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KyleOpium

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Hey bluelight. I've been dosing with plain leaf kratom every day for about 6 months now (very low doses). On my days off work, I will use between 80-100mg of Oxycodone, or smoke about .2 of some BTH. I've run out several times, due to a drug test at work, or lack of funds, and I have never gotten any severe withdrawal symptoms that I've read about on these forums.

I do get mildly lethargic til I take a small dose of opiods, but it's nothing I can't work through with large dose of caffeine and ephedra.

I've never suffered GI discomfort, temperature fluctuation or any other symptoms of withdrawal besides lethargy, mild anxiety, and a compulsion to dose.

I'm wondering if I haven't been using large enough amounts to become addicted, or if maybe plain leaf kratom with once a week real opioid use, isnt enough to become addicted. My tolerance has risen substantially but no physical withdrawal symptoms.

I ask this, because I really do want to avoid any kind of physical addiction to opioids.

I have also gone through severe withdrawals from SSRI's, a 30mg per day Xanax habit, Severe alcohol withdrawal, and a prior crack addiction.

The "withdrawal" symptoms I get from opiods are very low compared to these other drugs, so maybe I just expected it to be a lot worse than what it was. Any info on length of time, and or dosage of when you got addicted would be a great help. Thanks.
 
Just wait dude. Keep doing doses like that or higher and you will know what we are talking about. I guarantee you that you will find out what real opiate withdrawal feels like soon. Nobody does opiates everyday without getting physically addicted it them eventually.

It takes a while for your body to build a physical addiction, but when it happens you wont be the same and you will not be able to use casually anymore. Thats just how it is.

I did heroin and oxycodone at similar doses for a year and a half until I got withdrawal. Not to be pessimistic but you will most likely end up with a bad habit in the near future if you dont chill out.
 
So you believe that even once per week dosing of oxycodone is too much? How often would you say I could dose without physical dependence. I don't care about tolerance, as that is not an issue, and I get free pills. I just don't want the physical dependence. I'd like to find out before I actually become physically addicted. Once every other week or once every 10 days maybe?
 
^100% yupyupyup! Can't caution u strong enough man. It seems like people that only use kratom for any extended amt of time get wds even so be easy man. If ur using kratom everyday then taking time off kratom substituting oxy and bth on those days then your not really giving wds a chance to set in cause u always got opiates in ur system. Sure u can go a day, maybe 2 without having symptoms cause ur relatively new to opiates but the longer u stay on them the shorter amt of time it takes for wd to set in. I get sick in 8-10hrs now after about 7-8 yrs of using Oxys. No H, just oxy. I gotta imagine the bth is much stronger lol. Dude just be careful man, if u can stop now why wouldn't you? Read all the horror stories on this site, they're not exaggerated or made up. My ex girlfriend started with pills and when that didn't cut it she went to dope, next thing I know she's tricking for cash, got raped and nealy killed. Opiates aren't for weekend warriors bro, it becomes a full time job...
 
Oh i must have misread your post I thought you were using oxy or dope everyday. If you are only doing that once a week you will not build physical addiction. However, using Kratom every day will result in dependance but nowhere near the level of oxy or dope. Once a week for any opiate is ok if you can keep it at that level. The problem is that it is very hard to control your usage after a while.
 
Thanks for the tips, cliffy and masters. I guess the reason I don't want to quit is that it seriously helps with my anxiety. Before I was 18, and still on my parents health insurance, I was prescribed both seroquel, and low doses of xanax for bipoilar/anxiety.

I got my insurance cut off when I was 18, and for 3 years after that I used xanax I got off the streets, sometimes up to 35mg per day, but usually between 20-30. The withdrawals, even from tapering an mg every week or two were horrendous, and I will never ever take another GABAergic as long as I live (including alcohol).

I've found opiates, especially kratom help immensely with anxiety, and its the easiest thing I can get, as I don't have access to health insurance. I guess you could say at this point, my use has far more pro's than cons for me, as it lets me work 12-16 hour shifts without even needing to sit down. I really don't know what to do to help with the mental illness, as I cannot afford any sort of treatment other than what I can find online or on the streets.
 
KyleOpium said:
Thanks for the tips, cliffy and masters. I guess the reason I don't want to quit is that it seriously helps with my anxiety. Before I was 18, and still on my parents health insurance, I was prescribed both seroquel, and low doses of xanax for bipoilar/anxiety.

I got my insurance cut off when I was 18, and for 3 years after that I used xanax I got off the streets, sometimes up to 35mg per day, but usually between 20-30. The withdrawals, even from tapering an mg every week or two were horrendous, and I will never ever take another GABAergic as long as I live (including alcohol).

