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Russell Brand: Addiction is an illness not a crime

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This has been all over the mainstream media today.
The full video is available if you click on the link at the bottom.

Some good points being made, along with the usual 'drugs and alcohol' pish (and the common inability to pronounce names of drugs). 'Methadrone'? :|

Russell Brand: Addiction is an illness not a crime

Addiction should be treated as a health problem rather than a criminal matter, comedian Russell Brand has told a committee of MPs.

The 36-year-old former heroin addict described addiction as an "illness" and said that those suffering from it should be treated with "compassion".

He advocated an "abstinence-based recovery" approach, telling MPs this was how he overcame his addiction to drugs, which he said was caused by emotional, psychological and spiritual difficulties.

He said he thought the money spent on arresting drug addicts would be better spent on treating them, as he gave evidence to the Home Affairs Committee on 24 April 2012, as part of its inquiry into drugs policy.

Mr Brand spoke alongside Chip Somers, chief executive of drug rehab charity Focus 12, which runs an abstinence-based rehabilitation programme; the celebrity became a patron of the charity in 2005 after seeking help for his drugs problem there.

Mr Somers said abstinence was an "admirable aim" for everybody, arguing that "parking" people on methodone - used to wean people off drugs - was not effective as it "locked" them in addiction.

Mr Somers also called for "more honest" information on drugs in schools.

"If you don't give them the good and bad of drug use they won't listen to you because there are children in schools smoking cannabis who aren't dropping dead," he said.

Later on, the committee heard from three opponents of the decriminalisation of drug use: Mary Brett, Kathy Gyngell and Daily Mail columnist Peter Hitchens.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/democracylive/hi/house_of_commons/newsid_9715000/9715471.stm
 
Mr. Somers said:
If you don't give them the good and bad of drug use they won't listen to you because there are children in schools smoking cannabis who aren't dropping dead

This is a message that's been repeated on several occasions to little avail. Very true though.

Any half-intelligent kid is going to experiment one day, and when it turns out that the propaganda which reliably told them they'd lose their minds on acid and be convinced they'd turned into a flying orange is a load of bunkum then they're likely to reject any other advice they're given. Especially if it comes from the same sources.
 
I don't think MPs would give a fuck if the Queen popped in with a joint in her mouth, and said 'legalise it y0'. Pensioners are the biggest block of voters, and it's poltiical suicide to suggest legalisation/decriminalisation/treatment in this country while they are still alive. Give up hope, and just wait til we're all pensioners, and we'll have our day :D
 
Mr Somers also said he runs an abstinence based rehab programme. So Mr Somers can stick his "tell them the good and the bad" because Mr Somers ultimately sees drugs as 'bad'.
 
I see your ideological point, SHM, but at the very least the guy acknowledges there is some 'good' in drugs. Which, although he places emphasis on abstinence, is a departure from the traditional approach

I'd also say that being 'parked' on methadone is definitely 'bad' if you're actually desperate to get off opioids completely. That doesn't mean that long-term methadone maintenance is intrinsically 'bad', only that that approach can be disastrous for a lot of people who just want shot of their addiction rather than acquiring a state-sponsored one.
 
Methadone is a symptom of a society that doesn't see opiate addiction as an illness, and is against getting high.
 
I see your ideological point, SHM, but at the very least the guy acknowledges there is some 'good' in drugs. Which, although he places emphasis on abstinence, is a departure from the traditional approach

I think he's lying. At least "Just say no" was a line they believed. He's just spinning a different line because he wants users to 'listen' to him. He makes more money that way. For his charity, obviously.

You can be indifferent to drug use and run an abstinence program for people who want to quit surely?

I don't believe he is indifferent to drug use. He's a cog in the wheels of the drug 'treatment' industry. He has a vested interest. And abstinence is in vogue.
 
First sensible thing I've ever heard him say. I thought his 'tory' comment was quite funny aswell. He certain had no problem in stating his point I'll give him that.

As always though it will fall on deaf ears. They wouldn't listen to David Nutt, they're not going to listen to Russel Brand.
 
I don't believe he is indifferent to drug use. He's a cog in the wheels of the drug 'treatment' industry. He has a vested interest. And abstinence is in vogue.

