Benzos rohypnol (flunetrazepam)

[Eyes On the Roll]

Anyone tried these?
A buddy of mine told me about them. Since they've had such a horrible stigma to them as a date rate drug, I thought he was crazy when he said he used them recreationally.

I've abused mdma heavily from last february up until a couple months ago, and am still trying to recover from all the damage I've done (talking 500mg singe doses in a night of tested high quality mdma and mda). I've been trying to cope with the dissociation and anxiety for the past few months with 5-htp, valarian, melatonin, and the occasional benzo. It's really rough trying to cope from all the damage I've done, but I'm making progress, and I can honestly say my rolling days are over. I'm never subjecting myself to months of severe dissociation, depression and anxiety again, just for a number of amazing ass nights rolling completely face.

Anyways, I've come across these 1mg rohypnols that I can get whenever I want, and I must say, they are amazing. I've been using them every once in a while for anxiety, in 1mg - 3mg doses, and they are the best benzo I've ever had. I have no idea why they have such a bad rap.

Have any of you guys tried these before? I know they're really hard to get in the u.s., and I'm very lucky. I'm just curious on what other people think on them compared to other benzos. I like them because they don't make you tired to the point of passing out, if you keep it in the low dose range. Desirable effects are noticeable and present in low doses too. I also find them to be very recreational and fun.

My route of administration is to crush up a milligram or two, and sprinkle it in a drink of my choice (usually sprite or some sort of juice), and casually sip on said beverage. They turn a clear drink (like sprite) blue.

I also have a script to adderall that I rarely use (talking maybe 3-4 times a month when I really need to catch up on studying), and I take high doses from 40mgs ir up to 100mgs to cram in a shit load of studying and homework. After the crash I'd sip on a glass of 1 or 2 mgs and it litterally takes the comedown away ALL TOGETHER, without making me drowsy. I can binge on adderall and study my ass off for 12 hours straight, sip on 2 mgs afterwards, and a comedown is literally non existent.

I just can't believe they are so taboo.

 

[bennyZA]

Really? You don't understand why they have a bad rep? They're most commonly used to cause a human to lose consciousness. Whether that's for rape or what, they still are very good at consistently causing black outs. That's what they are primarily used for. They really have no medical use because, from what I've read and I could be very wrong, it has no unique property that cannot be replicated by another benzo.

 

[Eyes On the Roll]

Okay? You just described alcohol and xanax. Alcohol is the top date rape drug, and xanax has much more potential for that than either flunitrazepam or alcohol. The date rate capabilities for rohypnol are extremely exacerbated by the media. this drug should not have that heavy of a stigma. They have an extremely valid medical purpose. Do your research before posting and sounding like a closed minded fool

 

[bennyZA]

What's your deal. I guess I can see how my first few sentences could be misconstrued, as they were not meant to be mean, but the tone of the rest of the post seems pretty tame. Either way, what do you hope to gain by calling me fool. How does my post make me sound close minded. What about my mind is closed. I even mentioned that I could be wrong, that sounds open minded to me. And what research do I need to do? Look up what rohypnols primary use is? To find out that its use is mainly to knock someone out fast. To learn that it is the most commonly detected substance besides alcohol in cases of date rape. I can say with confidence that Xanax and alcohol are used for recreational purposes much more often than rape, especially compared to roofies. I hear about people using xanax and alcohol for recreation 99.999% of the time. I rarely hear about rohpynol being used recreationally. In fact, one of the only niche uses that rohypnol has is its powerful hypnotic effects, which is not favorable to recreational misuse, in my opinion. The only other drug I can think of that is known for date rape is GHB, despite it being good for recreation. Let me put it this way, if the average person were trying to get drugs to date rape someone, they would probably think of roofies, not xanax.

I would like to continue debating this issue. Only if you chill out though. There is no point to discussing if you're just going to flame.

