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Shooting pills?
- Thread starter westilina
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Plague Bearer
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I don't know the specifics but apparently the stuff they use to bind the pills means banging pills could be dangerous.
BigTrancer
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This can be done, however there are a couple of issue which suggest that this might be inadvisable.
Firstly, the an average pill weighs 250-300mg, of which usually less than 30% is active ingredient. This means that the majority of the bulk is made up of fillers and binders. Some of these can be filtered from the dissolved injection mixture, but there are risks associated with injecting these compounds and contracting a systemic infection or having the binders fall out of solution in vivo.
Secondly, pills may contain adulterants that are unsafe to inject (over and above the binders and fillers). Erowid notes that "It is common when buying MDMA to get a combination of any of the following : MDMA, MDA, MDE, Caffeine, Dextromethorphan, Ephedrine, Glyceryl guaiacolate, and phenylpropanolamine. A chemical analysis of a variety of 'hits' of MDMA found from 0 - 100 mg of MDMA as well as a variety of the above substances."
If you choose to inject MDMA, there would probably be less risks associated with obtaining a sample of MDMA powder for injecting. This should contain fewer adulterants than may be found in pills, and it is easier to measure the correct dose. When injecting, you bypass the body's filtration systems and introduce whatever is in the syringe directly into the blood. Also worthy of mentioning is that you will need far less dose of MDMA when using IV as the administration route. Whilst the oral dose range for common MDMA effects is approximately 75 - 125 mg, the optimal dose for IV could be as low as one-third of this.
Take care, BigTrancer
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Firstly, the an average pill weighs 250-300mg, of which usually less than 30% is active ingredient. This means that the majority of the bulk is made up of fillers and binders. Some of these can be filtered from the dissolved injection mixture, but there are risks associated with injecting these compounds and contracting a systemic infection or having the binders fall out of solution in vivo.
Secondly, pills may contain adulterants that are unsafe to inject (over and above the binders and fillers). Erowid notes that "It is common when buying MDMA to get a combination of any of the following : MDMA, MDA, MDE, Caffeine, Dextromethorphan, Ephedrine, Glyceryl guaiacolate, and phenylpropanolamine. A chemical analysis of a variety of 'hits' of MDMA found from 0 - 100 mg of MDMA as well as a variety of the above substances."
If you choose to inject MDMA, there would probably be less risks associated with obtaining a sample of MDMA powder for injecting. This should contain fewer adulterants than may be found in pills, and it is easier to measure the correct dose. When injecting, you bypass the body's filtration systems and introduce whatever is in the syringe directly into the blood. Also worthy of mentioning is that you will need far less dose of MDMA when using IV as the administration route. Whilst the oral dose range for common MDMA effects is approximately 75 - 125 mg, the optimal dose for IV could be as low as one-third of this.
Take care, BigTrancer
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dont be so ignorant frqntflyr.
I'm not sure of the legistics, but I believe when you cook it up,there is a LOT of shit that gets in the way,
I believe entropope can give a good answer to this question. Your best bet is to find pure MDMA rock/powder. The purer the better (obviously this is harder than it sounds)
I'm not sure of the legistics, but I believe when you cook it up,there is a LOT of shit that gets in the way,
I believe entropope can give a good answer to this question. Your best bet is to find pure MDMA rock/powder. The purer the better (obviously this is harder than it sounds)
riichiee
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I can remember reading Phreex's post about IV MDMA one time..
I can't find it at the moment (it was a long time ago) but I can remember what the basic gist of it was -- it's way too overwhelming to be enjoyable..
Also a friend of mine has done this once (with powder) and does not recommend it.. he said it felt like he was melting - and not in a good way.
From all experiences I have heard of and read about there has not been one positive one about IV'ing MDMA..
I can't find it at the moment (it was a long time ago) but I can remember what the basic gist of it was -- it's way too overwhelming to be enjoyable..
Also a friend of mine has done this once (with powder) and does not recommend it.. he said it felt like he was melting - and not in a good way.
From all experiences I have heard of and read about there has not been one positive one about IV'ing MDMA..
