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Salvia - first time - want feedback

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salvia---first time---want feedback

I tried salvia tonight, or rather, regular strength salvinorin enhanced.
Set: I'm curious about trying a new psychadelic, a bit wary too, because salvia is reputed to be an intense spiritual drug, and i'm treating it rather lightly. worried that i'm using it for the wrong reason.
Setting: my apartment, sitting on the floor atop a comforter, pillows laid out. good friend there to babysit.
+0 I smoke 1/20th of a gram of the extract. have trouble keeping it in my lungs for 30 seconds and i keep gagging it up.
+2 min I am high, feel like there are strong magnets swirling around me, shearing my body apart. when i shut my eyes, i see patterning...weak compared to visuals i've had on shrooms. i break out in a sweat on my face.
+4 min I've peaked and i can already tell I'm coming down...
+10 min I'm still high, I can tell. Things breathe slightly. But it's clearly over. I decide to smoke some more.
+15 min I smoke twice as much now, 2/20th of a gram, bringing the total to 3/20th of a gram, or three times the recommended first time dosage. Again, have trouble keeping the smoke down, lose most of it after 15 seconds.
Immediately i feel a stronger, disorienting high. Suddenly there are many "me's", and the conscious one--where my eyes are--is occupying the top floor of my body, and i can look down at the lower floors of my body, e.g. the hand holding the pipe. my body is like a high rise. the comforter i'm sitting on becomes the canopy of a jungle. and i become the queen of the jungle, perched high atop the forest floor. i look ahead of me and see my shoes, and they look like tribal masks or totemic faces, and they are mocking me, approaching me, trying to challenge my authority as a queen. so naturally, i stare them down, i try to show them that i am not afraid of them. and then i start laughing at how utterly ridiculous i'm being, and i enjoy the humor of the situation.
with my eyes shut, i see more intense visuals, but still weak compared to my shrooms visuals.
+19 okay, so four minutes have passed since my booster dosage, and i already feel myself coming down again.
+20-30 I return to baseline.
So, for all you experienced salvia smokers (q-tip, this is you!), what's up with this? this seems like such a short acting drug...i mean, i'd read 20 to 30 minutes, but i peak in 4 and then the interesting part is over. should i keep on trying? have i not reached that magical salvia place yet? it seems like i'm reaching stage 3 or 4 (L or V according to http://salvia.lycaeum.org )...
my second question is this: have any of you had any spiritual experiences on this drug? i read that salvia is far different than other hallucinogens, and that it is a drug of introspection and soul-searching. but from my experience, i cannot imagine ever learning anything useful about myself on salvia. it does not seem entheogenic to me at all. the high is too short, too intense, and too confused. i mean, i'm sitting there delusional as a dingo, thinking i'm queen of the jungle and fending off a coup d'etat from my adidas... do i need to try another method, like chewing leaves? i feel like i could never distill any cosmic understanding of things from salvia...that sort of soul-work is better left to ecstasy, shrooms, etc.
please help. thanks for reading this.
p.s. at least now i will always laugh at my shoes...i feel residual anger toward them even now...how dare they challenge my primacy as the queen? by the way, i'm a guy, so this whole queen thing is even more peculiar.
 
Man u had a totally awsome spiritual experience and u dont think u learnt anything important? Personally i would have had some more hits on the second come down, but it was ur first time so i guess its cool. If u had more u would have most likely ended up somewhere else, but still seeing ur different selves seems like a fun experience. I dont think it was ur shoes, just something that crossed over where ur shoes were, like a double image. If u had of had more u may have become totally oblivious of ur shoes and just saw the masks. In a lot of experiences ive heard about, people are tested and so forth, before they get into the major spiritual stuff.
 
thanks for the feedback, void.
does the short duration of my high seem familiar to you (4 minute peak), or do you think that's a result of not inhaling enough/long enough? i suppose next time i'll use more...i was just worried about hitting that amnesia level that lycaeum warns about
maybe you're right about about the shoes thing. from my (limited) experience with non drug-induced visions in the past, it seems that apparitions are clothed in the fabric of the setting in which they materialize.
 