I don't really see what the problem is? He is advocating the industry he works in, but I don't think he is in the industry for money per se. He could run a non-charitable clinic and rake in the dough. I am against this middle ground bullshit of being put on a shitty super addictive substance to satiate the demands of ignorant retards too. It should be on proper opiates or abstinent. The general public don't seem to understand that it is actually possible to work while on opiates.
 
I often wonder what would happen if they took away my methadone.

Could I sue the drugs team if I lost my job/earnings thanks to the inevitable hideous lengthy withdrawals?

I'd happily pay for heroin if it was pure legal and cheap. Plus I could keep on working & paying taxes with no issues.
 
Does anyone actually believe Russell Brand doesn't use drugs? I'm not having that at all sorry!

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He is so archetypally, dammed, sexy though isnt he?!

Hes got a Jesus thing going on at the moment.. Perhaps its because hes crusading.

Making a stand for cross wearing there too with about 50 round his neck.
 
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I don't agree with what he says about abstinence based recovery. He doesn't want people to use methadone, or suboxone, or taper programs, he seems to want users coming off drugs cold turkey, which would be fair enough if it weren't for the fact that these people are at serious risk of having seizures and such as a result. When a person is at a certain level of addiction, going cold turkey will cause more physical and psychological harm than tapering...So I think he's wrong on that one but otherwise the guy is spot on.
 
I don't think he has said he is against tapering, he just thinks the overall goal for the want-to-be-recovering addict should be total abstinence. I don't think his recovery clinic would have lasted this long if he was just taking alcoholics off the juice with no benzos, or taking people off benzos without a taper.
 
Yeah I got to that bit later. The man talks a lot of sense. He's using his eloquence as a force of good! He's less of an annoying twat in my eyes now :D
 
I think you have to be very careful how you word things when it comes to drug related issues. Calling drug addiction an "illness" in itself will probably piss off a lot of non drug users. I've always seen it more as a possible symptom of an underlying mental illness. I think if you present it in that way, as part of a much wider mental health issue instead of its own separate thing then a larger group of people (non drug users) will be able to relate to it and be more compassionate towards the suffers.
 
What he said is shit hot I'd just wish they'd listen.

But then again one hit of ibogaine as opposed to the profits of methadone is always going to let talk like this fall on deaf ears.

I'm attending abstainace focused therapy and not only is it working I'm enjoying it too.
I'm just glad my tipple as been physiological chemicals rather than physical ones.
Anyone trying to get off them and does it has my upmost respect.
 
Russell Brand has an ego the size of Birmingham. He used to be a heroin addict, don't you know?

What a mess. On one side, dumbos like Lord Henley, who believe addiction will be eliminated by the imposition of a moral ideology. and forked tongue artists like the procession of rehab peddlers anxious to publicise their 'charitable' endeavours. On the other, 'celebrity' bigheads like Brand who had a few smokes once and now speak as the voice of experience and, of course, muesli belt commentators like Kathy Gyngell, whose tunnel vision allows her to claim Nixon ended the 'war on drugs.' In the middle, a collection of mediocrities with the guile and gall to achieve a Commons seat whose main concern is to advance their careers. Everybody loves the limelight and what should be a serious investigation into drug policy descends into a series of bad variety acts. Meanwhile, 300,000 UK citizens are abandoned to the mercy of criminals and the criminal justice system because they choose to change their consciousness in ways other than gin. We can laugh at their antics but this joke is in very poor taste.

Winston Churchill predicted future empires will be empires of the mind. Half a century later, an undeclared but very real war between belief systems makes conscripts of us all. People who claim to 'know better' generally don't. People who want to 'help' you by dictating how you behave usually need help themselves. Hold the line and don't even let them have the thought.
 
Does anyone actually believe Russell Brand doesn't use drugs? I'm not having that at all sorry!



Hes got a Jesus thing going on at the moment.. Perhaps its because hes crusading.

Making a stand for cross wearing there too with about 50 round his neck.
He's taking the piss out of Kathy Perry and her folks imo....

The bloke was a knobhead, still is and will always be one.
 
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