Mr. Horse, i just visualised a greenlighter w/a bent spoon, some water for solvent, a cotton bud and a red ck, white elephant or some such - note the post was re: pills, not MDMA, and this is about harm reduction right?
mayhap i have little faith in me fellow brethren, but i doubt they'll actually bother to extract the active out of a pill prior to injection....oooh those little itty bitty bits o'binder that get stuck to the vascular walls..who knows, prove me wrong, westilina?
mayhap i have little faith in me fellow brethren, but i doubt they'll actually bother to extract the active out of a pill prior to injection....oooh those little itty bitty bits o'binder that get stuck to the vascular walls..who knows, prove me wrong, westilina?
Acid_Reign
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It should be noted that phreex is a madman and he shot a whole pill. One of the original green mitsubishis if i remember correctly. So he shot at least 100mg of mdma. Thats probably why it was overwhelming.
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You have to run as fast as you can just to stay where you are.
If you want to get anywhere you'll have to run much faster.
--Lewis Carroll
frqntflyr: I completely understand, but I would prefer, if this person WERE to do it, that he/she had accurate information, rather than jut a shit load of flames.
This board is for people to find info about this type of stuff, not to be told to rack off.
With that said, I think its a REALLY bad idea. They put MDMA into tablets for a reason....
This board is for people to find info about this type of stuff, not to be told to rack off.
With that said, I think its a REALLY bad idea. They put MDMA into tablets for a reason....
Just thought I'd mention that when the testing was done with MDMA for a truth serum the military used Intra Muscular injections. Much safer and slower release into the blood stream. There are better ways to do pills
Parachuting/Plugging. You could try snorting but it's probably a bit of a waste, not to mention the worst possible taste you can experience....
DB
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Sorry can't be fuct right now. There rarely ends up being any point when I post about this, so I'll wait till I have more time (ie no two exams in the next 3.5days)
For now I'll say it's worth looking up how to do it right. It'll be your "best pill ever!!"
Just do it right, do it with clean pills, or preferably pureish MDMA powder, if you do it with pills you MUST try them orally/anally/nasaly first, and you must know how to use IV cleanly and properly.
I know several people to have done this, some with some very suspect pills, that were largely binder... no problems experienced whatsoever... but we don't just dissolve in water and whack away.
For now I'll say it's worth looking up how to do it right. It'll be your "best pill ever!!"
Just do it right, do it with clean pills, or preferably pureish MDMA powder, if you do it with pills you MUST try them orally/anally/nasaly first, and you must know how to use IV cleanly and properly.
I know several people to have done this, some with some very suspect pills, that were largely binder... no problems experienced whatsoever... but we don't just dissolve in water and whack away.
eddi spgeddi
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wtf is going on here......
with MDMA it increases the uptake very slightly, the intensity increase is very marginal, the end result no different. this is not however the case with speedy pills.
mdma pwdr. the results are the same as to crushed pills.
i'm not into the science of it... but i'm sure plenty of people will add to this thread explaining "why is this so?" something to do with the path mdma takes via the liver, the production of enzymes and the convertion to seratonin.
where as speed is very instant,ie. you pull the syringe from your arm as it hits you.... mdma does not hit you straight away like this.
[This message has been edited by eddi spgeddi (edited 20 June 2001).]
with MDMA it increases the uptake very slightly, the intensity increase is very marginal, the end result no different. this is not however the case with speedy pills.
mdma pwdr. the results are the same as to crushed pills.
i'm not into the science of it... but i'm sure plenty of people will add to this thread explaining "why is this so?" something to do with the path mdma takes via the liver, the production of enzymes and the convertion to seratonin.
where as speed is very instant,ie. you pull the syringe from your arm as it hits you.... mdma does not hit you straight away like this.
[This message has been edited by eddi spgeddi (edited 20 June 2001).]
BigTrancer
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Acid_Reign: I've read PhreeX's post on IV use of MDMA (the title was something like "The PhreeX Files"), and he used 'pure' powder, and a measured dose thereof (something in the region of 50mg if I remember rightly, though I will attempt to dig up that post when the server issues are settled down). I believe his post recommends avoiding injecting dissolved pills for the reasons I've outlined above.
