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i know theres a large enough amount of people on here who dont do drugs for the number 1 reason of bettering themselves or expanding their mind. not sayin that they aint responsible just that unlike alot of the "never do anything but psychedelics and weed once a month" people, all the 'drugs as tools' shit aint the first reason for doin their drug of choice, its to kill the ______ pain, sadness, lonelyness, etc.

im one of em no doubt. This post is more to all the people out there who aint usin drugs as a mental playground but as an ease from all the shit in everyday living that u dont wanna deal with. yall know who you are i would think.

my "real vs fake" idea.
smoke weed when you are in some shit and realy got problems, even how bad they get smokin almost always makes everything "better." it makes ou think Oh its not that bad, even if it is. but for a fw hours you get a calm like, its all gonna be ok, its all good, it reassures you.

do a bag of diesel and u aint playin. you know everythings shitty. you know you got no money, nowhere to stay that night, whatever,, whatever it is thats eating away at you, you know its still there and it aint any better. you just dont care. cuz theres no fronts, you know why youre doin it and you know how bad shit youre in and its like satisfying in a fucked up way that you know all that, and stilll dont give a shit.

doin E pills goes into the first category, where it "helps" u work things out and all. but it tricks you, makes you feel like things are better for real and shit as anyone known.

doing xanaxes, valiums, etc. goes in the second category, etc.

you get it? what kind of numb do you like better, "fake" or "real", and to you which one is which?
 
I do drugs to get high occassionally. That's all. Nothing more. Too many people overanalyze most peoples reason for doing drugs.
 
I'm not sure I understand your theory but I use heroin and nothing else basically because I enjoy the high. I guess it's a trait of a selfish, hedonistic person to use drugs that affect your body more than your mind, I don't know really...
 
yea man i think most ppl IMO firist use drugs juss recreationally- juss to get high...but once someone become used to that high and the drugl...they find more spiritual and psychological values
 
i look at it this way:

there are pleasure drugs (heroin, cocaine, benzos, alcohol and amphetamines), that deal with (or mask) the symptoms of a deeper issue...

...and then there are psychadellics and weed (i classify ketamine and MDMA as having many psychadellic qualities). these drugs show you (if you want to see) the root of any problem...and sometimes give you the clarity of mind to figure out what needs to be done to fix the problem.
 
^ I don't agree with Ketamine being able to see the root of a problem. Ketamine and DXM most dissociatives are instant pleasure drugs that shut off/dull emotion. But I agree on MDMA being a psychedelic.
 
i've never had a purely pleasurable expiriance on Ketamine (they are alwys scary/interesting expieriences)...i think most dissasociatives help you face death (or the fear thereof)...but that's just my opinion...

(MDMA might be a better way of dealing with death...but i find value in Ketamine as well (i have never tried any other dissassociative)
 
Don't take drugs to try and get away from your problems, chances are you thinking about your problems even more on some drugs, others you will forget maybe for a shortwhile, then they will come flooding back when you are feeling vulnerable, like a comedown, not good.
 
Drugs are drugs. EVERY person uses them for the same basic reason, to change something in their body/mind.

You're theory is extremely subjective. Just because to you diesel (is that slang for heroin?) falls into you're "category 2" or fake drugs which don't help you, doesnt mean that the same applies for anyone else. It just depends on whatever 'reason' the user associated using the drug with. So it's hard to ask the question "what kind of numb do you like better, fake or real" when there is no definition for what is fake and what is real.
 
^^^ yo man hold up, my whole point to my post was "do you agree or what does it mean to you?" of course i dont assume the shit u just said i assumed, i aint stupid. im just askin a question to see if anyone else feels what im sayin.

yeaa i think everybodys missin my point

all im sayin is "Do you recognize what im sayin about theese 2 different styles of highs, and what one do you prefer."

Im not talkin about helping you work through. Im sayin

"Some drugs (e, weed) make you think "everything's ok" (often falsely) whle other drugs make you just not give a shit that everything aint ok. if you know what im sayin, which one do you like better?"
 
