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Got some Theraflu with DXM however it also contains the antihistamine pheniramine and the nasal decongestant phenylephrine. Are these also safe to take in high doses along with the DXM?
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sekio
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No, they will cause high blood pressure and a generally unpleasant trip.
tricomb
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Do not proceed. If you want to use DXM find a product that contains just dextromethorphan.
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Bluelighter
at the dosage that i'm looking to take (just 100mg DXM) i'd only be getting 100mg of the antihistamine with 50mg of the decongestant. i doubt these are anywhere near dangerous levels. i'm just looking for the first pleateau. i've hit the second, third, and fourth before and the only one i find recreational is the first one where it acts sort of speedy. hmm..maybe i should just buy the good shit tomorrow to be safe.
tricomb
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To be safe, don't use the current formulation you have. I have never abused DXM but when I used to take it when I was sick, or in tiny amounts (~15mg) for NMDA antagonism, I preferred using Delsym, since it's pure dextromethorphan polistirex. This means it's in a 12 hour time release, which is probably not so desirable for everyone seeking to abuse it in higher dosages.
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Bluelighter
not at all. unless i wanted to get high for 12 hours.
tricomb
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You can defeat delsyms time release really easily, but I'm not going to advise you do that, someone who has more experience with DXM abuse can recommend a better pure brand of instant release DXM. I know you can acquire it online but that's not convenient for you.
You could google it though so you'd know what brand to buy at the store.
You could google it though so you'd know what brand to buy at the store.
HeadphonesandLSD
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Actually I've found Delsym doesn't agree with a lot of people in high doses, including myself. I'm talking horrible trip for 12 hours filled with a hurling adventure. I believe it was the "plastics" in Delsym that didn't agree with me but I am unsure. I wasn't willing to repeat and just the sight of the stuff turns my stomach now.
Like tricomb said don't use what you have. I know 100mg doesn't sound like much but trust me once you're into it you'll know even the 1st plat. isn't "mild". In fact, most of my bad trips happened on that plateau. These were not bad in the way shrooms/acid can be, more of an overall feeling of begin shitty. Kinda like opiate withdrawal times 5.
The only "safe" way to robotrip it to extract the DXM from all (most) of the inactive substances in product where DXM is the only active ingredient or obtaining pure DXM powder. If you can not to that the bare minimum would be using a product that only contains DXM as an active, but be warned the "inactives" in the syurp/pills you use can and will cause you problems at higher doses. For some people it is not as bad as others but everyone experiences some difficulty.
Edit: For brands if you're in the states I've found these two to be the bee knees, but you should double check the package for yourself to ensure there is only DXM and no other actives:
- For syrup I used Roboitussin "long acting cough" which IIRC is about 350-370mg of DXM per
z. You should double check that figure by the way 
. This tastes like a horses ass but it only has DXM as an active and it is available in most places I have looked. It is a little thick as well, and contains a small amount of alcohol.
- Gelcaps: Roboitussin Gels which are 10mg of DXM per gelcap iirc. I think it contains 300mg of DXM per bottle of gelcaps. These work okay but take longer to kick in than the syrup because they release slower. This also changes the feel of the trip itself (something to do with the DXM to DXO ratio in the body). My first trip was with these but later on I found them hard to gag down so I switched to syrup.
Those are the only two I ever used aside from the one time with Delsym. I found the syrup to have the least side effects, but even it caused the worse smelling gas I've ever had and constipation. If I were to use DXM again to obtain a trip I would extract the DXM though, chugging down syrup is just too hard for me these days because I know its going to be hell for a couple of days after the trip due to the inactives not agreeing with me. There is no way ingesting all that crap can be good for your body and I always felt like I'd been in a train wreck for at least a few days after a 2nd-3rd plat. trip.
Like tricomb said don't use what you have. I know 100mg doesn't sound like much but trust me once you're into it you'll know even the 1st plat. isn't "mild". In fact, most of my bad trips happened on that plateau. These were not bad in the way shrooms/acid can be, more of an overall feeling of begin shitty. Kinda like opiate withdrawal times 5.
The only "safe" way to robotrip it to extract the DXM from all (most) of the inactive substances in product where DXM is the only active ingredient or obtaining pure DXM powder. If you can not to that the bare minimum would be using a product that only contains DXM as an active, but be warned the "inactives" in the syurp/pills you use can and will cause you problems at higher doses. For some people it is not as bad as others but everyone experiences some difficulty.
Edit: For brands if you're in the states I've found these two to be the bee knees, but you should double check the package for yourself to ensure there is only DXM and no other actives:
- For syrup I used Roboitussin "long acting cough" which IIRC is about 350-370mg of DXM per
z. You should double check that figure by the way . This tastes like a horses ass but it only has DXM as an active and it is available in most places I have looked. It is a little thick as well, and contains a small amount of alcohol. - Gelcaps: Roboitussin Gels which are 10mg of DXM per gelcap iirc. I think it contains 300mg of DXM per bottle of gelcaps. These work okay but take longer to kick in than the syrup because they release slower. This also changes the feel of the trip itself (something to do with the DXM to DXO ratio in the body). My first trip was with these but later on I found them hard to gag down so I switched to syrup.
