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Salvia 20x Extract - First Time - Giant Yellow Zipper of Reality

SmokeDro420

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I tried salvia for the first time yesterday, and it was absolutely the most wild experience of my life. About half the trip I dont remember but the latter half I can remember somewhat clearly now.

Me and two buddies skipped 2nd period to go downtown and pick up some salvia from the headshop. We had about 2-3 hours til our next class so we figured it would be cool to try some now, I had never smoked it before, but B and A both had once or twice (Only with 10x extract) this time we were using 20x. The store didnt have any 10x so we tried the 20, not really knowing how intense it would be.

We bought it and found an alley where we could relax and toke. I packed a few bowls of hash and pot before we smoked the salvia. B took the first hit of the salvia. He took the whole bowl and held it for about 30 seconds. After he let it out he started mumbling, and couldnt sit up straight. He then stood up and stumbled for a few seconds before sitting back down. The next bowl was mine. A packed me a bigger hit then B and I was prepared. I hit it as hard as I could and held it in until I felt something. I felt my whole body shift, and released the toke. I then looked at the fence and the center bar shifted hugely too. I mumbled a few words then blacked out. When I woke up I was in a different universe, with tall colourful pointy sky-scrapers, and a man wearing an old fashioned suit with a green cumberbun. He kept telling me stuff but I don't remember any of it. This part of the trip seemed like a very vivid dream, and at no point did I realize that I had smoked a drug, or that I even existed. I totally forgot about the alley and my body. This seemed to be some deeper reality at the time, and it felt like my new life was beginning here. The man in the suit started laughing at me and chanting something when I blacked out again.

There was a lot more to the experience and at this point I was getting scared, because I didnt know where I was how I got here or even WHAT I WAS. I was in a different dimension, and there was no escape. I thought I went insane. The next thing I remember is being half of a giant yellow zipper, and half my body felt like it had been cut away in the shape of the zipper. All of a sudden the whole universe that I had just made up started flipping by very fast like the pages of a book. I started flying and I was suddenly getting zipped up into the other half of the zipper. I saw people and things flash by and the half of my body I could feel was zipping into each picture. I could feel half my body zipping back into reality - there was an intense feeling in the right side of my body, like it was being dragged. A very raw feeling, not pain, but like there was something pulling on my skin. I started to remember how my life used to be at this point, and I wondered if I could ever get back. I thought to get back I would need to zip it all back up, so I pushed myself to zip it all up. I wasnt fitting into the last few sections though and it felt like I was knocking my teeth out, half my face felt as though it had been dragged behind a car. When the zipper was nearing completion (I could see the end) I started feeling like I was getting pulled out of the zipper, and I was suddenly running down an alley. It turns out the alley I was running down was a hallucination of the alley that my body was in (I was still tripping out but the alley was very vivid). I was chasing my friend B who seemed to be showing me how to jump out of the salvia trip. He was running as fast as he could, then jumping and stomping his feet a certain way when he landed. I chased after him and tried to do it 4 or 5 times and it wasnt letting me go. I tried again, and ran after him and stomped exactly like he did and I was kicked back into reality.

I regained consciousnous and saw my friend B in front of me, the first thing I said was "Wait...I've been here before". There was a strong sense of deja-vu. I was feeling incredibly stoned right then, and the zipper still felt like it was controlling half my body. My right side felt numb. My friend A who toked after I blacked out was running down the alley like I was in my trip. I still didnt know where I was or who I was but when I saw the pipe on the binder i remembered that I smoked some crazy shit. My brain was feeling very slow and my body felt exhausted. I started getting very scared of something, and it felt very wrong. I felt like crying, and I proceeded to lie down on my jacket and close my eyes. I curled up into a ball, and was scared, of something. B told me that we had to get moving, but I didnt want to. I just wanted to be at home in bed. I was very scared, and kept muttering "somethings wrong" because I didnt really understand what happened. I thought that I had gone insane, and the dimension I experienced was my psyche. I'm starting to believe that the man who guided me (I didnt mention it, but he was present during the whole trip, and watched me zip everything back up, but dissapeared when I was running down the alley) was my id, ego, or superego, or possibly the combination of all three.

