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Opioids Short taper to get off 2 month Heroin relapse - Methadone or Suboxone

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EatClenTrenHard

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Some of you may remember my methadone detox thread a few months back. I should check the dates just out of curiousity to see how long it's been since i've been on methadone.. Anyways, i've been using more and more ever since that relapse unfortunately, and have made several recent attempts with suboxone to get sober. It just doesn't seem to be working as well as it used to. 1mg used to make me feel great if i remember right, but now 2mg only takes away about 50% of withdrawals. Precipitated WD's scare the living shit out of me so i've just been starting with .5-1.5mg before taking any more, but haven't made that plunge past 2mg, though i suppose that might be necessary to feel great off the suboxone and not want to use dope on top to feel normal.

I've stupidly been using after each time i take suboxone to eliminate the rest of w.d's cause it still sucked, but next time i'm just gonna take the chance and try taking 4mg.

Anyways, i want to do a short taper. NO maintenance. I can't afford it.


Would love to hear anyone and everyone's opinion as to the most painless short taper.

THANKYOU!

 
^Suboxone does get harder to use over time, if you've been jumping back and forth between bupe and heroin, or taking them together like you've been doing...

I'd wait as long as you can stand the withdrawals and start with 4 mg....

So, daily dosages:

4mgs
2mgs
1.5 mgs
1 mg
1 mg
.5 mg
.25(could stay here for a few days, but you're better of just jumping)

Anything else you use during your taper will make a huge difference too...like clonidine, benzos, gabapentin, etc. You definitely want to have some other meds to do it right...

We did extensively cover your last detox attempt over multiple threads, and I think by now you should have a good idea of a few different methods you could use.
 
I'm in the exact same boat 2 month's on H, got on sub's at 4mg, 2mg, 2mg then jumped it was to early and I couldn't make it so I relapsed on the H. So now I'm starting over at a 6 day taper at 8, 4, 2, 1, .5, .25, what's weird is my first addiction when I got off h I started at 2 mg and that was fine, and this time I started at 4 and it wasn't enough unless I took it to early I waited 25 hours, think I am going to wait atleast 30 this time.
 
We pretty much exhaustedly covered your situation in your last thread.. and from what I can see, nothing has changed besides you've been doing even more heroin.. so all of our advice from that thread still stands.. everyones going to tell you the same things now as they did then.
 
I disagree.


The purpose of my last thread was to find out the length of withdrawals following the cessation of methadone. (((((how long are methadone withdrawals))))

The purpose of this thread is to find out what everyone's opinion on the easiest (short) detox from heroin. ((((how to get off heroin with a short taper))))



Completely different. Maybe I or someone asked a similar question within the many pages, my bad if so, but i'm not sure... i don't think i did..


but that being said, i'm sure many would like to hear answers incase they haven't seen a similar thread lately.

So. What's YOUR opinion as to the most painless short detox then scag?
 
I mean, this that question really has been answered a million times here, man. Haha. We have hundreds of those threads where detailed discussion was done where I have personally answered that, including to you. Hah.

Unless you had a really large habit, I would not recommend methadone. Do a week long bupe taper. With your habit, and what you described, you probably wont need more than 4-6mg's. But even if you pushed it to 8 to be totally comfortable..then just start decreasing your dose by 25% or whatever each day, until you get down to around .25, then stop. That's pretty much the least painful short detox you'll get.
 
Btw, when i do dope and get a decent nod going, sometimes i'll awake by jolting, sometimes dangerously towards the things around me lmfao! Atleast 10 times an hour maybe 20 depending on how good my nod is. Does anyone know why this is ???

I remember back in school days, whenever i fell asleep in class i would usually wake up by jolting, more often than not if i remember right.
 
