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Kratom Seeking HELP for Suboxone to Kratom Taper Plan

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Slayer0344

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Hey guys, long time lurker and recent new poster as I’m going through these big changes at the moment.

A little background on me, high functioning addict, I run a multi million dollar per annum business here in New Zealand and have a wife and 7 year old son who require a lot of energy.

I’ve been on subs for 1 year and was oxy at 100mg per day for a year before that for a chronic pain condition from my doc.i hated taking them and being high all day so i switched to subs I realised quickly 16mg of subs was way too much and dropped down to 2mg straight away and only sat there for a couple of months before dropping to 1mg. I just desperately want to be unchained from opiates all together I have no psychological dependence to them I hate them at this point it’s only physical.

I had stopped my subs yesterday hoping to go cold turkey but after swallowing a bunch of benzos all day and feeling like I’m fucking dying all over again it dawned on me that with all trying to manage my family life and my business I can’t deal with a long drawn out sub withdrawal timeline as well as possible benzo dependance addiction (I’ve come off benzos before and it’s absolutely hell worse than opiates)

Someone on here on another thread I made yesterday mentioned I try Kratom so I have two questions

1 - how much Kratom will I need to stop my withdrawals from 1mg subs

2. Will the Kratom make me high? (The reason I switched to subs is because I didnt want to be high all day it affected me running my business and I can’t be high all day and efficiently run a million dollar company it just doesn’t work

3. How quickly can I taper off the Kratom to avoid opiate withdrawal? I’ve never taken Kratom before so any advice would be very very appreciated and with Christmas being over and it being time for me to get back to work I’d almost pay someone for some decent guidance here,
 
1mg isn't very much, so it's absolutey possible that you could get significant relief from taking small-medium doses a few times a day. I'd reccomend starting with 5g, for the sake of starting low, and if you've been used to taking 100mg oxycodone there's a decent chance you won't even fill anything (although there is a lot of low quality kratom out there).

If you want to skip the process of titrating up to find your proper dose, and just get some damn relief in like thirty minutes, buy OPMS Black capsules. They have the highest 7-OH content I've found, as well as a lot of mitragynine and doubtless other unlisted alkaloids that make up this wonderful plant. Start with one on an empty stomach with a fizzy or hot beverage, and if you need to then keep taking them until you've got relief. They feel like a full opioid agonist, pinned pupils, gravely voice, I have even percieved some light respiratory depression.


They're not cheap at all, but if you're hurting then they're absolutely worth it, and at the right dose yes, they may make you high. I wouldn't take them for more than a week though, and never increasing the dose after your first day of taking them, and after tapering those down switching to ground leaf.
 
How quickly should I taper off I just want to basically skip withdrawal altogether and end up back at baseline
 
I took 3 months to taper from 1.5-2mg of sub. I worked the entire time but it wasn't pleasant. I suggest you don't replace sub with kratom, you'll just end up taking that all the time. My final sub jumping off dose was 1/32 of an 8mg sub. Each time you drop your dose it takes about a week to stabilize then you cut it some more. Had I not been working a full time job I probably would have quit faster. It's not pleasant but it is quite manageable with the right mind set. Again I advise staying away from the kratom, it will be a crutch.
 
RxVeritas said:
1mg isn't very much, so it's absolutey possible that you could get significant relief from taking small-medium doses a few times a day. I'd reccomend starting with 5g, for the sake of starting low, and if you've been used to taking 100mg oxycodone there's a decent chance you won't even fill anything (although there is a lot of low quality kratom out there).

If you want to skip the process of titrating up to find your proper dose, and just get some damn relief in like thirty minutes, buy OPMS Black capsules. They have the highest 7-OH content I've found, as well as a lot of mitragynine and doubtless other unlisted alkaloids that make up this wonderful plant. Start with one on an empty stomach with a fizzy or hot beverage, and if you need to then keep taking them until you've got relief. They feel like a full opioid agonist, pinned pupils, gravely voice, I have even percieved some light respiratory depression.


They're not cheap at all, but if you're hurting then they're absolutely worth it, and at the right dose yes, they may make you high. I wouldn't take them for more than a week though, and never increasing the dose after your first day of taking them, and after tapering those down switching to ground leaf.
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The reason they feel like an opiate is because they are.
 
