second cycle questions

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nolys

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I'm asking the fucking questions!
I need advice on a second cycle please folks, which I plan to start as soon as my hormone levels are in check again.

I've did 1 cycle of test e which was a fail, I got 3 vials, 2 of which happened to be bunk, the first vial I gained around 12lb off it and it took like 5 weeks to kick in then after 2 weeks of finishing the vial weight gain ceased then started to slowly drop, I continued cycling thinking my diet was off or something so I bumped up the calories but the weight (probably water) continued to drop.
So I switched to the 3rd vial and by the time it had started to work I'd lost most of the weight I'd gained and was really confused as wether to start pct then or wait the 2 weeks. I waited 2 weeks and by that time I'd lost everything because the test was shit.
15 week cycle cut to 11 or so weeks and 2 half empty vials chucked

So my question is what should I do about next cycle? Would I be right in saying I can add something else to the mix knowing that I have no sides from the test or would 1 vial not be enough to judge?

I was thinking something along the lines of

Week 1-5 dbol 30mg day
Week 1-15 test e 500mg week
Week 1-13/15 deca/eq (undecided dose) per week (whichevers cheaper basically they both suit my goals)

Seeing as this will kind of be my first cycle, though I do have limited experiance with test would I be wise to add deca/eq to the mix? because I want to get as much out of it as possible

I ask because I am unsure and I'm willing to learn and listen. Please do not flame me for being stupid ect I'm trying to learn from people more experianced than myself so any help, input, changes and critisism of any type will be appreciated.

Thanks in advance,
Nolys
 
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It sounds like you got really shitty Testosterone. I would be confused as well bro. It normally takes 4-5 weeks for Testosterone to kick in but as long as you are eating and training right the gains should keep coming. I'm sorry you had to go through that, your not stupid, you just go burned and it happens. The steroid game and bodybuilding game is pretty fucking corrupt. You got people overcharging, people pushing underdosed gear, people pushing bunk or counterfeit gear, and people taking money and giving you nothing. What lab or brand by the way? Not asking for the source because we don't source here to protect the sources but usually vials with have brand name or lab name like Optimal Labs, Lixus, Schering, Genza Pharmacuticals, Genshi Labs, etc... Did you buy it online? Faggot juicehead at the gym? Drug dealer?

I would just go with Dianabol and Testosterone Etanthate and make sure it's good stuff. Both of those compounds are all you need for a first proper cycle. You should have some Anastrozole on hand in case estrogen sides become an issue while on cycle and have Clomid and Nolvadex on hand for PCT.

Next cycle I would throw in Equipoise if you are looking for lean permanent gains. I'm running some right now and it's kicked in nicely and I like it. I have always been a fan of compounds that build lean muscle at a steady rate because the gains are easy to maintain and you don't look like a bloated water balloon looking motherfucker. If you happen to be looking to build strictly mass, then I would go with NPP (Nandrolonephenylpropionate) which is short ester Deca meaning it kicks in faster and is out of your system quick. 15 weeks of Deca will leave you with metabolites that will linger in your body for months down the road and will be a hindrance to regaining hormone homeostasis. The only downside to NPP is that you need to inject everyday as opposed to once a week but it pays off. I ran it before and it has less bloat than Deca, less probability for progesterone induced gyno, and depending on your diet you can even use it for cutting. It's a very versatile compound.
 
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i used to get bunk gear all the time its hard to know what your getting when you buy it from a local lab. i now have an importer from india and the stuff is amazing. i only ever did one or two cycles with pills involved so i dont have much experiance with them but i really like fast acting esters of test and tren as well as hgh.... makes you strong and lean. i am having trouble suggesting anything for you as i do not know what your goals are.
 
Thanks for the replies lads.
I bought the test off a friends drug dealer who I had never met before in my life and when I bought them I actually had to go back to him 5 mins later because he gave me 2 test e and one stanzolol vial the retard.
The test was britishdragon.eu gear, I'm sorry if that's seen as sourcing but there are 2 british dragon companys, the .com I've only read good reviews on whilst the .eu has very mixed reviews. I took the chance and It failed. Shit happens I suppose. I think its ok to add the .eu to the end of that because you can't actually buy gear off their website so that isn't technically sourcing?
I have a bottle of liquidex here that I had from this failed cycle so I can just use this in case of estro sides in my next cycle. My pct was liquid tamoxifen 40/40/20/20 and is what I plan on doing next cycle again, I don't even think or know if I should be running a pct at the moment because of the confusion of when the test actually left my system.

I'm leaning towards a dbol/test cycle here when I can cycle again which leads me to ask another question - when can I cycle again? I'm 2 weeks into my pct now which is probably wrong in the sense that I probably should have started weeks ago, should I continue to pct? I havnt noticed depression, limp dick, gyno or anything that would follow with no pct which is weird imo

I don't think I would be ready for ed pinning at the moment, maybe a few more cycles in I will start using sust or prop just for a change and to get me used to ed/eod pinning because I plan to use tren ace at some point in the distant future.