hey man, i didnt know i was the resident salvia guy, cool with me! Yeah the duration is about right, my first few times i was expecting at least 20 minutes of tripping, but it only endded up being on average about 4-5 minutes of peaking, and about a 10 minute stoned/confused comedown. My longest trip was about 10 minutes long, it was my best trip too, i was a black dude chilling on a cotton plantation, and all my loved ones were in the sky next to the sun smiling at me, sending love my way!
So far i havent gained anything super spiritual, but i have noticed that family members and my close friends have popped up in my trips alot, more than any other plant or chemical, proving to me who is really important in my life.
I think if you look back at your trip you may be able to find a deeper meaning to it, then again you may not be able to, and you might just look at it as a fun ass trip!
Anyways, keep experimenting with differnt settings, it totally makes a diffence, try different types of music in the background, and try differnt lighting. Also try doing it on other substances, i suggest making yourself stupid once, smoke some weed, or have some G, clear your head so you have no thoughts in it, it will make the trip all the more intense from my experience. Or if you know how to meditate, do that! adios and good luck
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"Awareness is without choice, without demand, without anxiety; in that state of mind, there is perception. Perception alone will resolve all our problems."
-Bruce Lee
[This message has been edited by q-tip (edited 27 February 2001).]
 
From what I understand, it seems that smoked salvia sessions are usually short, wheras other methods (ie, quid) tend to be of a longer duration.
I have found salvia quite interesting; only experimented once, and am currently waiting to find a sitter before going any further.
The experience was fast-acting, and so 'dream-like' that I have almost 0 recall of what happened. I only realized what was going on as I was coming out of it.
Does salvia have any thing to offer? I suppose it can offer what you take into it. I agree, salvia-space is rather strange and confusing. Maybe you learn more only after retrospection...
Just my own little thoughts. Best of luck to you, Queen of the Vine!
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(You are a man, yet you took on a feminine persona... folks often say that salvia is characterized by a feminine presence- ska maria, lady salvia, perhaps this is a bit of your experience...?)
 
My first salvia trip was very interesting but dissapointing. I was expecting this intense trip when all i got was the "magnetic" feeling you described. But... the second time is a different story. About 4 hours into a 2.5g Mushroom trip (very weak) i decided to smoke some thinking it would be like the first time. I wasnt planning on smoking that much, and i didnt. But what happened next was nothing like i ever imagined. I no longer was human, I was color. Just color everywhere. Im not going to get into a trip report because i wrote one before but just believe me IT WAS INSANE and SCARY! I wish the search button still worked so i could find my report. Ill try to find it and bump it so you can read.
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i have some salvia at my house that i have tried smoking.. its not an extract or anything of that nature, its just plain regular salvia as far as i know, not 10x or whatever.
i smoked it once, and i got a light light trippy floaty feeling for about twenty minutes, and for about an hour after that had a real bad head trip and i was irratiable, etc. it wasnt fun, but i dont think i smoked enough of it becuase it wasnt an extract, or maybe my setting was wrong.. there were people over i did not like, etc.
my question is should i try it again and maybe smoke more? or should i throw it away and just get better salvia next time.
 
Rdy2Roll--your experience sounds intense. i'd love to read your trip report if you can find it.
hey discorabbit, i would try smoking more. the dose-response curve is pretty steep, but if you up the dose in small increments you'll be fine. i don't know about the more experienced smokers out there, but for me i think the extract is the only way to go. it's more potent, obviously, so you don't have to smoke nearly as much. and from my experience, it still takes a good amount of extract to reach an interesting place, and i had trouble keep all the smoke down. but it must be much much easier than trying to smoke an equivalent dose in leaves.
i wonder if salvia will be scheduled any time soon.
 
i've tried smoking salvia just in leaf format... it didn't do much at all, a slightly stoned feeling.. how is it supposed to be prepared / ingested? and does anyone know the likely effect if took in a club on a pill?
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Iconic, in response to the amount and type of salvia to smoke, i usually get 1 gram vials of the 5x extract, when i first got it i measured out 100mg. of it, and looked at it to get a feel of how big a pile it is, since then i ususlly use about 100-130mg. of the 5x extract, stick it in a 1 foot bong, no water, and fill the bong, inhale, hold for 20 seconds, exhale, inhale another chamber full, hold for 20 seconds, and then try to finish off the remainder of the salvia, and sit back. Thats when the fun begins! hehe. i can never seperate real life from saliva life though, ti just jumps up on you so quickly you dont have time to realize you are on a drug, errrr plant!
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"Relationship is understanding. It is a process of self-revelation. Relationship is the mirror in which you discover yourself-to be is to be related"
-Bruce Lee
 