So I think you’re underestimating my resolve here. All I want to do is use the Kratom to switch from bupe then quick taper off to avoid massive withdrawal symptoms as Kratom is weaker than bupe?

I’m going to do this no doubt about it I just want the guidance to do it the right way. I only want to take the Kratom for a week and a half max I just want to avoid the nastiest aspects of the withdrawal.

I can’t cold turkey the bupe I have too much going on personally and professionally to be able to realistically sit in bed for 2 weeks in withdrawal.
 
Yeah no, you’re wrong. Hundreds of people have done it which means so can I. Keep your negative bs to yourself
 
Slayer0344 said:
Yeah no, you’re wrong. Hundreds of people have done it which means so can I. Keep your negative bs to yourself
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only 1% of addicts end up quitting statistically, watch joey the gypsy's video on quitting heroin perhaps it'll help you
 
Slayer0344 said:
Yeah no, you’re wrong. Hundreds of people have done it which means so can I. Keep your negative bs to yourself
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I'm sorry to tell you but there is no magical taper without withdrawal so prepare yourself. most important is don't mindfuck yourself. most often your anxiety and imagination about wds is worse than the actual wds. you got some shitty days and nights ahead but that's all. it'll pass. Good luck.
 
ghostandthedarkness said:
I'm sorry to tell you but there is no magical taper without withdrawal so prepare yourself. most important is don't mindfuck yourself. most often your anxiety and imagination about wds is worse than the actual wds. you got some shitty days and nights ahead but that's all. it'll pass. Good luck.
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Bam right here I'd agree is the main ticket friend.

I have kicked way too many times and very few times intentionally and I can tell you with certainty that if your dwelling on it, your body's natural phydical response to any sort of stresser or fear is anxiety, which makes the head game mentality awful.

I recommend patting youself on the back look how far you have come within 2 years!! That first year was 100mg daily oxy! Then you got on subs and made the best decision to cut it way down to 2mg. You are doing much better than I am! I still go back to vicodin and oxy even while on subs just wasting my time drug of choice and money.

So like say today for instance, I took 2mg in the morning and then got lucky and rounded up about 240mg of oxy and yep wasted about 150mg just to really feel it..I should had waited a few days or AT LEAST 24HOURS. I mean look you don't want to be high, I obviously still kinda do.. I am a family man too but with a multi kajillion dollars in debt finally back at a former job that I consider a career but it's really not shit but better than other jobs..and I'm not the boss, my boss actually told me I can't be late, or call in because of a lot of things that went down with family and maybe 1 or 2 days called in because I was actually sick and delirious in WD with no comfort meds besides baclofen.
And I'm not prescribed anything I buy mine from long time good friends and old folks that I've dealt with since I was a teenager so I know it's from pharmacy, plus I already went through my honeymoon with fentanyl a handful of times..

FOCUS on how great you are doing. Continue to taper. You know you better than anyone else so when you are ready to jump, you will.

EXERCISE even if its just a hike on a trail just keep on stretching and maybe some light lifting.

PLAN on something to help you when or if shit even gets wicked at all( which you have already started thinking of Kratom)..Ibuprofen and Tylenol, yes benzos I always try to throw on my list..clonodine & some kind of muscle relaxer is great(and skelatal relaxants like trazadone) helps out ALOT.
Better throw gabapentin in there too I suppose all of these things can and will help and so does a little bit of ENERGY(there may be a day in the beginning where you can barely keep your head up, so grab some psuedophedrine(sp?) It works great for me plus I really do have allergies, I take the recommended dose sometimes one more extra..Adderall if I can find it but I try not to do that especially if I'm in the depths of a serious withdrawal, it makes shit worse when time for come down sooo if you plan on pseudo or Addy make sure to have something to mellow you out. MARIJUANA (the best drug in my opinion, gets you high as fuck to the point everyone will know lol) but yeah especially edibles, they gave great stuff out there that has helped me refrain from taking any benzo after work or any sort of downer.

I have had serious withdrawals on vacations and road trips..crazy part is, as nervous as I was, I had no choice but to just pop a few immodium(Loperamide) and smoke ganja and things weren't as debilitating as I thought it would be, plus finding something to keep your mind busy is also key.