BigTrancer
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Call me stupid as I know it was! I have been experimenting IV with some top quality pills lately, started off with 1/4 then to halves and eventually a whole BB. Tried the good old apricot rolexes, yellow smilies, Double sided HQ. Being honest I dont find black testing pills overly intense but it really is a waste of a pill. I way prefer swallowing to any other method. Curiosity killed the cat they say and it nearly killed me, for some stupid reason I decided to do a 1/3 of a chalky green star that was mixed in with some white domes of recent. It tested bunk but I decided to do it even though I once swore I would never do anything that didnt test black. After filtering at least 5 times to be so called "sure" I was left with 5 units of merky whiteish greeny substance in the pick. I decided to go unit by unit slowly rather than blasting it all in incase it became to intense. After the first unit and a half I was completely overwhelmed by the most intense fucked up feeling I could ever imagine I pulled straight out and threw the pick. I remember thinking that this was the end, and that I had gone to far. Luckily after bout half an hour of hell I began to come back to some sense of normality! I truly believe that if I had blasted the lot I would have become a statistic, but at least a valuble lesson has been learned "DON'T FUCK WITH IV!!" ill be stickin to whip from now on!!
eddi spgeddi
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jazzman.
everthing was going well till u hit up the bunk mix .. yes?
i want to know more about the whole bb. did you think hitting it made any differences to:
1) the rate of uptake
2) the intensity of the e
3) the length of effects
my investigations has led me to believe its a waste of time and not greatly different to injestion. i'm not sure if your post was saying you also found similar results from your experiamentation.
[This message has been edited by eddi spgeddi (edited 02 August 2001).]
everthing was going well till u hit up the bunk mix .. yes?
i want to know more about the whole bb. did you think hitting it made any differences to:
1) the rate of uptake
2) the intensity of the e
3) the length of effects
my investigations has led me to believe its a waste of time and not greatly different to injestion. i'm not sure if your post was saying you also found similar results from your experiamentation.
[This message has been edited by eddi spgeddi (edited 02 August 2001).]
Eddi in reply to your post I wouldnt really draw a conclusion for everyone, but from my personal experience banging the pills as strange as it may sound has been nowhere near as intense as swallowing them! I have a strong feeling however that this is due to a ridiculous tolerance after swallowing usually a few a week for about the last year, if I had banged one of the first pills I ever took then I feel the experience would have been totally different, probably very intense. To but it in to perspective, double dropping HQ's only gives a mildish comeon and not even remotely close to say 2 halves of a good pill over a night when I first started. The first good pill I had was an apricot rolex taken in halves an hour apart and I can still recall the unbelievable intensity. Even though I think the HQs are probably a little stronger than them.
Anyhow im having a break from pills for a while as its becoming way to expensive!
People that I know, hovever, with out much tolerence that have IV'd halves of quality pills have found it extremely intense and usually not enjoyable, more of a frightning experience which is good in a way as it usually puts them right off IV ing pills.
Oh for there to be no tolerance...
Anyhow im having a break from pills for a while as its becoming way to expensive!
People that I know, hovever, with out much tolerence that have IV'd halves of quality pills have found it extremely intense and usually not enjoyable, more of a frightning experience which is good in a way as it usually puts them right off IV ing pills.
Oh for there to be no tolerance...
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blufluffybunny
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Shooting MDMA proved very hard for a friend of mine. To the point where it didn't happen for him. It turned to a goo of some sort and he ended up swallowing this brown shit (eewwwww) The stuff was MDMA, it was tested and tried. And others that have taken the risk and gone for the crushed pillz have said either avoid it or it's not worth it. And it is true, too many binders to risk going through the heart etc.
As someone said, it's the way MDMA goes through the body and starts the whole seritonin release, is not helped by bunting it.. so why bother.
I would say dont shoot anything
(pot to kettle...your black)
but if you are do some speed or Ice. K will fuck you up. BIG TIME. Wont kill you, it's the safest of them all (doctors advice) The worst that will happen is you will pass out.(once again, doctors advice) It's the feeling before that that is fucked up.
As someone said, it's the way MDMA goes through the body and starts the whole seritonin release, is not helped by bunting it.. so why bother.
I would say dont shoot anything
(pot to kettle...your black)
but if you are do some speed or Ice. K will fuck you up. BIG TIME. Wont kill you, it's the safest of them all (doctors advice) The worst that will happen is you will pass out.(once again, doctors advice) It's the feeling before that that is fucked up.