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Misc Serotonin Releasing drugs

Desohigh

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I searched in the site but couldn't find a reliable source or a guess with it.
I'm searching drugs that does not harm the serotonin system. Or a bit release that won't effect the natural production.
I know that Cocaine Ketamine dmt is releasing dopamine and a little bit serotonin but how about others?
Weed, GHB, Meth, 2c-b, mushrooms(magic truffles?), LSD and so on..
Any helps?

Note: I'm not asking any drug for personal use.
Just want to search for the neurotoxicity caused by serotonin release and which drugs cause it..
 
Significant serotonin releasers are AMT, MDMA, MDA, 4-MMC, Methylone off the top of my head.

Most psychedelics work by agonism of serotonin sites (5ht2a being a major one), not through serotonin release.

I'm sure there are a number of stimulants that have a minor releasing function but not as a primary function of their action.
 
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Correct on DXM. Its a non-selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor, not a releaser. That was a stupid mistake. :p

Methylone IS a serotonin releaser though. Its not as strong as MDA or MDMA but it does have serotonin releasing activity.

AMT is the most potent serotonin releaser as far as I've heard. I tried to order them by most to least.
 
Something as simple as neurontin (gabapentin) increases serotonin serum levels within the membrane. This is only achieved through staggered dosing, as the human body is a very inefficient system at processing it.
 
I thought DXM is actually a serotonin releaser aswell...Hmm. But it's effects on serotonin, wether realeaser or just reuptake inhibitor do not account for it's overall recreational effects as it isn't that potent.

Weed does not affect serotonin or dopamine either.

Methylone is a serotonin releaser.

Meth is also a serotonin releaser, although even less than methylone.
 
^ I have heard conflicting information about it.

I know DXM functions as a SERT and NET inhibitor for sure though. Its actually more potent a SERT inhibitor than most of its other effects except possibly its effects as an nAChR antagonist.

DXM has such a wild pharmacological profile that it wouldn't surprise me if there is more we don't know about it.

I mean they are investigating ways to use DXM for fibro pain. They're just running into a wall as far as what to do to reduce the side effects.
 
I thought Mdma was the biggest serotonin releaser, high europhia..
Methylone is somewhat lower than it, but worst hangover than mdma.
Didn't tried meth but my friends told me that the same effects going too much without ups and downs (same high for 6-8 hours), also a releaser.
So, People give breaks to replenish their serotonin system to recover from the drug.
But I don't understand Psychedelics like mushrooms or lsd or 2C-B, how they affect the serotonin system?
Because in coming up I feel like i'm rolling, then when it reaches to peak it leaves you to "wow" images.

In Ketamine, It doesn't release anything cuz I don't feel an europhia, maybe I become happy that I'm feeling the drug is started to effect my body.
Cocaine on the other hand is giving you high europhia for a few minutes and back to steady high.
So how we can compare what they're effecting? ( or how to make serotonin release / europhia percentage?)
 
AMT is the most potent serotonin releaser by a wide margin. You can get significant euphoria from AMT from as little as 30mg - I actually have a friend who 30mg is a strong +++ and she compares the euphoria very favorably with 130mg of MDMA. My dose is 50mg and I'd compare it to 150mg of MDMA but AMT lasts 16 hours and you have euphoria throughout.

You are confusing euphoria with serotonin release though. There are a number of routes that drugs induce euphoria, the primary routes are through a combination of serotonin, norepinephrine, and dopamine release/reuptake. Pure serotonin release has been demonstrated. Its rather boring without adding something to release NE and/or DA as well.

Psychedelics function by stimulation of specific sites in the brain (usually 5-HT2A is considered the most significant) by binding with the site in a fashion that would be similar to the agent. In this case, serotonin. A really simplified way to look at it is that the receptors are locks made for a specific key (the neurotransmitter). The drugs that act as agonists of 5-HT2A (most tryptamine, phenethylamine, and ergoline psychedelics function this way) actually partially fit the receptor, activating it but jamming it at the same time so the effect continues beyond what the normal limit would be and also prevent the parent neurotransmitter from being able to reach the site. I'm pretty sure that I just greatly over-simplified that and that it doesn't always work that way either.

There really are way too many ways that drugs exert their effects to categorize them by their functions as releasing agents, reuptake inhibitors, agonists, antagonists, etc. It is a large combination of activities on various receptors that mediates the effects of psychoactive drugs.

If you look into the structure of most of them, they actually closely resemble neurotransmitters in the brain. Tryptamines are pretty much all structurally similar to serotonin (DMT, AMT and 5-MeO-AMT are great examples), phenethylamines are structurally related to dopamine (if you compare molecules of the 2C series and dopamine, for example, it is very apparent and also amphetamine to dopamine as well), LSD is actually both. It has the phenethylamine backbone as part of the tryptamine structure (LSD is part of a class of drugs called ergolines that share this characteristic).

Mescaline is literally dopamine with 3 methoxy groups replacing the 2 hydroxyls on the benzene ring.

Ketamine, PCP, DXM, etc., have completely different actions and can't be compared to the rest. They function primarily as NMDA antagonists.

Note: I am not 100% on this stuff. I never went to school for it, I never even took organic chemistry, this is just a hobby for me. There is a chance that I got some of this wrong and one of the brains from the Neuroscience and Pharmacology forum will come in here and fix it but I thought I would give it a shot :p
 
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Psilocin,psilocybin,DMT,LSD, Mescaline and every empathogen all stimulate the serotonin subtype system 5-HT. Those are the recreational drugs that release serotonin, then of course there SSRIs,MAOIs and triptans.
 
^ That is very much false.

There is little to no release of 5-HT with most psychedelics.

Beat me to it, there is no serotonin release rather than agonise directly the serotonin receptors, 5HT2A being the crucial one for their effects.
 
MDAI is one hell of a serotonin releaser, it's a selective serotonin releasing agent (SSRA). To the best of my knowledge it is non-neurotoxic.
 
http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00176847

Please read this article detailing the stimulation of the 5-HT receptors induced by psychedelics.

Ummm... Stimulation = agonism, NOT release.

MDAI is one hell of a serotonin releaser, it's a selective serotonin releasing agent (SSRA). To the best of my knowledge it is non-neurotoxic.

MDAI is the one I was talking about that is pretty much exclusively a serotonin releaser. It is absolutely fantastic when you add something that has a dopamine or norepinephrine release to it (I found MDAI and methylone to have the "magic" of MDMA and it took mephedrone to another level as well) but it is somewhat lacking on its own.
 
MDAI is the one I was talking about that is pretty much exclusively a serotonin releaser. It is absolutely fantastic when you add something that has a dopamine or norepinephrine release to it (I found MDAI and methylone to have the "magic" of MDMA and it took mephedrone to another level as well) but it is somewhat lacking on its own.

While there is no conclusive evidence, there are speculations that combining MDAI with such compounds could result in neurotoxicity.
 
It wouldn't surprise me. The brain limits how much "fun" one can have with non-neurotoxic substances. LOL!

Well, apart from many psychedelics ;)

But MDAI on its own feels mostly like a strong antidepressant, heck, even the addition of caffeine made it much more enjoyable. At least it gave me the energy needed to go and grab some food from the fridge. MDAI is really sedating IME.
 
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