My first salvia trip was in my dark computer room(alone). I have no idea how much of that 5x I smoked.
It was a lot though. 20 seconds after smoking, I began to feel heavy, and it seemed almost as if someone else was controlling my body movements. After a few seconds of that, I fell to the floor.
I looked up and then I started to here some type of 'mystical' music which wasn't really there. I started to look around and it became one of my most intense drug experiences ever. My computer monitor, printer, and chair started to argue over who was the most important aspect of my life. They were like suitors. They weren't actually talking, rather sending messages to my mind.
I managed to pick myself off of the floor and for some reason I went to my closet. I opened it up and I seriously thought that it was some portal to a different universe. Since the room was dark I was tripping like hell. I looked into that closet, and I saw almost a swirl of darkness. I looked closer and saw a faded picture of a forest. The forest was dark and foggy. Kind of reminded me of yoda's home in the 2nd and 3rd Star Wars movie!
Intense shit. Respect salvia!!
 
mmm, salvia, I have so much to say about this plant, a spirit trapped chemically in some dried leaves. I suppose I'll post a couple of times, if you can bear out my ramblings. This one shall be devoted to recommendations, and I'll talk about my own experiences in a bit. I must say, this herb is one of the most incredible drugs I've ever tried, because of its subtlety and it's malleability. It seems to give me exactly what I need each time I take it, and my friends who have tried it say the same. It can range from trippy to therapeutic to just intense memories. It is often not what I expect, but always what I need.
The most important thing to understand is setting. Don't take this drug with lots of other people, with light or noise. As I said, this is subtle. You can be exploring the antipodes of your consciousness, hear a knock on the door, and get up and answer it and speak to the person with no signs of intoxication. I take that as an asset, but that means if you take it with a group of friends and start chatting or watching TV, you won't really experience it's full effects, no matter how much you consume. Music, while enhancing other drugs, seems only to overshadow salvia as well. Some music can be nice, but I've found it mostly just interrupts the experience. This is not something to take to make other things more fun, but rather something to experience with as little sensory input as possible.
As for consumption, it cannot be swallowed in a pill. It will have no effect that way. It must be absorbed orally (sublingually) or smoked. Smoking has a considerably shorter effect. Taking it orally is definitely more rewarding, but takes a lot of work. Also, separated doses don't really build on each other. You must smoke your dose within about 4 or 5 minutes, after that, you will lengthen the effects, but not raise the level. For sublingual absorption the time is more like 15 minutes. Subsequent doses will need to be just as large. So smoking 1/20 of a gram and then 2/20 of a gram 15 minutes later does not equal 3/20 g, but rather 2/20 g. it's kinda like sunscreen like that. Also if you're smoking it in a bong, it's ok to use water. It is fat soluble, so it won't be filtered out by the water, just cooled.
If you have some non-enhanced leaves, keep trying. Use a bong to cool the smoke so it should be easier to take. But try to clean the bong fairly well, as weed seems to just interfere with the experience, like music or lots of people. I'm not sure why, and maybe it's just me, has anyone else noticed this?
As for scheduling, I don't think this is likely. It is fairly hard to get an intense trip off of salvia, and the experience is too subtle and introspective to be widely abused. As far as I know, there are no indications of addiction potential. Also the plant isn't distinct. It is a sage, and looks like many other sages. People could easily grow it in their gardens without attention. If it were scheduled, it would still be easy to cultivate. At least I would hope the government wouldn't be absurd enough to schedule this beautiful plant.
Allright, I'll have to save my personal experiences for another post. But if you haven't had any luck with salvia try again, in a different setting, with a stronger dose, and perhaps a different mindset. You sort of have to look for it at first, but once you find it, it's beautifully captivating.
 
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