That pretty much sums up my salvia trip, it absolutely terrified me, because that small little pinch of the powder took my entire world, chewed it up and spit it out. I completely lost track of reality and the trip felt 100% real, simply not in this dimension. I don't know if I will try this drug again, because of how much raw power it had. One hit of it completely destroyed me. I suggest you be careful with salvia, as it is some scary scary shit.

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Wow that's pretty heavy.

I tried Salvia (extract and leaves) a few weeks ago and didn't feel shit. I followed all the proper steps, butane lighter and everything and didn't feel a damn thing. Maybe I just need something stronger than 20x?
 
Damn I've got to breakthrough, I've only had sub-breakthrough compared to this.
 
HOLY SHIT!! That's so vividly recorded! Great report, because it reminds me of so much about my one and only extract trip. The zipper thing!! It's like, you can't come back through the layers of reality until you remember to zip yourself back up! And that guy just watches the whole time! In my trip, he was there, and I was there, in the skycraper city, and he was wearing a blue and yellow "business suit" and cone-shaped hat, and he was saying in a rhythmic chant "Yes!... Yes!... Come on!... Come on!..." over and over again, and when I finally surrendered to him, he watched me and led me through the experience. I thought he was bad or evil, but now years later I can see how naive I was of what was going on...

I just can't believe I'm reading a report from someone else that reminds me of shit I had experienced but forgotten!
 
Church said:
HOLY SHIT!! That's so vividly recorded! Great report, because it reminds me of so much about my one and only extract trip. The zipper thing!! It's like, you can't come back through the layers of reality until you remember to zip yourself back up! And that guy just watches the whole time! In my trip, he was there, and I was there, in the skycraper city, and he was wearing a blue and yellow "business suit" and cone-shaped hat, and he was saying in a rhythmic chant "Yes!... Yes!... Come on!... Come on!..." over and over again, and when I finally surrendered to him, he watched me and led me through the experience. I thought he was bad or evil, but now years later I can see how naive I was of what was going on...

I just can't believe I'm reading a report from someone else that reminds me of shit I had experienced but forgotten!

=D

I love it when drugs seem to give people the same experiences. I experienced a zipper but it was like it had opened a tear in the reality I knew. I could see another one inside it pouring out into ours. It felt intensly it had been there all along and I knew it very well and had been there many times before. Amazing stuff, dying to try my 24x extract.
 
Church said:
HOLY SHIT!! That's so vividly recorded! Great report, because it reminds me of so much about my one and only extract trip. The zipper thing!! It's like, you can't come back through the layers of reality until you remember to zip yourself back up! And that guy just watches the whole time! In my trip, he was there, and I was there, in the skycraper city, and he was wearing a blue and yellow "business suit" and cone-shaped hat, and he was saying in a rhythmic chant "Yes!... Yes!... Come on!... Come on!..." over and over again, and when I finally surrendered to him, he watched me and led me through the experience. I thought he was bad or evil, but now years later I can see how naive I was of what was going on...

I just can't believe I'm reading a report from someone else that reminds me of shit I had experienced but forgotten!

:) Thanks for the compliment on my report, its the first one I've ever posted. The trip was just way to intense to not try and describe. About the guy who was with you, the way you describe him is a lot like the way I remember him. He had a blue and yellow suit on too, he was very tall and had some kind of weird hat on. Every thing was all...wizard of oz'ed out...

Did you enjoy the trip church? I didnt, during the trip I completely forgot that I had smoked the salvia and thought that possibly I had died and this was the afterlife, and I wanted to get back to reality. It was really amazing to look back on and I don't regret it, something like that is an experience that I will never forget. Afterwards I was too sketched out to really think about it.

I'm really glad that I brokethrough properly though :)

I Think the biggest aspect of the trip that made me enjoy it less was the general discomfort experienced during the smoke. We sat in a circle in a corner alley, so if the alley was like this : V we were right at the crotch, and I could see down either alley. There was a really trippy fence and my buddy B was sitting right in front of me. Strangely I KNOW that I had been on that zipper before, because I dont know how but a few weeks ago I had a major deja vu'ish memory of me going down that same zipper in the same way, but I never got off...I think It may have been in a dream a long time ago but it really creeped me out afterwards.
 
