🧑‍🌾 Gardening 🧑‍🌾 Raw Opium

[FunctionalJnkieGrl]

Not sure if I'm posting in the right thread, but do the papaver somniferum seeds you would buy in a gardening store produce viable opium? I grew some Hungarian Blues and Giant Peony Poppies from Burpee Garden Products Co. Beautiful flowers have sprouted, petals fell off, I cut the pods, and scraped off the latex the next day. Smoking off of foil like one would with H was ineffective as was dabbing the raw opium like you would with THC wax/dabs. I guess i should just eat it if I cannot acquire a real opium pipe? But I'm really wondering if these seeds even produce viable latex or if my tolerance to other opiates is just too high to feel much. I heard you specifically need unwashed poppy seeds/breadseed, but I'm thinking I would have to order that and I'm paranoid about ordering it online (legality reasons).

 

[someguyontheinternet]

while we can't share specific sources for seeds or other materials, there are seeds available online and there are certain breeds of p. somniferum which are traditionally used for their opiate production

papaver var galania afgan poppy are popular I believe and you should be able to find info from other growers on what they used as different breeds have different levels of the varying alkaloids

 

[Them Witches]

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[Coffeeshroom]

Sorry limited knowledge but the opium plant Papaver somniferum L. Has the morphine and codiene properties in its latex/milky juice. And the more refined and so on, potency increases. That was one of the first full property opium plant they discovered.

Anyhow all that said. HR wise is this for medical or recreational purposes?

 

[Señor Moreno]

Yes, you are far better by eating it. Raw opium can be smoked but it's a massive waste, you would need it to be refined and even then you need proper devices and it takes techniques that very few people have (and I am not one of them)

But I am sorry to tell you that Hungarian Blue
yields a really, really low morphine content. It's a bakery variety, it's grown for its seed, said to be good for cakes, bread, etc. I honestly think that you won't get any good from it; I have bought batches of different brands in the past of absolutely inactive pods, no matter how many you used. The funny thing is that there is a very similar looking one, also from Hungary, called Blue Buddha, a pharma variety with very high morphine content.
For you to see, average dried poppy straw (pods and first innches, without seeds) containts like 1% of morphine in weigh. Hungarian Blue it's like 0,2% less; Budda Blue it's 1.6%. So I think it's normal that you aren't getting high at all

 

[FunctionalJnkieGrl]

Sorry limited knowledge but the opium plant Papaver somniferum L. Has the morphine and codiene properties in its latex/milky juice. And the more refined and so on, potency increases. That was one of the first full property opium plant they discovered.

Anyhow all that said. HR wise is this for medical or recreational purposes?

To answer your question, you could say its for both purposes. More medicinal in the sense that I'm growing for the purpose of hopefully using raw opium as a natural/healthier alternative to heroin and pharmaceutical/prescription opiates. I've been an opiate addict for nearly 2 decades and I'm desperately trying to be done with my active addiction to painkillers and tar. Kratom, weed, melatonin, and ZzzQuil help me get by between lapses in my recovery (on top of my morning coffee and chainsmoking throughout the day, of course). Its a nightly routine to help me alleviate the insomnia and restlessness that comes with the withdrawals after a bender and to help me obstain from harsher opiates to the best of my ability. I can handle the discomfort during the day, but I still need to sleep. I figured raw opium would be a relatively safe alternative to H.

 

[FunctionalJnkieGrl]

Yes, you are far better by eating it. Raw opium can be smoked but it's a massive waste, you would need it to be refined and even then you need proper devices and it takes techniques that very few people have (and I am not one of them)

But I am sorry to tell you that Hungarian Blue
yields a really, really low morphine content. It's a bakery variety, it's grown for its seed, said to be good for cakes, bread, etc. I honestly think that you won't get any good from it; I have bought batches of different brands in the past of absolutely inactive pods, no matter how many you used. The funny thing is that there is a very similar looking one, also from Hungary, called Blue Buddha, a pharma variety with very high morphine content.
For you to see, average dried poppy straw (pods and first innches, without seeds) containts like 1% of morphine in weigh. Hungarian Blue it's like 0,2% less; Budda Blue it's 1.6%. So I think it's normal that you aren't getting high at all

I gotta get some Blue Buddha seeds for my next harvest then. So I take it that papaver somniferum isn't intentionally bred/hybridized to have low opium levels then (I was worried that may be the case)? They just either naturally have a high yield or they don't based on the strain?

 

[doubledog]

It's all about genetics, you need some proper seeds of proven variety/strain.

Common poppy strains grown for seeds could have in average 0.3 - 0.6% of morphine in the pods (in weight, without seeds).
There are some strain with very low content ( below 0.2%), and also some strains with quite high amount of alkaloids (over 1.5%).

Don't bother with smoking, just drink it dissolved in small amount of some spirit (e.g. whisky)

 

[Halif2]

I figured raw opium would be a relatively safe alternative to H.

Safer in what way?

If you were shooting H, then consuming opium products orally would be safer in the sense that there's a lower chance of overdose. However, opium products (raw latex, ground up pods) are very addictive and also very difficult to withdraw from after regular use. There are a whole bunch of active alkaloids in opium which can make detoxing complex and prolonged. If your goal is to be "done with active addiction", opium might be counter-productive.

Opium being natural does not make it somehow safer or less habit-forming than other opiates/opioids.

Havign said that, growing poppies can be fun and rewarding. Given that you will get a very low yield of active material after months of gardening work, it is also naturally limits your ability to end up with a raging opium habit. The more likely problem is that after running out of your homegrown opiates, you'd seek out pills or H again because opium withdrawal is as bad or worse than many other strong opioids.

Good luck with whatever you decide to do, and be safe.

 

[Jeanpauldash]

I tried to grow a poppy plant from a somniferum seed in one of my apartments, BUT THE PLANT DIED. =|

 

[Señor Moreno]

Safer in what way?

If you were shooting H, then consuming opium products orally would be safer in the sense that there's a lower chance of overdose. However, opium products (raw latex, ground up pods) are very addictive and also very difficult to withdraw from after regular use. There are a whole bunch of active alkaloids in opium which can make detoxing complex and prolonged. If your goal is to be "done with active addiction", opium might be counter-productive.

Opium being natural does not make it somehow safer or less habit-forming than other opiates/opioids.

Havign said that, growing poppies can be fun and rewarding. Given that you will get a very low yield of active material after months of gardening work, it is also naturally limits your ability to end up with a raging opium habit. The more likely problem is that after running out of your homegrown opiates, you'd seek out pills or H again because opium withdrawal is as bad or worse than many other strong opioids.

Good luck with whatever you decide to do, and be safe.

100% agreed.

About buying pods, I quit ordering them long ago,, so I am not aware about how things are nowadays. They probably have changed, but maybe not, or not totally, (so I don't know how useful or useless my experience can be for you) but I remember some well known comercial brands that worked more or less well.
Lauren's Grape is a lovely flower with dark scarlet petals, and it did have enough alkaloids, it worked ok for me.
Hens&chikens was inconsistent in the quality of the batches, but good ones were ok. Not as beautiful as others, too.
Danish Flag was indeed a flower that I liked a lot, its petals often were partially divided, with beautiful and original shapes. A perfect election for gardening. Sadly, this one was fairly weaker than the previous (specially Lauren's), but it was active nevertheless.
I have tried others but can't remember well enough to give you reliable information. Then, I have been told about other brands that people say that also work, such as Wizzar of Oz, Giganteum, White Persian and others, but I can't tell as I didn't use them.

(Btw, this is not sourcing by any means. We are talking about legally marketed products that are openly sold in stores or online)