I've found opiates, especially kratom help immensely with anxiety, and its the easiest thing I can get, as I don't have access to health insurance. I guess you could say at this point, my use has far more pro's than cons for me, as it lets me work 12-16 hour shifts without even needing to sit down. I really don't know what to do to help with the mental illness, as I cannot afford any sort of treatment other than what I can find online or on the streets.
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Shit man I definitly hear what your saying bro, my meds help me the same way. I can't be Hippocritical and say it doesn't help me cause it's all that works for me. I've gone through all kinds of treatment and been scripted at least 20-30 anti depressants and anti psychotics, not counting all the bullshit anxiety meds so my self medicating is really an end of line treatment. Drugs have fried my brain though, I was in the 98th percentile when tested back in school, now I can't retain anything without going over it again and again. It's rough though man, being your age with serious mental issues, I definitly remember how alone I felt so I can't hate on you bro, it is what it is. It seems like your still able to work and function in society though, so all hope isn't lost for you yet bro. I know it's really hard to deal with shit but your still pretty young and making a change now is much easier than it will be in 10 years. The time is gonna fly by for you man, if you lose yourself in these drugs/meds it's gonna make your life a helluva lot harder than it has to be. I didn't see it back then but I set up roadblocks for myself and now it's a bit too late for me. You don't want this kind of life man, I'm now on Ssi and live off 750$ a month. It's impossible without a hustle so I'm always risking my freedom, it's a shitty way to live looking over ur shoulder all the time. Your story reminds me a lot of mine at ur age so i just wanted to let u know how the story ends, it's bad man. Just don't want to see you struggle the way I had/have to...
 
It took me a while to develop physical dependence to opiates, but once it happened it took less and less to cause them again, meaning after I took a break I would only have to use for a little while before becoming dependent. Fast-forwad to now and it only takes 3 consecutive days of using before I have to go through withdrawals.

Another thing is that perhaps you haven't stopped for long enough for the withdrawals to really hit you. My first withdrawals took 4-5 days to really start, with lethargy being the only symptom to appear within the first couple of days.

As for how often you can use while avoiding dependence, I would say keep it to once every 10 days. I've known people that still got withdrawals from using once a week, although they had a longer history of using than you but it's still best to err on the side of caution.
 
once a week use isnt enough to get addicted. when i was using sporadically, the worst that would happen was if i used like .5 of good product in a day, the next day I would be super tired, but sleep through it. Now with daily use, if I dont use, I just cant sit still bouncoing off walls, dieing for some dope. I will tell u this, injecting keeps you well much longer. I stay well about 16-18 hours when injecting, 12-14 smoking. been hitting the needle too much this week though. went though 20 syringes so far. FUCK WALGREENS and their 30ml needles, i cant fit enough dope in there.
 
THE_REAL_OBLIVION said:
Well, you've clearly been through worse hell than most opiate withdrawal will "offer" to you here. Good god, I go 24 hours without my 20mg of valium and I start going batshit with tons of physical symptoms.
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I know. Getting off the Gabaergics was probably the worst experience of my life. Over a period of several months I weaned down, and was 51/50d a few times because of how crazy I would get. I actually suffered a seizure in the hospital, as they did not believe the amount I was on, gave me 2mg of ativan, and I ended up blacking out, and coming to on the floor.

I refuse to touch drugs that act on gaba, even little things like theanine and phenibut at this point.
 
Wow, theanine? I don't know why people are all apeshit about the benefits of it (and green tea), it just makes me more anxious, like taking a shitload of valerinic acid gelcaps, the compounds in valerian apparently compete and toss out some of the benzos attached to your gaba benzo subcomplex receptors. Don't take my worth for it, I've read plenty about this. Slow Cow drinks totally hype up my system.
 
No he's totally right, the acute hell on earth opiate withdrawal (unless we're speaking of fake heroin with bromadol and fentanyl analogues, like that guy who synth'd something 30,000 times stronger than morphine at his job who died in jail after getting caught, forgot the name of what he was making but....nothing medical or real heroin will cause this) lasts maybe 6 days tops, it's pretty easy (at least it was for me the illionth time I quit cold turkey with benzos and hydroxyzine as comfort meds by myself. I gave up when I knew I was in big trouble (my 2 benzo scripts, one from a neurologist who's hard to see as shit, and one from my psych would be taking at least a week in the latter's case and several months' in the former's case before I'd get rx'd (neurologist almost NEVER renews a script by phone, and yeah it was clonazepam, need it for nevralgic pain, yeah, its an indication of clonazepam, used a lot in neurology).