SmokeDro420 said:
Did you enjoy the trip church? I didnt, during the trip I completely forgot that I had smoked the salvia and thought that possibly I had died and this was the afterlife, and I wanted to get back to reality

No I most definitely did NOT like the trip... I haven't touched the stuff since then, and that was about 5 or 6 years ago. I had smoked the leaf a couple times before that, and thought I had an idea of what the drug did, but I was WRONG, oh so wrong. I, too, had full-blown ego-destruction, where I couldn't remember who I was, or what I was, or even what 'I' meant. And I was fighting it as it was coming on... I was getting scared and trying to stand up, but that didn't work out too well. Eventually after what seemed like an eternity (probably only 10 seconds after exhaling) I surrendered to the guy in the business suit and lost my identity. I just became him, and my visions, and my reality-- there was no concept of being someone who was witnessing something from a 3rd person perspective.

But as I was re-emerging from this dimension, I started remembering that I was a human, and that I had smoked a drug. But there was a strong sense that (unlike any other drug I've tried) you have to figure out HOW to get back! It's like, the guy was standing there helping me, but there was no way I could have come back until I figured out the deal with crossing through the membranes of the different realities. Hard to explain. A similar concept would be that of leaving a trail of breadcrumbs while hiking through the forest, so you can find your way back.

Would I say, in retrospect, that it was a 'bad' trip? No way. But I'm not trying to do that stuff ever again. Maybe one day when I'm an old man and I start practicing for Death. ;)

I loved your report. You have a very good memory to be able to recall all that much!
 
Church said:
No I most definitely did NOT like the trip... I haven't touched the stuff since then, and that was about 5 or 6 years ago. I had smoked the leaf a couple times before that, and thought I had an idea of what the drug did, but I was WRONG, oh so wrong. I, too, had full-blown ego-destruction, where I couldn't remember who I was, or what I was, or even what 'I' meant. And I was fighting it as it was coming on... I was getting scared and trying to stand up, but that didn't work out too well. Eventually after what seemed like an eternity (probably only 10 seconds after exhaling) I surrendered to the guy in the business suit and lost my identity. I just became him, and my visions, and my reality-- there was no concept of being someone who was witnessing something from a 3rd person perspective.

But as I was re-emerging from this dimension, I started remembering that I was a human, and that I had smoked a drug. But there was a strong sense that (unlike any other drug I've tried) you have to figure out HOW to get back! It's like, the guy was standing there helping me, but there was no way I could have come back until I figured out the deal with crossing through the membranes of the different realities. Hard to explain. A similar concept would be that of leaving a trail of breadcrumbs while hiking through the forest, so you can find your way back.

Would I say, in retrospect, that it was a 'bad' trip? No way. But I'm not trying to do that stuff ever again. Maybe one day when I'm an old man and I start practicing for Death. ;)

I loved your report. You have a very good memory to be able to recall all that much!


The bolded section describes the way I felt amazingly. It seems we had VERY similar trips church, and its really relieving to know that someone can understand what I went through.

There was a lot more to the trip that I didnt remember, and there were a lot of details I want to remember. When I was zipping back up there was a person I know - a girl - who I was zipping together with, but I CANT REMEMBER WHO SHE IS! I'm angry because I felt a connection with her, and want to figure it out. There was also of lot of shit that went on in the skyscraper city that I don't remember.

Its really amazing how POWERFUL this shit is, one toke of it completely destroyed me. This shit shouldnt be legal.
 
BlueAdonis said:
Wow that's pretty heavy.

I tried Salvia (extract and leaves) a few weeks ago and didn't feel shit. I followed all the proper steps, butane lighter and everything and didn't feel a damn thing. Maybe I just need something stronger than 20x?

I doubt you need stronger than 20x, to my friends they had a breakthrough with 10x. The 20x they said was too strong, it scared the shit out of both of them. It scared the living shit out of me, I suggest that you work your way up with salvia, dont jump into a full blown trip like I did.

I am very happy that I had a full breakthrough though, I've been wanting to try salvia for ages, but the opportunity has never arose.
 