Yes it's still going to be a withdrawal possibly mild if you taper correctly..if it does tend to be a severe withdrawal, there may be many moments where you feel it's damn impossible and want to give up, this shit craving only lasts 2-5 minutes. Drink plenty of water and eat good.

The OPMS Kratom might be your best bet, just a bottle or 2 for a pinch in the beginning to take the edge off while at work..idk for me the powdered capsules, powder, and leaf play a huge number on my gut activity(when in WD I seriously try to avoid)..I can't tell you how many times I had to take boat loads of kratom that I had stowed away for damn near 10-14 days for my paycheck to come and Ohhh Lord my stomach was so happy to clear that green shit out and of course get it's regular opioid appetite back...just saying you could take kratom at work and get by but then by 5pm and then again at midnight you will want to re-dose because you might be kicking a bit worse off then you actually were, just my experience..but don't get it twisted Kratom saves too!!

I know I sound like I have already been through it and been CLEAN but I am not, I have just been in unfortunate circumstances due to tapped out resources and lack of funds. I've just been going on around 15+ years of this shit. Making opioids a full time thing which is dumb and exhausting...

Sorry for the long post. I am notorious for this. But seriously one day you will wake up and be like, "Dang it's a Monday morning and I feel alright and haven't even taken my sub yet, I can handle this, it won't be too bad after all" this is in my opinion a low key signal for you to go for it and don't look back.

At the same time prepare for the worst, everyone gets fucked up sick once in awhile and that first week might be best to clear your work schedule and just chill and do a lil bit of exercise when you feel up to it..bad case of the flu may no one suspect the real agony or torture you are enduring. Explain to your family that Dad needs a time out to get well..ON THE OTHER HAND it's always important to stay positive and actually find the humor in how this all unfolds..you will be surprised trust me.


Other hacks you can read into is black seed oil, possibly memantine? And ULDN process(ultra low dose naltrexone) but not sure how well this would work with subs if at all, I think it may be more full agonist opioids or whatever.

My strategy is to stock up on vicodin or codeine something not as strong as let's say oxy and use this for a few weeks til the sub clears, then taper this or that.(because I fear that long extended WD you hear about from subsoxone as well; 3 days of hell sounds much better instead now).

Good luck. You can do this I believe anyone can, just takes time, patience and well not to trip back into the habit.
 
you can 100% get off the subs....I jumped from a daily dose of 6mg a day for 6 years str8 and went cold turkey with a little help from clonidine on day 11 that was it str8 ganster stuff and was clean for 5 years(the only drug I had was a little nicotine tobacco pouches I did for a little while during that 5 years, but that was it nothing else) before I stupidly picked up an oxy and now I've been struggling with low doses of oxy the last 4 years and trying to quit but now I have legit leg pain (neuropathy which makes it very difficult because I'm actually prescribed my drug of choice) all depends how bad you want it??? I know I want off this train but I don't have the same fire in my belly to get off when I jumped off Suboxone years ago..Total beast mode and refused to use and I made it for 5 years and it was the best thing I've ever done...Knowing this today I still struggle to find that same desire to stop..I think thats the real problem..You want it you can 100% do it...get down low on the Suboxone and just go for it..maybe a week with kratom to help but you have to toss it all and just go for it or it will not work also would help if your watched or locked up for the the first few weeks or it will not work imo..You can 100% do it!!!! thats just my 2 cents from past experiences ..good luck with whatever you decide
 
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So to reiterate - what I basically said is I was wrong, when I say I’m wrong I’m basically throwing my hands in the air and saying you guys were right and I should have listened to you and am happy to listen to you and your advice now.

And you’ve taken it upon yourself by me admitting to a mistake to be a fucking cunt ?

How about you be man enough to not be a fucking piece of shit? Or is that too much for you to handle? Honestly don’t blame you if it is - you’re a fucking degenerate who’s taken opioids more than 7 times as long as I have for a grand total of 15 years.

So to sum up - next time I say look guys I was wrong I should of listened - how about giving some friendly advice instead of just further reiterating I was wrong and telling me I need to listen.
 
Slayer0344 said:
So to reiterate - what I basically said is I was wrong, when I say I’m wrong I’m basically throwing my hands in the air and saying you guys were right and I should have listened to you and am happy to listen to you and your advice now.

