessen the consternation and regret of transmogrifying your friend into a strung-out addict bartering blowjobs for another buzz, or b) feel secure and copacetic in having not the sold the friend the crack.


The ethics seems to be inconsequential in your dilemma. Instead, you need a consensus; the most popular suggestion proffered in this thread provides your druthers, not your patent pretext of ethics.

Oh my, clearly you think that your verbosity and loquacity is a substitute for logic and making sense, and indeed, basic reading comprehension.

You may have clearly stated it, but clearly stated malarkey is still malarkey. Like a clearly visible thing is no less the thing it clearly is by virtue of its clear visibility.


And so, you mean there's such a dearth of crack in your neck of the woods that you've managed to corner the market to such an extent that you're effectively the only person to which a fiend or friend must turn to?


I've lived in the U. S. of A for some years now and have resided in most of its regions. A salient axiom of America's drug market is that crack dealers can be found in every town, large or small, and in every neighborhood, decent or decrepit

Again I restate, perhaps you should try *reading* my post before trying to slate me. I live in the UK, as should have been evident from the fact that I repeatedly referred to our classification system. I live in a small suburban town and crack isn't very prevalent here, and as I'd of hoped you should have also gathered if you possess a modicum of intelligence and actually read my post, he clearly for the moment can't get it anywhere else or he wouldn't be begging me to get it for him and offering me absurd amounts of money to do so.

You don't likely have 200 acres of coca leaves that you convert to cocaine and thence crack. So, you have had to find it or get it from someone else. If you bought it from anonymous dope man X, I assure you he didn't just conjure it into reality with a wave of the hand and an "abracadabra". He just bought some from anonymous dope man Y or either got some coke and crackified™ it.


Unless you live in another spatial dimension, you are either an arrant prevaricator, a Walter Mitty doppelgänger, immoderately nescient and unaware of crack's ubiquity, or you have a proclivity to overestimate your own significance in the crack market.

Again, maybe you should try reading my post. I assure you crack isn't as pervasive in my area as it is in in urban USA, and indeed if it was so easy to get, he wouldn't be pestering me repeatedly to get it for him. I don't see myself as the sole provider of crack in my neighbourhood, humbly bestowing my golden, inimitable connection unto the crackless masses, common sense just tells me that he can't get it from anywhere else at this time, as you should have also gathered from reading my post, and perhaps you would have had you not of just read the title and felt outraged by my hypothetical brazeness at meddling in my friend's affairs. I respect the fact that upon realising your mistake you are now making leaps and bounds to try and justify your original condescenion though rather than just slinking off to patronise somebody else, however.

The latter assumption, it seems, was true! Indeed, you do have a proclivity to overestimate your own significance. So not only are you the King of Crack in your community and have managed to single-handedly monopolize and maybe even patent and trademark the drug in your area, but you also claim to be responsible for who does or does not use the drug. As you have the god-like puissance to make someone do something without putting them under duress.

I am astounded at how you still haven't managed to grasp this simple fact, so I'll repeat it again. For this one paticular friend I am indeed currently the only person who can get him crack. I don't know why you have stretched this to imply that I'm the only person who can get crack in my entire district. Since you have so much difficulty in grasping the point I'll repeat what I said in my original post and try to elaborate further to try and dispell this fantasy of yours that I have the gall to think I'm the only provider of crack in my neighbourhood - none of his other friends even smoke weed, he mostly moves in circles where recreational drug use is taboo, so without me he would have to essentially start from square one in finding a source for crack. I understand that you assume that everyone lives in the USA and the repeated mention of the British classifcation system and the clearly labelled "Location" bar under my name wasn't enough to hint to you that I'm not American, I'll repeat it - I live in the UK. Here, ghetto areas where one can stroll into and procure crack and heroin are not as prevailing as in the USA, so it would be somewhat difficult for him to get crack without me.

Moreover, I find it outré that one cogitates the ethics of dealing crack, but not the purchasing of it—which provides the dealer more outlay to augment his quantity of crack and thus sell more of it to more people.


Also, possessing crack and telling everyone so is not unethical, but sharing it is. Huh.

You really see no distinction in the morality of purchasing crack for yourself, telling people that you partake in crack, and directly providing someone with it when they have no other means of getting it? Huh. The grey areas of your morality are clearly a lot more comprehensive than mine, and indeed, most people I know of. I've in fact never heard of a drug user who sees purchasing drugs for themselves as an immoral action. May I ask if you yourself do any so-called "hard drugs" - i.e. methamphetamine, crack or strong opiates?

