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Misc Salvia Stuff

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john24

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I was amazed to see Salvia being openly sold at the local Lowes up here in PA.

Not the typical , established one that everybody talks about though. (not divinorum )

It was

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvia_nemorosa

Someone told me it was just as intense as Divinorum though. A quick google search confirms the same...many even saying that this version is even more intense. (I explain my general experience in another post below)

So , why the heck did congress waste so much money, time putting laws together to ban Divinorum...when the other variants are just as intense, and openly sold at major outlets such as Lowes ?

when clicking on selected species, I notice at-least 10 other variants - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvia#Selected_species_and_their_uses

Someone told me how he felt like great...very free and happy...and not sad about anything. Better than the first time they ever tried cannabis. And i'd have to agree.
 
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Interesting, havent heard of it.

Did we just get a massive influx of swimmers? You dont need to describe yourself by proxy, calling yourself a squirrel on this site especially since nemerosa is not under any legal scrutiny.
 
hehe, he said 'proxy'.

squirrels are cool though.

But yea, I recommend checking out Lowes or asking around about it. I was surprised to see so many being sold. The whole table was full of them, and even the cashier chick was looking at me with a naughty / sarcastic look. (as if to say "hmmm....what are u gonna do with this")

the blue flowery part / buds seem to perform the best.
 
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Salvia divinorum is the only member of the salvia family that produces the hallucinogenic kappa agonist compounds called divinorins.

Salvia is actually a large and ancient family of many plants all related to the common culinary sage. Some have brilliant purple or pink flowers like the one you linked, some are fragrant spicy herbs, some are decorative plants, some are medicinal. Only S. divinorum is hallucinogenic though, the others are mild sedatives and nice smells at best. You'll not get any of the powerful hallucinogenic effects unless you chew or smoke S. divinorum.

Certain varieties of sage have been used in American Indian visionary medicine and the like to induce a relaxed meditative state. So it's not surprising that you would get calming effects from other varieties. But none of the, uh, baseball bat upside the head intensity of divinorum.

Most varieties of salvia are easy to grow, fairly tolerant of various climates and a little neglect, and of course grows beautiful leaves and flowers. That's why they are popular hardware store/dollar store plants. It would be a good idea to grow some just to practice raising plants, they're a good one to start on, are fairy cheap, and are pretty like I've mentioned. Plus you can always experiment with adding them to decoctions.

S. Divinorum is actually hard to grow and needs carefully controlled climate, and can only be grown from clippings anyway. So I don't think you'll find a diviner's sage in a hardware store.

Because most species of Salvia are not hallucinogenic and are good ornamental plants/culinary plants, there's been no call to ban them. Only S. divinorum is the real powerful one. And besides, what would you put in your poultry seasoning then?

Squirrels aren't allowed to post here on Bluelight - only humans. Just FYI. I edited your post.
 
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sekio said:
Salvia divinorum is the only member of the salvia family that produces the hallucinogenic kappa agonist compounds called divinorins.

Only S. divinorum is hallucinogenic though, the others are mild sedatives and nice smells at best. You'll not get any of the powerful hallucinogenic effects unless you chew or smoke S. divinorum.
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oh trust me, this wasn't just some type of sedative effect. I've tried many things, and there's definitely something powerful here. Whether the actual chemical hasn't been identified yet or whatever...there was definately some hallucinogenic effects here. don't rule it out if you haven't tried yet, as I tried this by mistake and was blown away by it's results.

A quick search of this forum, even found this - http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=162610
 
john24 said:
oh trust me, this wasn't just some type of sedative effect. I've tried many things, and there's definitely something powerful here. Whether the actual chemical hasn't been identified yet or whatever...there was definately some hallucinogenic effects here. don't rule it out if you haven't tried yet, as I tried this by mistake and was blown away by it's results.

A quick search of this forum, even found this - http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=162610
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So you've actually tried this and it works, or you only think it works from that one written account?

I've never heard that any Sage other than Divinorum is a hallucinogen, but if you used it and it ACTUALLY worked for you then that's really interesting.

Did you get any visuals?
 
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So you've actually tried this and it works, or you only think it works from that one written account?

I've never heard that any Sage other than Divinorum is a hallucinogen, but if you used it and it ACTUALLY worked for you then that's really interesting.

Did you get any visuals?
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It's such an awkward high, but always something i'm looking forward to the next day. The leaves don't do much, but the buds / flowering stuff (when dried out ) definitely do.

If it was junk, I wouldn't keep coming back to it. I also wanted to make sure it wasn't just a lucky once or twice type thing... or placebo effect, where we kinda mentally force ourselves to feel like something happened, when it really didn't. I've definitely felt it's blossoming effect...and more than once.