Benzo withdrawal (especially retarded doses like 30mg of xanax a day) can fucking kill you, hell just not getting my daily brea- 20mg valium + 1mg xanax a day is gonna get horrible beyond words by day 4 when the diazepam has left my system. The senses of touch all feel like you're touching something that makes you cringe like a fork on a plate, food will taste horrible, complete insomnia unless I use shitty 25mg seroquels, and even then its very unrestful bad sleep etc, not to mention sudden death from seizures that could occur anytime. You can't die from opioid withdrawal (well, normally, see comment about ridiculously potent synthetics). Shit just see the stories around here and that site benzobuddies and also Dr Ashton's website, the doc who invented the only humane kind of benzo tapering schedule, she's quite the authority on it, I just mentioned her to my psy doc and he was fine with it mostly, still wanted to go too fast at some point hence why I'm stuck at 20mg of val a day. To be safe when I decide to continue that fucking taper, it will be by 1mg increments every week or two, works well thanks to valium pill dosages too, makes it possible with 10,5 and 2mg pills. Not ready at all yet to do that, see us people with high intelligence (not me who says that, before I got in school here the government has kids IQ tests done for every new child before even kindergarten and grade 1st). Obviously an almost blank slate like a kid is where an IQ level test will be most accurate, I got 129, had college psychologists perform tests on me also later just to verify, scored 125 and 129....anyway I was saying, high intelligence (which says nothing about wisdom here heheh) coupled with a world filled with medicore minds will cause me GAD because people says you're abnormal from your young age. Fucking elementary school psychologists and all that shit, thankfully this shit was all done with by grade 7 in secondary school. All this to say is, until this world and certain countries stop acting like idiots who put us on the brink of total annihilation WITHIN THIS LIFETIME, I will need benzos then,or I will lose my shit, just put the blame on a curious mind
 
Once a week is not too bad. But anymore than that and your playing with fire an will eventually get burnt. Opiate dependence creeps up on you out of nowhere then grabs you by the balls with a kung fu grip.
 
Everyone is always worried about physical symptoms of wd, so worried in fact that they completely miss the psychological warning signs. If you're doing opiates one day a week you most likely exhibit some of these signs already as you use on a weekly basis.
 
I did that for 8 years before falling to the needle. All caused by the temporary removal of Oxycontin for OxyNeos (and generic oxycontins just like the old ones by 6 companies)....the generic oxycontins came out the day I came out of my mandatory 6 day stay at the detox facility starting a methadone program......talk about shit luck. Especially since when this happened my guy also never had IR Canadian Oxy pills, Supeudol/Oxy IR, which were never removed.

I was able to control eating 40mg max once a week with a legit pain problem, during the week I was using Empracet 60's (codeine, 300mg apap) then my jaw specialist dentist retired and I was left out in the cold, would bring proof of my x-rays to regular dentists, would suggest Percocet (in canada Percocet ends at 5mg) to show I had no intentionof IV'ing the oxy (what a waste of time that is anyway I learned later), dentist told me Percocet was for terminal cancer, lol yeah right, should have mentioned our ridiculous Percocet-Demi (2.5mg oxy per pill) or Oxycodan (Percodan brand name is gone, that's what we have now) which dentists have less problems giving, but I left with a 60 bottle of 2mg hydromorphone. On another visit he rescripted it but gave me a speech about how he was giving me medication for a long term problem while dentists do not do that....My pharm opi guy had only HM Contins 18mg or 30mg and Dillies brand name 4mg. For pretty cheap in both cases, so after eating a 30mg hydromorph contin one day and barely feeling high (don't forget HM Contins are 12 hours XR, not 24), I went for the needle.

So basically the government made me a needle opiate junkie. golf clap, I was double furious when I learned that generic oxycontins came out the day I left methadone ORT rehab/assessment. I had massive self control though, only had a daily benzo habit because my neurologist scripted me clonazepam .5mg bid in 2007 for all the nerve and jaw pain which has documentation and scans proving the fact that my left jaw is like one of a 60 year old boxer....

Not dicksizing, psychedelics made me very conscious about the dangers of using extremely addictive drugs, when I got meth pills, unlike people who would crush and snort em, I would eat em etc. especially since the scene in eastern canada regarding pills is really weird, white pills 90% of the time means meth/amps + a little of mdma or mda. Quality presses and colourful pills are MDMA/MDA/2cB with zero speed, pillreports support these assessments.
 
blime84 said:
once a week use isnt enough to get addicted. when i was using sporadically, the worst that would happen was if i used like .5 of good product in a day, the next day I would be super tired, but sleep through it. Now with daily use, if I dont use, I just cant sit still bouncoing off walls, dieing for some dope. I will tell u this, injecting keeps you well much longer. I stay well about 16-18 hours when injecting, 12-14 smoking. been hitting the needle too much this week though. went though 20 syringes so far. FUCK WALGREENS and their 30ml needles, i cant fit enough dope in there.
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Well once a week isn't enough if you haven't had a habit before, but once you have been dependent it becomes easier and easier to catch a habit again, so while once a week is fine for someone that hasn't been dependent before it might be too often for someone that has. I would say to wait 10 days between doses, but if you want to do it once a week then take at least 2 weeks off of it first.

The tiredness that you were referring to after using sporadically is what's referred to as an opiate hangover and it's happened to me before after getting really high. It would even happen when I was dependent, but after being tired and sleeping all day I wouldn't be able to sleep at all afterwards.

As for which ROA lasts longer, I always found that sniffing kept me well longer than IV, but I never smoked so can't comment on that.
 
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