 

[trip407]

For me its just another hypnotic benzodiazepine, its way overrated and the price on the streets have become ridiculous expensive since they changed the law in my country. I have primarily used it to increase the hypnotic effect from dieazepam or clonazepam.
Of course the fame as a date rape drug for this benzo is absolutly out of proportion to real numbers. Any other benzodiazepine in high enough doses would have the same hypnotic and amnesic properties. According to this http://jat.oxfordjournals.org/content/23/3/141.full.pdf flunitrazepam was only detected in 6 out of 1179 Urin samples. Many benzodiazepines have been detected more often, but of course this doesnt say much because i.e. diazepam can be detected for a long time.

 

[Dev0r]

Yeah the whole date rape thing was proven false as this only contributes to like .03% of date rape substances. I indefinately know alprazolam is more commonly used as a date rape drug.

I actually have a buddy who just got a bunch and was telling me about them and how theyre actually really good compared to other benzos.

Jesus you guys just jump on roofies like they're #1 date rape. thats like sticking to the stigma doing pcp with make you roll around in feces screaming bloody murder. get over yourselves you might as well just start believing in reefer madness again.


ANd alcohol and xanax recreational? If you consider BLACKING OUT AND NOT REMEMBERING SHIT as recreational. I guess so.

Cheers,

-Dev0r

 

[chetmanley]

It's called Flunitrazepam actually. I can't agree that it does not have any medicial use, why it was even released to public then?

I tried 3mg 2 times, it put me instantly to sleep, I was on bromazepam on daily basis for about 3 months before I tried for the first time. I have tried different z-drugs, Midazolam and a couple of other benzos with hypnotic properties, I have not experienced anything like that. Any benzo has not knocked me out.


If I would be a doctor, I would write it only people who have extreme insomnia and that person would have to try many-many other pills aswell, before I would give a prescribtion for Flunitrazepam. There are better hypnotics out there.
It's banned in many countries, probably there's a reason for that.

 

[bennyZA]

I can't agree that it does not have any medicial use, why it was even released to public then?

It has some genuine medical uses, but for the most part, there are less dangerous benzos that can do everything it can do. Rohypnol just happens to be the most powerful benzo in terms of loss of consciousness.

Either way, a lot of things are released to the public without much medial use.

 

[Survival0200]

It's still used for insomnia in e.g. Sweden.

 

[xxxyyy]

its amnesiac and hypnotic properties are no greater than a lot of other benzodiazepines used as hypnotics. in fact i always found it a rather poor hypnotic compared to say lormetazepam, temazepam or brotizolam. what for me truly sets it aside from other benzos is that it's genuinely euphoric. it's also very anxiolytic, all these factors make it for example excellent pre-op medication but also make it highly abusable. which is the reason it was recently rescheduled here alongside all the strong opioids and amphetamine and the like. which i think is absolutely ridiculous. diazepam and clonazepam are also abused en masse.
'most powerful benzo in terms of loss of consciousness'? are you fucking kidding me? it's not fucking propofol or chloroform. its onset of action isn't even all that quick and something like brotizolam puts flunitrazepam to shame when it comes to loss of consciousness.

 

[tricomb]

I find it to be one of the more tolerable, not as strong as the media portrays it at all, but I agree with the post above me. It doesn't put me to sleep but it's a great anxiolytic and muscle relaxant IMO.

 

[Tryptamite]

Pone benzo I've never taken, but I'd hop at that chance. People are shocked if I say that. It's just another benzo.

 

[shreddedlettuce]

Anyways, I've come across these 1mg rohypnols that I can get whenever I want, and I must say, they are amazing.

Yes they are.
But they will destroy you.
10 years of my life went by without me even knowing it.

All drugs are amazing, that's the problem, but rohypnol will destroy you and put those around you in danger too.
Any idea that you have when you are on them is a good idea, so you will do whatever you want because your subconscious mind is making decisions and you will do stupid things and you won't remember shit.