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I think it depends on the person.

I am a pretty big pothead (probably stoned on average 40% of the time I am awake) and I have issues with depression and stuff. So most of the time when I puff it does let me relax and forget my problems. But occasionally I get "too high" or I have a bad mindset and I can have a bad time with pot because it gives me lots of anxiety or minor panic attacks.

MDMA, I think, is *not* a drug to let you escape your problems. If you take MDMA with a bad mindset or some messed up issues you can have a really emotional bad time. It's never happened to me but I've seen it happen. Actually I think MDMA makes you aware of your problems but gives you the hope and honesty to work them out.

Opiates/Benzos just get you so faded you don't give a fuck. Even if you do happen to think about problems on these drugs most likely you'll shrug it off and forget about it 5 seconds later.

My favorite drugs aren't those which make you forget about or suppress your problems. They are ones that make you aware of what you need to do to make your life better and show you how to do it. That is why LSD and MDMA are my favorite drugs. I love Cannabis too but it's been a long time since I was still trying to convince myself that being a pothead was doing me any good.
 
^^^(in regards to lacey k's post)

best description of an opiate high that i saw on bluelight was that it makes you think that nothing has to be done because in your mind it is already done...so i guess opiates would make you think that "everything is OK" (i'm assuming that you mean opiates when you say that there are drugs that make you not care that everything is not OK)...

...but i think all drugs shift your perception somehow...i don't think you can say that weed (or any psychadellics) make you think that "everything is ok" (quite the opposite for me)...then again...i know people that use weed simply to forget the bullshit in their life...

...this thread is making me see that it's more of a matter of what attitude you have towards using and what you actually want to achieve that defines what type of "high" you get...

...then again i am very drunk right now...so what do i know:p
 
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lacey k said:
^^^ yo man hold up, my whole point to my post was "do you agree or what does it mean to you?" of course i dont assume the shit u just said i assumed, i aint stupid. im just askin a question to see if anyone else feels what im sayin.

yeaa i think everybodys missin my point

all im sayin is "Do you recognize what im sayin about theese 2 different styles of highs, and what one do you prefer."
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Ok that was really unclear. This follow up explanation made the idea a little less vague now and I see your intent.
 
i dunno man, i get that whole apathetic 'i know everything's fucked but who gives a shit' with weed sometimes too. i smoke, and i'll be all 'damn, i should really do this and this and goddamn some of this shit is fucked up, but who really cares? i'm high' - i've never done heroin but my experience with other opiates (which is minimal) is similar to that...i don't really notice much of a difference...I know what you're trying to say but for me it's all kind of the same.

first and foremost though, i just do drugs to get high, not escape from anything. i generally try and address big problems sober
 
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staypuft said:
i look at it this way:

there are pleasure drugs (heroin, cocaine, benzos, alcohol and amphetamines), that deal with (or mask) the symptoms of a deeper issue...

...and then there are psychadellics and weed (i classify ketamine and MDMA as having many psychadellic qualities). these drugs show you (if you want to see) the root of any problem...and sometimes give you the clarity of mind to figure out what needs to be done to fix the problem.
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thats a good way of looking at it. i used heroin because when a negative thought started to form, poof, it was gone and on and on go happy thoughts everything is fine. that aspect eventually faded with continued use.

psychadellics are great for finding and healing those wounds that are deep within our phsyche. so i yeah i agree with lacey.
 
I don't think drugs are ever the best way to go about solving problems. That's not to say that it can't be done, just that there are better ways which don't have the risks of addiction/dependancy/incarceration/etc. The mindset "Im just doing this to solve a problem" can change very easily to using drugs as a crutch/band-aid instead.
 
^^^^hahahahahaha

can only laugh to keep from cryin cuz thats too close to home
 
weed has never made me feel that "everything's ok"

I don't know where you came up with that one....
 
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