Yeah, BlueAdonis, I don't think you need to go with a stronger sample... from what I understand most people have their problems with smoking technique. You have to take BIG hits, and you have to hold them in. You can't sip. For this I recommend a bong, or a gravity, or maybe even a steamroller. (Though I think the smoke might be a little too hot without water filtration).
 
SmokeDro420 said:
The bolded section describes the way I felt amazingly. It seems we had VERY similar trips church, and its really relieving to know that someone can understand what I went through.

There was a lot more to the trip that I didnt remember, and there were a lot of details I want to remember. When I was zipping back up there was a person I know - a girl - who I was zipping together with, but I CANT REMEMBER WHO SHE IS! I'm angry because I felt a connection with her, and want to figure it out. There was also of lot of shit that went on in the skyscraper city that I don't remember.

Its really amazing how POWERFUL this shit is, one toke of it completely destroyed me. This shit shouldnt be legal.

Funny how you mention this skyskraper city. I too remember looking out my window and it totally transforming into a downtown 50s new york area with tall sky scrapers.
 
wow. maybe i just need some stronger salvia cause i've never ever had a trip like that. hell i've never had a trip period. i just ordered some kratom and they sent along a little baggie of salvia 5x, i wonder if i could get off on it? i just now remembered that i had it after reading this report
 
Its good to be mildly stoned before you smoke the salvia too, to get a full breakthrough. I used a plain ol glass pipe with a choke, and took one huge hit and held it for as long as I could. If your stuff is 20x...your gonna feel it.
 
i broke through my first time, using a standard bowl with a carb, and a regular BIC lighter.. oh, it was 10x stuff too.. i got almost two full good lungfulls before i fell down/blacked out
 
dude don't get stoned before you smoke sally
that's why you're blacking out
you'd learn a lot more from it if you were sober

it's not a "fun drug" at ALL
i've never really found any "fun" qualities of it
it's like...a drug a lot more hardcore (although much shorter duration) than LSD or LSA or shrooms...

and NO it shouldn't be illegal!!! wtf
no drug should be illegal
it's all rediculous
just cause you couldn't handle it...
well, for me...
i smoke salvia nowadays when i need to get BACK to reality
the salvia helps me out
you're just thinking about it the wrong way, man

but then again
i don't ever want to LEAVE reality
reality is awesome :) much better than anything my mind can come up with
 
Leg said:

i smoke salvia nowadays when i need to get BACK to reality

I'll second that.

It is psychedelic in the sense that it re-minds one of what really matters when the clatter has been gotten rid of. It puts me back in touch with who I actually am and my body emotional and my priorities beyond the 'getting ahead' in the material world. And I value it for that.


Just the other day I had another breakthrough (but less intense than previously, definitely not carry-away material) experience - just breakthrough. Upon inhaling I just forgot the body, the now, the here, etc . . . I felt so comfortable though, this time, WAY more than before.

One reason may have been my generally more comfortable circumstances, but I think my physical position also played a role. I sat in the half lotus and grounded myself there prior to inhaling, and it was the first time I did not feel the habitual disruptive sideways pull that salvia tends to give me, the first time I had no physical or mental discomfort whatsoever on it. It was just like breaking through the threshold of death or whatever, but "I" (what was left of me) accepted it all, and a minute or 2 later all I could mumble was "oh this is private" to my friend (without knowing who I was talking to), and when I managed to open my eyes and I saw her, I had to laugh out loud cos it looked so familiar yet embarrassing, close them again, and I was gone for another minute or more...

I am keen to do more. It is a wonderful substance, and despite previous less wonderful encounters I can say that the Salvia Goddess has never treated me real bad, and I certainly have had my share of bad trips.
 
Whats the coolest part of this whole thing is that you can have 20 or so of those crazy experiances a night. Start to learn the rules of a different reality.
 
by the way, does anyone know how to dose the chemical extract "salvinorin a" on its own?

suppose I was in possession of 100mg of the pure substance not on any leaves at all... how much is enough, and how much is too much? I have no desire too find out part 2 of the question first....

how much is an active dose? afai remember it's in the microgram vicinity, even under lsd in doses. Will i need to do a dissolution in alcohol (vodka or something) and then take it from there?

Would it best be smoked or under the tongue?

If there is a thread on this that I overlooked, someone please point me there.

Thanks.
 
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