And you’ve taken it upon yourself by me admitting to a mistake to be a fucking cunt ?

How about you be man enough to not be a fucking piece of shit? Or is that too much for you to handle? Honestly don’t blame you if it is - you’re a fucking degenerate who’s taken opioids more than 7 times as long as I have for a grand total of 15 years.

So to sum up - next time I say look guys I was wrong I should of listened - how about giving some friendly advice instead of just further reiterating I was wrong and telling me I need to listen.
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Hi, man sorry for my english, I
just want to get some news from you ? Why do you say it was wrong to go to kratom ?
What happened for you ? I’m now very low on sub (subutex, same same) 0,3mg.
Did you had a good quality kratom ? Red, green, white ? The veins are very different on use but i guess you know abt it ^^
What dose did you take and how many times per days ?
I want to hear and learn from your experience, i can also tel you from my experience 1mg is still too much to stop there isn’t lower doses with suboxone, like 0,2mg ? So you could go at the lowest slowly i’d say taking away 0,2 or 0,1 every 2 weeks is okay.
If there isn’t lower doses look for other buprenorphine (subutex 0,4mg, temgesic 0,2mg, orobupre 0,4mg) don’t know if you can have access to one of them.
Also your body is getting slowly use to wd by slowly decreasing your doses so you you dont get PAWS.
For me it took me 2 months to get from 2.2mg to 0,3mg (since july i started decreasing) i felt it but was okay. I have many tips if interested. Wish you good luck and hope to hear from your experience.🤙🤙🤙
 
Slayer0344 said:
to not be a fucking piece of shit? Or is that too much for you to handle? Honestly don’t blame you if it is - you’re a fucking degenerate who’s taken opioids more than 7 times as long as I have for a grand total of 15 years.

So to sum up -
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shit You just made me realize I'm a degenerate p.o.s....thanks asshole. I think I'm not even close to those judgment calls of yours, just keep in mind, Two sides to that coin your bitching, I mean flipping. But I agree no one should call you a cunt.
 
Hey, mate. I am also from NZ and I am in the exact same position. Except wanting to taper off 100MG of methadone with the help of Kratom, the reason I have this idea is because I am hoping the effects of (K) will alow me to taper off at a much faster rate, as I am still very new to subs and have been made aware that it takes a very long time to completely come off them. Personally I am over the discrimination I face from healthcare professionals since being on the program, not to mention the horror side effects I get.

My question for you though mate, is that Kratom I believe is a controlled substance, and because whoever's in charge believes there isnt much medicinal benefit, you only way you can get Kratom in NZ is if you get some sort of prescription permission form that allows you to import (k) into NZ. Someone correct me if wrong but I believe that's the case. So I wonder if you are taking that route, or if you have an alternative plan. Feel free to reply here or send me a private message. would like to hear more as I have the same intention. Cheers
 
chainsawkidd said:
Hey, mate. I am also from NZ and I am in the exact same position. Except wanting to taper off 100MG of methadone with the help of Kratom, the reason I have this idea is because I am hoping the effects of (K) will alow me to taper off at a much faster rate, as I am still very new to subs and have been made aware that it takes a very long time to completely come off them. Personally I am over the discrimination I face from healthcare professionals since being on the program, not to mention the horror side effects I get.

My question for you though mate, is that Kratom I believe is a controlled substance, and because whoever's in charge believes there isnt much medicinal benefit, you only way you can get Kratom in NZ is if you get some sort of prescription permission form that allows you to import (k) into NZ. Someone correct me if wrong but I believe that's the case. So I wonder if you are taking that route, or if you have an alternative plan. Feel free to reply here or send me a private message. would like to hear more as I have the same intention. Cheers
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Hi there i’m not the one you waiting an answer from but to tapper down faster you can look after black seed oil with high concentrate thymoquinone. I’d think it’s better keeping the kratom for the very end. And then tapper down kratom in 3 weeks and at the very very end use some dissociative like research chemical long life and sport off course but kratom withdrawals can be fucking hard if you use it for too long. Make some research but thymoquinone (blackseed oil) helped me to tapper down kratom pretty fast.
 
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