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Shared consciousness - A hypothesis of a possible cause to it's existence

^ Urrmmm.. Subjective evidence is the lowest form of evidence as proved by simple tests..

Man walks in room, says a few words, turns around.. what colour tie was he wearing?

A lot of if not most people will get it wrong.. their experience of events is unreliable.

But keeping to the spirituality side of things.. 1000's of people feel or even speak to Jesus / God. 100(0)s of people claim to have been abducted by aliens or believe aliens are interfering with their brains. 1000s of people no doubt felt the power of Mars or Zeus flowing through their veins. The devil told me to kill my kids! Sound familiar?

Remember Ninae?

I've felt and seen the aliens after smoking DMT, I've experience reality in it's true form after Nitrous Oxide and I've seen my mates eye ball fly off of his head and into the air while on (huge) doses of MDMA. Do the aliens exist? No. Was my experience of reality correct? No. Did my mates eye really fly off his face? Of course not.

So I'll happily and "childishly" believe things backed up by research and real world studies as being true, thank you.. but what's the opposite? Believing in an idea with no evidence or even some sort of reality based hypothesis as to how, what or why it exists to secure it to reality? Isn't that what some may call.. deluded?
 
Honestly Rick, just do what works for you. It has nothing to do with me. I wasn't talking about psychedelic experiences or Jesus freaks, you brought that up. But good to know you think that I'm en par with those kinds of people.

There are many things that science can't prove, but we assume it's real nonetheless. Selfhood is a good example. In the most heated debates with empiricists, the best I can get out of them is that selfhood is axiomatic, which is just a nice way of saying it's inherently there and that's that.

As for reality... last time I checked the brand of science you adhere to is material reductionist, which means it only exists to describe the physical world. If it was a be all and end all system, then why do we have other branches of humanities trying to explain reality? Don't even look to spirituality, what about philosophy?

Are you calling philosophers deluded for deciding that they believe reality is a certain way, even though science hasn't proven it yet?

No offense rick but you seem so incredibly attached to things being a certain way. There's a difference between being a scientist and NEEDING science to real / right. I mean, you spend half the time attacking stuff you haven't even tried just because someone else's research told you so. You seem to think I'm a spiritualist, whatever that means. Ok, let's say I am... do you think that means I just read any airy fairy new age book and assume its contents are not deluded? If you're a scientist then be a scientist... engage in the experience and then try to explain it. All this pseudo-skepticism is really tired.

I trust the analyses of people who don't seem so attached, whether they are spiritualists or scientists. People who are attached don't think clearly or honestly because they are co-dependent upon the end result being a certain way, which is precisely why they presume it's that way at the outset without relying on the actual experience.
 
Science is not materialist reductionism.. so.. no.

There are many things that science can't prove, or we will never be able to prove, you're right.. but the things we are discussing can be tested and therefore can be shown to be yay or nay.

I didn't mean to call you deluded i said it to make a point.. but whatever their belief of reality is it doesn't make it true just because they are a philosopher..

Well.. If i were to form an opinion on whether or not global warming was man made or even happening.. it's not like I'm going to go and invest in tons of measuring devices and wait a few decades to see if my 30 years of measurements show anything (seeing as I can't use historical data recorded in texts).. Come on that's just silly. When you buy a computer, do you not trust that it was made by people who knew what the fck the were doing? When you see an exposed live wire, what do you do? Why? Do you believe in DNA? Do you believe in other galaxies? In germs? Atoms?

Your attack on my belief in science is.. well.. weak. You believe in it too, until it contradicts your subjective beliefs, for which you have to evidence exist outside of your head.

I called you spirtualist because you are.. sorry.. but you are..

spiritualism
ˈspɪrɪtʃʊəlɪz(ə)m,-tjʊəl-/Submit
noun
1.
a system of belief or religious practice based on supposed communication with the spirits of the dead, especially through mediums.
2.
PHILOSOPHY
the doctrine that the spirit exists as distinct from matter, or that spirit is the only reality
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Sorry but I don't quite get your last paragraph.. Either that or you don't believe that yourself.
 
Just realised this is in my "shared consciousness" thread.. Yeah I'm so attached to accepted science i believe it possible people can *maybe* communicate "telepathically" :p Stop derailing my uber cool thread ya hippy :)
 
^ I'm also not a scientist, so I never claimed to believe in science until it no longer suits me. My epistemology is integral and based on years of truth seeking in many different systems.

My problem with any fundamentalist is that their rigid and aggressive views show little respect and trust for the innate intelligence that all human beings have. We each have our own self-verification processes through experiential learning which have served us in a multitude of ways that may or may not intersect with the processes of other people. But for a fundamentalist, this is not acceptable. You must qualify everything on their terms or they go into oppression mode and try to shut you down.

I really have no problem with scientists, or spiritualists, as a group. I respect them on the grounds that they are all truth seekers of some kind, and everyone is seeking truth because I think, at the core, it somehow provides an antidote to their suffering. It's just hard to deal with people's projections sometimes. They just assume that everyone is part of their reality and go on and on. It's like friends who call me on the phone to vent about their life circumstances, and they go on and on, not even pausing to realize that I'm not actually part of their reality or situation yet they assume I'm right there with them.
 
I believe this is possible, net necessarily because of some physical part of the brain (very possible though) but because I believe that we all come from the same source energy, the same "base" consciousness. Think of a field of mushrooms. The entire field can actually just be one organism, connected via webs under the surface of the ground. Similarly, I think we are all connected not on a physical level but on a spiritual level by a web of energy "under the surface of our visible reality" in a sense. In essence, we are all one consciousness experiencing the universe in many different ways with the ability to experience life with the seemingly separate, individuality that we feel in order to be fully immersed in this experience.
 
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