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Salandrion

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All my North American ravers what gives?

Why is it that in the United States, and it seems Canada that raves only go until 4.am mostly anymore. occasionally I see events till 5 but what ever happened to the 6-8 am rave? I understand the american legislation that makes it difficult, but what about up in Canada?
 
Hey I wonder the same thing... I'm from PA as well. I go to raves mainly in nyc, baltimore or d.c. however. It could be due to the rules of certain venues... not sure. I plan on going to laser disco on new years in dc and it goes till 6am. They still have raves that do but its a rarity. In the end I'm still guessing venues may be the issue.
 
4 A.M if you're lucky. Its getting harder and harder to get any liquor licence past 4 A.M (at least in Chicago). Luckily Miami and Vegas are just a short flight away. This September my friends and I left a club in Miami at noon (mind = blown). Should have seen the dirty looks we got from people on our way back to our hotel lol.
 
I've been down with the NE US scene since 97. My first party was continued for a day. We wouldn't leave a party till noon half the time. The rave act was passed. Individual states were pissed off at the blatant debauchery exhibited frankly lol. Parties started hitting over 10,000 regularly a weekend. Ecstacy rings were busted, and shit went down the toilet after 2003. 9/11 and the rave act legislation changed the game.

Things are getting better with dubstep but the American rave scene is colder and less connected than it used to be. It used to be a motherfucking family type thing now its shady out for themselves assholes feuding in different cities honestly. We worked collectively back in the day. Things aren't like that anymore.
Yeah I'm originally from PA as well. More shady shit back there. Lol theres always drama to be had in PA.
 
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Because most "raves" are held in legal venues that serve alcohol, therefor they must obey local cutoff laws. If you go to an actual rave you don't have to worry about that because they are generally illegal and don't have to obey local laws.
 
That sucks. The best part of the rave is usually always the morning set when the sun comes up.
 
Nice to see some PA'ers chime in. Ya I don't understand. My first party went till a little over 5:30 am, and my second party as well. But after that its been down the toilet. Most parties end at 3 am which IMO isn't much better than a club night. That's what's so surprising to me, in a place like NYC how is it possible that there aren't venues that operate just to throw raves till early morning? Liquor license aside, why should alcohol service preclude venues from staying open till 6 a.m.? I'd like to hear more responses, this is really interesting to me.

@Sinewave, ya you're telling me. There's only 1 promo team I support in my area, everybody else that throws raves are the types that everybody supports because there's no other options. Promoters are the shadiest people in the scene in my area.
 
Here in NYC most parties go too 3 or 4am. 5 if you're lucky. A lot of raves now are held at legal venues which require it to end at 4am usually. Besides, by 4am I'm usually spent anyway and happy to be heading home.
 
Salandrion said:
Nice to see some PA'ers chime in. Ya I don't understand. My first party went till a little over 5:30 am, and my second party as well. But after that its been down the toilet. Most parties end at 3 am which IMO isn't much better than a club night. That's what's so surprising to me, in a place like NYC how is it possible that there aren't venues that operate just to throw raves till early morning? Liquor license aside, why should alcohol service preclude venues from staying open till 6 a.m.? I'd like to hear more responses, this is really interesting to me.

@Sinewave, ya you're telling me. There's only 1 promo team I support in my area, everybody else that throws raves are the types that everybody supports because there's no other options. Promoters are the shadiest people in the scene in my area.
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Well they're not going to stay open for free. Are they going to charge you cover by the hour after 4?
 
SineWaveSoldier said:
I've been down with the NE US scene since 97. My first party was continued for a day. We wouldn't leave a party till noon half the time. The rave act was passed. Individual states were pissed off at the blatant debauchery exhibited frankly lol. Parties started hitting over 10,000 regularly a weekend. Ecstacy rings were busted, and shit went down the toilet after 2003. 9/11 and the rave act legislation changed the game.

Things are getting better with dubstep but the American rave scene is colder and less connected than it used to be. It used to be a motherfucking family type thing now its shady out for themselves assholes feuding in different cities honestly. We worked collectively back in the day. Things aren't like that anymore.
Yeah I'm originally from PA as well. More shady shit back there. Lol theres always drama to be had in PA.
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QFT.

I'm in Canada but the Rave Act was part of a North American operation. Permit laws and liquor licenses changed. Whole events started getting shut down if only one or two people were caught with drugs by under-cover cops, instead of just hauling away the guilty.

The last raves I was going to in 2004 were jungle. Then it faded to dub-step which IMO is crap and the audience it attracts is nothing like the people from the PLUR days.

Conservatives killed the rave scene in North America.
 
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Well they're not going to stay open for free. Are they going to charge you cover by the hour after 4?
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You're totally not a raver if you're questioning why a party should go on after 4 o clock.

Throwing parties wasn't ultimately supposed to be about money. The good people who often lose money just to bring names in and do this scene justice are the ones that end up throwing in the towel after all the shady profit driven bullshit.
Like I said my first party continued until the next day. From Friday till Sunday. They just reopened the doors while everyone went to the beach for a day.
If you have never seen headliners at sunrise you're missing out. You've probably already missed out because no they don't do shit like that anymore. There are a few drum n bass weeklies and a handful of respectful crews on the east coast I support. There used to be a hundred. You think we ever did it for the money? Man it was about fun, not what the bar did.
 