Then just don't sell it to him. Problem solved. You seem to be totally ambivalent. You want to profit on turning your friend out but lack the gumption to do it with a clean conscience.

Again I find myself repeating my original post because you lack basic reading comprehension or have yet to do me the basic courtesy of reading my original post before launching into a tirade of criticism! It is not at all about the money! Despite the ridiculous sums he has offered me to get it for him, I have still so far refused, and if I were to provide it with him (which, admittedly, I am now against entirely, partly persuaded by the posts in this thread) I would have only wanted to be reimbursed for what I had spent.

And so your idea is to make this thread and solicit people's opinions to either a) lessen the consternation and regret of transmogrifying your friend into a strung-out addict bartering blowjobs for another buzz, or b) feel secure and copacetic in having not the sold the friend the crack.


The ethics seems to be inconsequential in your dilemma. Instead, you need a consensus; the most popular suggestion proffered in this thread provides your druthers, not your patent pretext of ethics.

I am not just looking for a consensus, the entire thread was just to gauge what people thought of the morality of the decision in order to help me decide. I wasn't totally ambivalent about it at all, I was greatly inclined towards not giving it to him, as I have been steadfastly refusing to do for the past couple of weeks, it has only been in the last day or two I've been wondering if it's an experience I should continue denying him, considering he's an adult and he could use it somewhat responsibly like I do, and indeed, the range of people's opinions on the ethics of the situation has clarified the inner debate for me - ranging from the extremely sensible & rational ("you'll be marked forever as 'my mate who can get me rocks'...Anyone who fetishizes a drug too much should probably be held back from it for their own health and safety) to the bizzare (buying crack for yourself is just as immoral as handing a rock of crack to your friend who can't get it elsewhere).

That aside though, I must say your vocabularly is enviable and impressive, so kudos on that.

 

[Crankinit]

That aside though, I must say your vocabularly is enviable and impressive, so kudos on that.

Perhaps, but he doesn't seem to realize that knowing a lot of big words isn't a substitute for knowing how to use those words properly. His post is borderline unreadable.

considering he's an adult and he could use it somewhat responsibly like I do

You don't. Your use doesn't sound responsible at all, just occasional. Firstly, you said it yourself ''every time I do, I go on a binge.'' Binging by definition isn't responsible. Secondly, a responsible user (or at least as responsible as a user who binges can be) would obtain something to cancel out the crash before starting to smoke, and would take this something as soon as his stash runs out instead of setting off dealer's phones at 2am or putting himself in the position of scrounging around for pills to take or booze to drink or anything to soften the comedown. And I wonder what percentage of your disposable income that £100 is - my guess is that it's considerable. And given your lack of responsibility, I imagine that your use will become less occasional as time goes by and you increasingly reroute the pathways in your brain that are the reason crack makes you feel so great (and so awful).

Most addicts think their use is responsible 8 months after first initiating it (especially when it's occasional, which allows them to waive the responsible part even further because it gives the illusion of control). It often takes years for full blown addiction to set in, and slightly longer to see through their denial and realize that it has done so. Or more simply - it's early days, and you're already slipping, step back and examine yourself because to me you look like a prime candidate for a full blown habit in a a year or three. Something to think about.



As to the moral question, IMO to give him crack sounds like a disaster in the making. People who enthusiastically seek out addictive drugs are the ones who tend to become addicted to them, in my (personal and observational) experience, especially given his financial situation and his misconceptions about the nature of crack use.

Yes, he's an adult with free will, but if it is true that he's unlikely to take crack unless given it by you, then you're the one making the decision which will have a direct and major effect on his life, and the life of his girlfriend, and his family, and his other friends. At the least, they have to deal with his crack use and likely addiction, quite likely some of them they end up dealing with their own when he shares with them what you've shared with him (especially the girlfriend, once the boyfriend starts, it's not long till the girlfriend is right there beside him. Next most likely candidate is friends or brothers). Just ask yourself whether that's the future you want to play a part in creating, or whether you want your decisions to play a part in creating a future where your friend doesn't go through the terrible crashes and fiending you've gone through, where he doesn't quite likely become a full blown addict and trash his life and the life of his girlfriend and friends and force his family and their families to deal with the fallout.

Think about the long term, flow on effects of the decision that you are the one ultimately making. Too often we drug users write off our own moral culpability for the effect our decisions and actions have on the people around us and the people around them in the name of the free will of others.

 

[southeast]

I'm a heroin addict and crack scares the shit out of me... I've seen binges that last for weeks, people lose their entire lives in months, lose their families, go to jail... Your struggle sounds real enough, your friend should stick to k.