Ding Ding Ding. Round 3 in a fight built on speculation. We could be here for a while. J
Brand-x, thank you for the challenge and forgive my tardiness. I must say, when I started posting on the net, my energy ran wild and I couldn’t wait to respond to such a debate. But as time has told, I have to gather up the impetus to do so. (impetus, best clutch song)
Well, when I had first started doing E, I went though one hell of a time. A time that I almost didn’t make it through, and I have the scars to prove it. I was one of the people who didn’t “know”. I thought everything I saw on TV was right and all my parents taught me was golden. I had used Acid and pot like crazy, but they only left me with questions still. Then I took E. Within a few months period, everything I had learned was conflicting with everything I was learning for myself. I went through a terrific depression with led me to having myself committed. I can’t get that far into detail cause it would take all night, but in that time, at age 21-22 I was ready to put on a robe and speak the word of the lord, whom I felt was talking directly to me. Don’t worry, I’m not crazy like I was then. But one of the things that bewildered me was this. I had decided that I was going to read the Bible. Not letting some priest guide my view, I would gain my own interpretation. So with all these revelations the drug was bringing me, and I was fully aware the drug was causing this, I read.
Genesis III, King James version, the Holy Bible.
3:1
Now the serpent was more subtle than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
3:2
And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
3:3
But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
3:4
And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
3:5
For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
Wait a minute. A substance that a human can digest, and it will make you wise? A thing to outline in your head what is good and what is evil?
3:6
And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
3:7
And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
Their eyes were opened. Have you ever look at your eyes in the mirror while under the influence? Quite opened I assure you.
3:8
And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.
3:9
And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
3:10
And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.
3:11
And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?
Now they didn’t die as God had said, not in the conventional manner. But who they were before, dead is the word. Just as Neo in the Matrix, you can’t go back once you “know”.
3:12
And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.
3:13
And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.
3:14
And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
3:15
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
3:16
Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
Side note. Whenever having a debate with a women over what sex is superior (which I do believe it’s equal, not by face value, but between the lines), I find out if they believe in the Bible, and if they do, I hit them with the “and he shall rule over thee”. hehehe
3:17
And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
Once again, you can never go back.
3:18
Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee;
Ignorance is bliss, right? I don’t believe that last phase is punishment for what he has done, but more so result of the action.
and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
3:19
In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
Ok. Shall return to the ground? Was he high that he needs to return to the ground?
3:20
And Adam called his wife's name Eve; because she was the mother of all living.
3:21
Unto Adam also and to his wife did the LORD God make coats of skins, and clothed them.
3:22
And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
From what I hear, aging is a symptom of a gene in our cells. If that symptom could be cured(if that’s what you want to call it) we would not age, and the tree of life could be a scientific aspect. As a knowledge of good and evil could come in a seretonin rush. (speculation, I know)
3:23
Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
3:24
So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.
As per Terrence Mckenna(sp?), the flaming sword is a dessert. I’ve have no further knowledge of his beliefs.
Now all in all, I don’t expect anyone to agree with what I’m saying, though some do. I realize it is “crazy”. And of course before something is crazy, normal would have to be defined. I am just sharing thoughts that I have had in the past, and explaining my view.
More to come, e_rep.
And thanks all for responding.
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