When ive gone to detox and stopped heroin then switched to bupe for 7 days they would always have us starting at
Day 1- 8mg
Day 2-8mg
Day 3-6mg
Day 4-4mg
Day 5-2mg
Day 6-1mg
Day 7- nothing

Whenever I've done this after the sub wear's off I felt hardly any symptoms just abit of stomach trouble and sensitivity to cold for about a week. Nothing like stopping a decade long methadone habit or heroin cold turkey. Its only reall hard to be off sub's when you've taken them too long or abused them taking it multiple times a day.
When done like how they do in detox its very much a good experience when compared to other opiate detoxes. I could have worked and functioned fine all through the taper if I had the suboxone myself I wouldn't have needed the detox facility. I even went back to work the next day.
Such a change from cold turkey detoxes using only clonadine and Valium it was still very much a painful process. Lucky suboxone came to Canada 2 years ago. Seemed like a miracle drug at first I didn't even know it was an opiate.
 
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EatClenTrenHard said:
Btw, when i do dope and get a decent nod going, sometimes i'll awake by jolting, sometimes dangerously towards the things around me lmfao! Atleast 10 times an hour maybe 20 depending on how good my nod is. Does anyone know why this is ???

I remember back in school days, whenever i fell asleep in class i would usually wake up by jolting, more often than not if i remember right.
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That's just how nodding usually works.. you do it in odd positions like sitting up, with your head flopping around and shit, so then a sudden movement "jolts" you awake.

trainspotter10102 said:
When ive gone to detox and stopped heroin then switched to bupe for 7 days they would always have us starting at
Day 1- 8mg
Day 2-8mg
Day 3-6mg
Day 4-4mg
Day 5-2mg
Day 6-1mg
Day 7- nothing
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Yeah a taper like that would be fine. There are many ways to do it. Only thing is I would come off at a lower dose than 1mg. The withdrawals become a lot easier IME, in the sub-miligram range. .25mg's is the sweet spot for a lot of people and after a short week long taper, often results in very minimal withdrawal symptoms.
 
Yes getting Lower would be great even easier most of my buddy's when they get out of detox they do subs at home if they have some for another couple days getting down to .25 or so. But for some reason in detox they always jump you off at 1mg but it wasnt troublesome at all. I don't think they really realise how strong bupe is or that micrograms can even be effective mabye that's why they do that or who knows mabye its just quicker to get us out of there and get somebody else on the waiting list in the bed. All I know is its 100 times easier than cold turkey.
 
^^

Yeah you're right. In detox and with private doctors, they seriously underestimate the power of bupe and how rough the withdrawals can be, and they take you off at 1mg and sometimes even 2mg's, which is just ridiculous.
 
Like Scag said, I wouldn't recommend methadone to anybody but long-term, repeat offender IV high-dose heroin/opioid-addicts. (Been on 70mg methadone for almost a yr)

Short taper with bupe should be easy.
 
Yes that's obviously happening too much with sub docs they don't know how strong of a drug they ate giving out cause you still see so many people coning on here saying they have been on 24 or 32 mgs a day for 8 years and the doc never told then if they tapered they could've been taking 2mgs and gotten the same effects as 24 or 32 mgs without the nasty side effects that comes with high doses.
 
I think starting a taper at 8 is even a bit high, if you're trying to avoid the long bupe withdrawal in the end...but if you're accepting the inevitable long length of withdrawal, taking your time to get as low as possible and still relatively comfortable should be top priority...
 
^^^Yea your right in sure lots of people could have got by with half thatbut I guess they would rather overmedicate than under to make sure the patient is at a comfortable level to start off with or else the whole taper is really crappy. If their only on it for a week I'm sure it won't really prolong anything though not like you take that high a dose for months or yearsblike some people do
 
So is everyone in agreement that methadone is no good for a short taper or something?

When i was in treatment they gave me 30 mg and tapered me off by the 16th day, and 5 days later the w/d's still werent bad at all, so maybe it would've bneen like that for a week or so before returning to normal, in which case would've been a very sucessful detox, but i decided on the 5th day to catch a buzz with suboxone so they prescribed me it -_-. 2 months of shittiness when i tapered myself off..

I wish i knew because methadone makes me feel a lot better to be on than suboxone
 
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