Should I wait 15 weeks after pct to cycle again? Should I stop pct because its too late? Any other tips on what i should do right now?

@bigbadberdns my goals are to gain as much size as possible and a lot of strenght would also be a bonus, though mainly to gain a significant ammount of lean mass without my bf% shooting up too much. Its around 10% at the moment
 
If I were you I would get blood work done for serum test, lh, fsh, and estradiol. If those come back normal, then I would say you could start whenever.
 
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So there is no waiting period aftér those level out? I can just start another when they have normalised?
How long roughly would/could this take?
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Nope. Once they stable and normal you are good to go. It depends on how suppressive the steroid, the metabolites it has, and your body in general.
 
After running some bunk gear I swore off long acting esters for a little while and started using prop.

ED pinning is one of those things you either love or hate. I personally enjoy it as it gives me something to look forward to every morning as a ritual.
 
I think my cycle probably hit a brick wall after 7 weeks or so, so does this mean I can start another in 7 weeks? I don't think I would risk it.

How would I get my doctor to give me a full male profile? I get free health care here in the uk so what would I tell him? The truth or some sort of lie?
 
Tell the doctor you have had low sex drive lately and are feeling mildly depressed. Tell him that your grandpa and dad both have low t and you want to get checked. Then tell him your dad says that his doctor also checks lh, fsh, and estradiol.
 
^ That always works. Add in "and it's destroying my relationship with my the girl I plan to marry.." after "mildly depressed" for added doctor sympathy.
 
So I won't be straight up with him then?
I'm gonna have to bookmark this thread. I've never had them tests done before so how would I find out what they should be? Just within my nowmal range? And I'm young so should they be different? Not child young, I'm 21 now, was 20. when I was on my first cycle
 
The doctor will be able to determine what your range should be. They can easily interpret the data. Unfortunately I can't say much more in regards to that because I have yet to put in enough time or study in regards to blood tests and steroids.
 
I think ill give it around another month before I go for the tests because I doubt they would be at normal levels now especiellly as I've just started my 3rd week nolva pct.
Will the doctor be able to tell I've been on juice?
 
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I think ill give it around another month before I go for the tests because I doubt they would be at normal levels now especiellly as I've just started my 3rd week nolva pct.
Will the doctor be able to tell I've been on juice?
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Well if you go in there with paper thin skin, veins everywhere, and either inflated like a balloon or shredded like a motherfucker with little to body fat he will know. You will be fine.
 
If I were you The cycle would look something like the:

1-5 Dbol 30mg
1-10 or 12(no need to go to 15 weeks) 500mg
A.I on hand in case of a flare up
No need for Deca or EQ at this time.
 
Thanks again.

I'm toying with the idea of a 12 week sust cycle @583mg per week. Broken into e3d injections.
I see eod mentioned a lot when it comes to sustanon and I don't actually understand the concept of eod. Does this mean 2 days, 3 days, 2 days, 3 days between injections? I know the prop is short estered so would e3d be a bad choice?
I like the idea of a 580mg week test and e3d injections along with the cycle not taking 4 weeks to kick in + if I buy 3 10ml vials this should last 12-13 weeks (havnt did the math yet just playing with the idea).

Any opinions?
 
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Thanks again.

I'm toying with the idea of a 12 week sust cycle @583mg per week. Broken into e3d injections.
I see eod mentioned a lot when it comes to sustanon and I don't actually understand the concept of eod. Does this mean 2 days, 3 days, 2 days, 3 days between injections? I know the prop is short estered so would e3d be a bad choice?
I like the idea of a 580mg week test and e3d injections along with the cycle not taking 4 weeks to kick in + if I buy 3 10ml vials this should last 12-13 weeks (havnt did the math yet just playing with the idea).

Any opinions?
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Hey M8'.....
EOD means just that every other day IE: Monday-Wednesday-Friday-Sunday-Tuesday-Thursday. etc.....

You normally hear this mentioned with Sustanon because of the Esters of Propionate and Phenyl-Propionate half life at about 2 days... So its perceived as prudent to pin EOD to keep steady'er blood concentrations.... And to avoid too much impact of fluctuations in blood levels causing hormonal issues IE: your body taking counter measures by raising levels of other hormones like Estrogen and the Glucorticoids, and maybe causing Progesterone/prolactin issues...

Saying that I've some old Sustanon that I'm on now & I pin every 3rd day...... But I'm an old cunt and don't really give a flying f***, you younger guys might be advised to be a bit more cautious with your health...

Me personally would pin Enanthate every 3rd day.....................
 
Ahh so eod means e2d? For some reason I'd much rather e3d than e2d for some reason.
I think I've set my mind on enanthate e3d with a 5 week dbol kickstart at 30mg a day.
So I think this works out at 580mg test for 13 weeks followed by week 15-19 nolva 40/40/20/20.
I really can't wait to see what dbol is like I wish I had of tried it last cycle
 
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