sarms during pct?

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nolys

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I'm asking the fucking questions!
Just heard about sarms yesterday and that it causes supression like aas at the normal dosages, but I still have a question.

Could sarms be used at a low enough dose to stop the catabolic effects of having low test levels during pct whilst not causing supression at the same time? I hear at low dosages they don't supresss so could this work?

I don't know much about them so excuse my lack of knowledge I'm currently planning a cycle.
 
I think there are logs of people trying it with varying results on other sites. Try reading some (preferably those that posted bloodwork) of them and then decide for yourself.
 
The exact opposite of what you want to be doing durin PCT. You normal HPTA function is canned, and even the most minuscule dose of a SARM i.e. Ostarine at 3mg, will still suppress you.

I wish this wasn't the case. Perhaps you could use a SARM to bridge into a PCT for a few weeks just so you don't experience that immediate 'down' feeling you get post cycle.
 
Tussmann said:
The exact opposite of what you want to be doing durin PCT. You normal HPTA function is canned, and even the most minuscule dose of a SARM i.e. Ostarine at 3mg, will still suppress you.

I wish this wasn't the case. Perhaps you could use a SARM to bridge into a PCT for a few weeks just so you don't experience that immediate 'down' feeling you get post cycle.
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While I agree with your logic and wouldn't use them myself, some logs online had pretty good results with a low dose of sarms during pct (don't remember if it was s-4 or ostarine). But then again most of them are based on feeling and don't have blood work posted.
 
crazycatman said:
While I agree with your logic and wouldn't use them myself, some logs online had pretty good results with a low dose of sarms during pct (don't remember if it was s-4 or ostarine). But then again most of them are based on feeling and don't have blood work posted.
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does blood work really matter if your keeping your gains? I know it obviously does from some points of view but what I want to know specifically is

Can sarms combat the catabolism experianced during pct? And if they can, would this leave you needing another pct once you stop them? Or would your natural test not be surpressed enough to leave you catabolic?

Just wondering how best possible to keep all my gains after this cycle
 
Sarms are confusing as fuck. Info ranged on the web from “causes no supression” to “causes shutdown use clomid + nolva for pct”... Wtf.
Ostarine is looking desireable to me but I can't get any solid info on it other than cycle logs which are all badly written...

Few questions if anyone knows the answers

1. Does ostarine actually cause supression or what? If so, is the supression enough to merit a pct?
2. Can I use sarms as a bridge between testosterone cycles without pcts or will this still fuck with my hpta?
3. It seems pretty shit expensive, is it worth the dollar paid?
4. Is there any difference between the liquid and tabs? (Liquid tamoxifen is weaker than tamoxifen citrate tabs)
5. How long can these safely be run for? Is there any sides from overusing them?

The info on these sarms is fucked up.
 
nolys said:
Just heard about sarms yesterday and that it causes supression like aas at the normal dosages, but I still have a question.

Could sarms be used at a low enough dose to stop the catabolic effects of having low test levels during pct whilst not causing supression at the same time? I hear at low dosages they don't supresss so could this work?

I don't know much about them so excuse my lack of knowledge I'm currently planning a cycle.
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a low dose of osta (3-5 mg) causes no suppression as far as studies go. it's also supposed to be anabolic at such a low dose (although during pct all it will probably do is hold back a little bit of the "catabolizing" you will experience. seems worth a try.
 
Lopez said:
a low dose of osta (3-5 mg) causes no suppression as far as studies go. it's also supposed to be anabolic at such a low dose (although during pct all it will probably do is hold back a little bit of the "catabolizing" you will experience. seems worth a try.
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"Ostarine Clinical Data"


There are a lot of rumors and broscience claims about this stuff...it's not suppressive, it raises estrogen, etc. that maybe can be put to rest if we look at the actual clinical data from a human trial.

Ostarine Phase II study, fulltext.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3177038/

Some interesting tidbits...aside from the expected increase in FFM at 3mg/day, ostarine had some other effects very similar to oral AAS...reduced TC, TAG and HDL, increased LDL (non-significant). Ostarine 3mg caused some transient increases in ALT numbers although this apparently resolved itself over the course of the study for most of the subjects who experienced it and only occurred in some subjects.

At 3mg it was mildly suppressive of total and free testosterone in men although the change in LH was not significant. It also pushed estrogen levels down significantly...by about 30% in the 3mg group...SHBG was also depressed in a dose-dependent manner.

Ostarine is not magic, you can't take it in meaningful amounts without suppression and it shares many of the same side effects similar as traditional AAS.

I think the take home message here is that this stuff should be treated like any other fairly mild oral anabolic compound...AAS were the original SARMs after all and some of the new designer compounds like epistane are actually more selective than ostarine."
 
nolys said:
So your saying that it would be too supressive to be used during pct?
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Absolutely. But, like I said, it may serve a purpose for the first week or two after a major cycle to avoid the crash and burn in strength/volume.
 
I would assume it would help you retain the gains you made and/or stabilize you once the heavy stuff leaves your system. Ultimately, you want to get off it and on a SERM asap to restore HPTA function.
 
You would still want to take clomid and (optional) DAA. If it causes any suppression, a reset is necessary and SERMS are one of the only things that can do that at the rate we want.
 
Yes, it is actually one of the few supplements proven to raise T-levels in both rats and humans. Lots of people use it during a cycle -- not to prevent shutdown -- but rather to keep their libido up.
 
I don't use test, I simply take orals, like 30 mg of epistane or 8 mg of ultradrol. I'm not really into getting grey market test and pinning myself.
 
Serotonin101 said:
Uh oh. red alert, incoming hurricane strength shitstorm.
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I've been flamed for this before, but it's just my take and opinion on AAS. FOR ME, it is optimal. I run short cycles of strong oral anabolics. After 4-5 weeks on something like Epistane, my T-levels will still resemble that of a hypo-gonadal person and my E levels will be very high. But, in those 4-5 weeks, I can accomplish A LOT, and usually retain about 80% of my gains if my PCT is in line.
 
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