As I've said so many times ......... hypnotics are SLEEPING PILLS, take the pill go to sleep.

Rohypnol was my drug of choice for decades, I'm lucky to be alive from all the stupid shit I did, and I mean really stupid shit, but when I took them for a stimulant comedown they kicked in hard, it felt like I had just "double dropped" ecstacy, then when I started to get tired I would go get more meth, this hamster wheel I was in lasted so long I can't even remember my late twenties, I injured myself, I wrote off 3 cars, I got locked up for trying to break into a pharmacy, I alienated myself from my parents and from the friends I wish I had now (I'm 40 just for the record).

Yes Rohypnol is amazing, don't blame the medication, it's for sleeping and nothing else.
If you are not in bed when you are on them then I promise you that you are playing with thermite, never mind fire.

Don't know what else to say, cause I know exactly how you feel and I know exactly how they make you feel, please try forget about them as soon as possible.
I'm trying to help you here, please don't get into that hamster wheel like I did.

Just don't.........sorry but it is what it is, it sux, but I'm trying to save your life here.

Good luck, I hope you take this post of mine seriously, because I'm not joking.

Peace.

 

[xxxyyy]

^ sorry to hear you had such an overwhelmingly negative experience with flunitrazepam. before their rescheduling they were easily available both by script and on the street. next to alprazolam easily the benzo i (ab)used the most. and i can't confirm that they somehow stand out in the shitty decision department. i mean sure, i would say they're in the upper echelon just due to their potency and general pleasantness but no worse in this regard than any number of potent benzodiazepines, be they hypnotics or anxiolytics.

 

[shreddedlettuce]

they're in the upper echelon

No, they are in a class of their own.

They are the "Heisenberg " of benzo's.

In fact they are the most potent pharmaceuticals that I've ever had and even after 10 years being off them, and everything I went through, and all that I wrote in my post..........if you offered me one right now, I would take it without even a second thought.

So when I saw the OP say he can get rohypnol whenever he wants, which to him is awesome (and I don't blame him for thinking this at all - for me it was awesome too).

His whole story and description of using them to cancel a comedown ........... I could have written that, word for word.
As I said earlier, it isn't the rohypnol that is the problem, it's the being awake on them, and after a stimulant session the potency and relief they give will make you want to stay awake, I mean to sleep that feeling away would be such a waste.

Hence my story, some of the things I shared in that post are things that I've never posted about in the past, and only one other member has heard it, but I have made it public now to try and help the OP to "blow out a candle now and save him from trying put out a forest fire in a few months time".

sorry to hear you had such an overwhelmingly negative experience with flunitrazepam

Who said my experiences were negative?
They were fantastic, and that is the problem. I dodged many bullets, sure those were negative, but I had a blast and have great memories from those times, but in the long run (with a constant supply whenever he wants) they will cause him to destroy himself.

I would recommend rohypnol as the ultimate stimulant comedown drug as a once in a while solution, but you need to be responsible and treat them with the respect they deserve, however, a constant supply makes that impossible, and that's the whole point I'm trying to make here.

Surely it makes sense now, or maybe I'm just getting too old.

 

[xxxyyy]

you make a valid point. I used them differently. not as come down tool, but on their own, often in conjunction with alprazolam and alcohol. more than once it led to some, um, questionable behavior. I had a steady supply of them. it was easily the most fucked up time of my life. my mother had just died of cervical cancer which I watched for the better part of a year and soon after my girlfriend of 3 years dumped me in the most hurtful way possible and I just completely collapsed
. I went days without sleeping or eating. it was that drug cocktail that enabled me not to care and to just get on with shit again. was it irresponsible and dangerous? sure. but it was also necessary and yeah fucking fun.