Yes it was about fun, but business owners don't give a fuck about a bunch of young people having fun. They want that money.
 
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You're totally not a raver if you're questioning why a party should go on after 4 o clock.

Throwing parties wasn't ultimately supposed to be about money. The good people who often lose money just to bring names in and do this scene justice are the ones that end up throwing in the towel after all the shady profit driven bullshit.
Like I said my first party continued until the next day. From Friday till Sunday. They just reopened the doors while everyone went to the beach for a day.
If you have never seen headliners at sunrise you're missing out. You've probably already missed out because no they don't do shit like that anymore. There are a few drum n bass weeklies and a handful of respectful crews on the east coast I support. There used to be a hundred. You think we ever did it for the money? Man it was about fun, not what the bar did.
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I completely agree with you but in the end ALL clubs are about money. I had my first true bender in Miami this September, I looked everywhere and spoke to everyone back home and no once could tell me about a club event beyond 4. AM. There are a few industry parties here and their but nothing mind blowing. Like I said in my OP Miami and Vegas are short flight away.
 
You should go on that bender the week of Winter Music Conference I guess. Its a week long party.
I totally feel you but get close to the scene at your homebase and you should always be able to find an afterparty. I heard space in Miami goes late too.
I'm old enough to where I wouldn't stay past 3 anyways unless there was a bomb lineup. I mean go to festivals, go to outdoor parties. Theres tons of those in the US. Nice outdoor 3 day bangers. Not commercial bullshit outdoor parties either. Good underground shit.
 
SineWaveSoldier said:
You should go on that bender the week of Winter Music Conference I guess. Its a week long party.
I totally feel you but get close to the scene at your homebase and you should always be able to find an afterparty. I heard space in Miami goes late too.
I'm old enough to where I wouldn't stay past 3 anyways unless there was a bomb lineup. I mean go to festivals, go to outdoor parties. Theres tons of those in the US. Nice outdoor 3 day bangers. Not commercial bullshit outdoor parties either. Good underground shit.
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Well my friends and I do after parties our selves, during the summer we would go to the beach after the after party and chill out...

Yes it was the space after hours experience that blew my mind. Arrive at 4am leave at noon, I love it! Locals told me that if the crowd is good the party goes on to 2 or 3pm some times! Better yet it was the same DJ through out the after hours, all drum and bass
 
You guys need to realize that the US government shut down a counterculture here. Thats what this is about. All that bullshit crack house law and the rave act were designed specifically to stop the people who wanted to keep this shit the way it should be.
Anyone who disobeys these laws are subject to seriously stiff multi hundred thousand dollar fines.
Its way too risky, really way too risky considering that most of the ravers you are trying to do this for don't give a fuck and could hold the keys to your freedom depending on how wreckless and irresponsible they decided to be that weekend.
We are notoriously irresponsible and often times backstabbers in this scene. It happens all over the place.
Why do it anymore if the people you're putting your ass on the line for don't give a fuck about you?
I was fortunate enough to move from the NE to the SE right when the NE died down. The SE scene was poppin up until 07 or so.
At first we were subject to some serious govermment animosity. Then profit driven promoters looking to BANK big time off of the populirization of EDM in America pretty much was the nail in the coffin. More crews broke up, shit went south. Here we are.

Now that it could be possible with the popularity of things to try to challenge the law which goes against our constitutional right to peaceably assemble, it almost isn't worth it because not many people today remember what it was really like to be a part of this culture. IT IS CULTURE

Its about being a part of something so truly unselfish and untainted that no wonder it didn't last. Half of us got hooked on hard drugs and weren't feeling too plurry anymore. Some of us got married, moved away, passed away... And all the while the scene suffered. Only to be chewed up and spit out by a commercialized culture so full of itself I don't want to be a part of it.

I'm a fucking junglist. I fight against all the flavor of the minute poppy no talent bitches now idolized by the mainstream. It wasn't about anything but music. I don't even need to see the dj other than to give him a lil props. I don't give a fuck what you look like as long as you have good taste and you can mix. I might not be able to trainspot but I'll get over it :D
Sorry for the rant.
 
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I really do apologize for going off there. I feel strongly about this. I grew up a part of it, and now its gone pretty much.
 
Montreal and Toronto I'm sure you can find parties that last until 8am or later. I'm pretty sure most headliner shows last past 4am. For a big party you want your headliner ON at 4am. Booze cut off is usually around 1am or 2am.

I dunno, call me old skool but the party usually doesn't start until 7-8am anyways :D

Comfort Zone in Toronto still runs until 8am/11am ish
 
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Salandrion said:
All my North American ravers what gives?

Why is it that in the United States, and it seems Canada that raves only go until 4.am mostly anymore. occasionally I see events till 5 but what ever happened to the 6-8 am rave? I understand the american legislation that makes it difficult, but what about up in Canada?
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Go to illegal raves
 
2after909 said:
never have a problem finding good parties in NYC that go until 8am or later. sure, in manhattan, many places close around 4am or at least stop serving booze at that time. but brooklyn is where it's at anyhow, so...
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I only attend Brooklyn parties. Sure, you can find an after party without any problems, but honestly by the time 4am rolls around I'm ready to head home and crawl in to bed. I go to parties early and stay late, after parties to me always seemed aimed at people who show up later in the night. Not for me.
 
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