I just feel overwhelmingly free , happy, good..and it lasts for hours. slight visual stuff / increased paranoia = yes. But the positives outweigh the negatives. It kinda just works with your current mood, lessens stress, lifts mood, and puts you in a good place....and numbs things out a bit. (my best interpretation )

That link even mentions how it's the best and closest legal alternative to weed...and i'd agree. ( i've tried many legal alternatives in the past)

Would like to hear from others, able to get their hands on it.

This is the stuff - http://www.lowes.com/pd_391866-56286-NURSERY_0__?productId=4308567

straight from Lowes. hehe. :)
 
john24 said:
So , why the heck did congress waste so much money, time putting laws together to ban Divinorum...when the other variants are just as intense, and openly sold at major outlets such as Lowes ?
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As far as I know, congress didn't. It's banned in some states in the U.S., not all. It's legal in NY for example (except Suffolk county, which is the eastern half of Long Island). There are stores that sell it in Manhattan.
 
"Leaves of Salvia nemorosa have been used in Turkish medicine to stop bleeding by applying externally. Diterpenes and triterpenes have been isolated from aerial parts of S. nemorosa: nemorone, nemorosin, horminone, 7-acetylhorminone, salvinemorol, megastigmane glycosides (salvionosides A, B and C), pachystazone, salvipisone, α-amyrin, ursolic and oleanolic acids, stigmast-7-en-3-one, 24-methylenecycloartanol, stigmast-4-en-3-one, β-sitosterol, stigmast-7-enol, as well as flavonoids salvigenin, eupatilin, apigenin and luteolin.[11]"

From wikipedia.... I doubt you will trip on it as there is no salvinorian.... Who knows what effects all this stuff will have.

Edit:This explains it

"Its found that the possible active component in Salvia nemorosa is Apigenin. Thanks lodewijkp. "Apigenin acts as a monoamine transporter activator, one of the few chemicals demonstrated to possess this property. Apigenin is a ligand for central benzodiazepine receptors that competitively inhibited the binding offlunitrazepam with a Ki of 4μM, exerting anxiolytic and slight sedative effects."
 
If apigenin is the main constituent, you should make a tea of this stuff rather than smoking it, as heat will destroy most of the flavonoids and terpenes that are responsible for the supposed activity.
 
Exactly what seiko said.... Throw a ml or so of some 40% alch content stuff to aid in releasing the active agents. Works well with chamomile which you would probably also enjoy.
 
Ch you need to recognize this isn't a salvinorian containing plant. It has other activity....

That being said divinorium quids and sublingual tinctures do exist.
 
Forensic analysis of Salvia divinorum using multivariate
statistical procedures. Part I: discrimination from related
Salvia species

http://msucj.bcpdev.com/assets/FSPub-Salvia-Part-I-ABC-20121.pdf


Salvia divinorum is a hallucinogenic herb that is
internationally regulated. In this study, salvinorin A, the
active compound in S. divinorum, was extracted from S.
divinorum plant leaves using a 5-min extraction with
dichloromethane. Four additional Salvia species (Salvia
officinalis, Salvia guaranitica, Salvia splendens, and Salvia
nemorosa
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Some one else besides me would have to interpret the "HCA dendrogram showing similarity among Salvia species" or the retention times and what that says about quantity.

Or what the hell a "Pearson product moment correlation coefficients derived from principal component 1 for Salvia species." Definitely haven't taken any statistics classes yet.


It seems not one have Salvinorin.

I'm fine with that, good riddance. I was hoping it would stay legal until someone could create some novel psychedelic mu opioid (WITH NOT K ACTIVITY! ;) )
 
Captain.Heroin said:
that could be entered into the title :|
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Could also read the thread before posting ;)

Edit: whatz the quote makes no sense in this context.... Why even post the reading even though it is interesting for other reasons. I do thank you for posting it.... Also the conclusion of the article is that the only way to identify divinorum is its salvinorian A content.
 
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Captain.Heroin said:
what would salvia tea be like? intensity/duration?

I've had a lot of positive experiences smoking 5 to 80 x salvia extract.
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I thought I would check: are you asking about salvia nemorosa in particular, which is what this thread is specifically about, or salvia divinorum as well? There are some threads about the latter:

http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/670417-Salvia-Tea-Experienced-Smooth-Subtle-and-Powerful

http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/734272-Salvia-extract-salvia-noob-good-experience-as-a-tea-drink
 
I never though Salvinorin was a pleasant chemical at all, are there really people who still seek that experience? It's like a dissociative mixed with a deliriant (never done the latter, only from description), only scarier.
 
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