 

[InHerOwnWrite]

The only reason rohypnol would be more effective as a date rape drug than xanax is that xanax has a very bitter taste that would be noticeable if someone slipped it into your drink. I had rohypnol many many times while i waa living in france and didn't really think they were anything special, they were just like any other hypnotic benzo. I enjoyed them of course (i was severely hooked on benzos at the time) but didn't think there was anything particularly dangerous or different about them.

 

[RedRum OG]

^klonopin doesnt taste bitter either, kinda minty or sweet

but yea rohypnol just got media-raped, its not unique really, and it absolutely is not THE date rape drug, in fact, im guessing its probably like #8 on the list. alcohol is #1, always has been and always will be. but you dont hear that, cuz its legal, and the media for some reason is cool with alcohol

 

[Akerman]

This isn't 100% staying on the OP topic, but regarding 'date rape drugs', I wrote my undergrad thesis on... well, I shall keep the exact title vague, since it's probably quite an identifier, but it's main focus was on the media hype surrounding GHB/GBL and date rape. Long story/thesis short, the G link was pretty much a myth. It possibly happened a few times, then the media started putting stories all over the place about how easy it was to slip the 'tasteless powder' into the drinks of innocent young clubbers, and it became a small self-fulfilling prophecy. It was pretty much the media that turned G into a date-rape drug. Furthermore, thankfully (at least in terms of what it says about humans) it still seemed to end up being used more to rob people than to rape them. Furthermore, overall, I found that almost all organizations working within the UK to help date-rape victims were guilty of actively suggesting that something may have been slipped into the victims' drink, and they tended to suggest things like G which become so difficult to detect, so quickly. The reality is that most men and women who are date-raped in the UK have simply, voluntarily, drunk themselves into a barely-conscious stupor. But, perhaps not entirely un-understandably (brain fart, I have no idea how this should be expressed in real English, lol) if you work for the police or a crisis service and a woman comes in, says she has been raped and doesn't remember a thing, she seems scared, confused... it's a very human instinct to blame the 'big bad' that is drugs, rather than try to ask the victim (or indeed yourself) to deal with the fact that perhaps if she'd had a few less drinks and her friends had stuck about to look out for her, she might have made it home safely.

Of the few studies that have looked into it, I seem to recall the general consensus being that, for most of the 'drug' date-rapes recorded in the UK, alcohol was actually found to be the most significant factor. Even where the victim was slipped drugs, without the alcohol...?

Similarly, most rapists wouldn't bother with rohypnol. Frankly, and very sadly, people binge drink themselves to the point of unconsciousness and then get left by their mates to sober up outside a club, with such astounding frequency that only a very stupid rapist would bother getting themselves into the additional risk and bother of acquiring rohypnol, or any known date-rape drug. At the end of the day, you're just leaving a bigger trail, more evidence, and a chemical to show up on a later victim screening. I'm going to leave that there, because I suddenly get the uncomfortable sensation that I seem to be writing an advice column for would-be rapists.

I have never taken rohypnol recreation ally, but I can see the appeal. Sometimes, you just want to be out cold. I also don't think I have heard enough first-hand reports to be certain that a few cases of serious addiction make it a significantly more damaging or dangerous drug than similar benzos and sedatives. I know that I damn sure wouldn't want to be caught with it, or, as a dude, have a friend or relative stumble across my stash. The association is too strong.

Now, for the OP, just because it seems like it really should be said - if you're taking sedatives recreationally, and aiming not to fall asleep, please do stay in your house, where you're safe from strangers, don't do it in the company of anyone you don't trust perfectly not to assault you/steal stuff from you/take photos of themselves tea-bagging you. Don't take it then have a bath. Don't mix it with booze then fall asleep on your back. You get my drift

 

[braziliandude]

Rohypnol isn't that strong, the media made it look like bad due to some isolated cases. It makes you feel relaxed but it doesn't knock you out for hours. I'd say it provides around 4 hours of uninterrupted sleep.
Halcion is a lot stronger than Rohypnol, although Halcion has some weird side effects during its acting period, just like Dormicum (Midazolam).