Those are the only two I ever used aside from the one time with Delsym. I found the syrup to have the least side effects, but even it caused the worse smelling gas I've ever had and constipation. If I were to use DXM again to obtain a trip I would extract the DXM though, chugging down syrup is just too hard for me these days because I know its going to be hell for a couple of days after the trip due to the inactives not agreeing with me. There is no way ingesting all that crap can be good for your body and I always felt like I'd been in a train wreck for at least a few days after a 2nd-3rd plat. trip.
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tricomb
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Yeah like I said you can get pure DXM, but most people prefer to do an at-home extraction. I vaguely remember someone breaking the Delsym time release by mixing it with water. Someone else used citric acid, but I really don't remember since DXM never held any appeal to me.
A simple google search will really help you, try "Delsym Extraction"
A simple google search will really help you, try "Delsym Extraction"
You can defeat the polistirex time release by shaking it up with coca cola or another soda. I think citric works as well. I've done it and it's effective. I've also taken polistirex straight and enjoyed the long lasting feel of it. I went through a rather unfortunate year long affair with DXM and I wish I hadn't. It threw me into a long depression by the time I was done with it, and helped my life spiral out of control. I also believe it permanently damaged my cognitive function and memory, as well as subtly change my personality. I think DXM is a really bad drug for teenagers and young adults for these reasons, and I wish young people weren't hemmed in to using it for better drugs being scarce, expensive and hard to come by.
As for the OP question, even at that small amount I don't think it's worth the risk. Products with DXM as sole active ingredient are so easy to come by, why take the chance when we know the potential downsides?
As for the OP question, even at that small amount I don't think it's worth the risk. Products with DXM as sole active ingredient are so easy to come by, why take the chance when we know the potential downsides?
HeadphonesandLSD
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Good points Deblanc, I think the safety of DXM is a little over blown. There have been many times where I've taken it and knew it was begin hard on my brain/body. I've lost time on DXM as well, and I'm talking hours (thankfully came to in the same place, but I wonder exactly what happened to this day).
I do find it very useful for controlling opiate tolerance and helping with opiate withdrawal. I've "rapidly detoxed" myself with DXM before by taking a 1st plat. dose the night before a day where I had to be around the family and couldn't use oxy (I was using at least 40-60mg a day at the time, sometimes more).
I felt very ill for the entire night, but come next morning I wasn't feeling any physical withdraw from the oxy and could function well enough to be around family until 10pm that night without getting ill. I went straight back to using oxy a few days later so I don't know how long this would have lasted but it wasn't a placebo effect because I would have been violently ill otherwise.
So in that respect I think its a great tool, but as far as taking it in high doses I don't know if I want to repeat that. I found the longer I used it the less I got out of the trips and eventually the side effects were not worth the pay off. I can see how someone could get addicted to it though.
I do find it very useful for controlling opiate tolerance and helping with opiate withdrawal. I've "rapidly detoxed" myself with DXM before by taking a 1st plat. dose the night before a day where I had to be around the family and couldn't use oxy (I was using at least 40-60mg a day at the time, sometimes more).
I felt very ill for the entire night, but come next morning I wasn't feeling any physical withdraw from the oxy and could function well enough to be around family until 10pm that night without getting ill. I went straight back to using oxy a few days later so I don't know how long this would have lasted but it wasn't a placebo effect because I would have been violently ill otherwise.
So in that respect I think its a great tool, but as far as taking it in high doses I don't know if I want to repeat that. I found the longer I used it the less I got out of the trips and eventually the side effects were not worth the pay off. I can see how someone could get addicted to it though.
HeadphonesandLSD
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I think this thread was more about the safety of what he had and not about the effects but I do understand what you're driving at. We discuss DXM in this forum a lot though, mainly because of the uses I mentioned in my last post. In defense of the OP when I first got on this forum I figured PD was for LSD/Shrooms and other traditional stuff and DXM/RC threads should always go to OD. After browsing around I figured out what went where but sometimes the lines can be blurred a bit.
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The OP is getting the harm reduction advice he needs here, and the original question brings up other substances that don't fit the mold for PD, namely pheniramine and phenylephrine as well so really, I think this is suited perfectly well to OD.
tricomb
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^you thought correctly.
Treefa
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Nope. rubbish..
There is a bottle of ****tussin cold$flu in my kitchen i have not so much as touched.....you get 2 or 3x as much bad shit than dxm..
I only really tripped once of the cough gells with nothing but DXM available at any local chain pharmacy or grocery store...
Only way to do it...
Had a decent trip untill we were on the highway smoking Loud'..I got COld sweats and shivering from hell which seemed like it lasted forever but didnt last but 3-5 mins tops.............keep a Downer on hand xanax or sumn..
Its a shit drug anyway ill probably never do it again...even though it wasnt a bad trip i just feel like its damaging to my body for some reason..
There is a bottle of ****tussin cold$flu in my kitchen i have not so much as touched.....you get 2 or 3x as much bad shit than dxm..
I only really tripped once of the cough gells with nothing but DXM available at any local chain pharmacy or grocery store...
Only way to do it...
Had a decent trip untill we were on the highway smoking Loud'..I got COld sweats and shivering from hell which seemed like it lasted forever but didnt last but 3-5 mins tops.............keep a Downer on hand xanax or sumn..
Its a shit drug anyway ill probably never do it again...even though it wasnt a bad trip i just feel like its damaging to my body for some reason..