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Question about dancesafe.......

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Lee

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After watching 60 minutes on Sunday and having checked out the dancesafe website a couple of times, what I would like to know is....how are they able to attend raves and test peoples pills without those people getting busted by the police? How does that work? Also, does Australia have a similar kind of set-up and if not maybe we should start an 'Australian' branch of dancesafe, make it global.
Love Lee
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good question...I'd like to know the answer too...if they do do it that is...
good suggestion...we should start something like that here...but keep it tied to BL?
 
i have repeatedly emailed both the american dancesafe office and recently the melboure ravesafe... so far i have had no respose so i know as much as you do... i have just found a telephone number which is apparently for someone from melb ravesafe... i will be calling them this week
oh and yeah i definitly want to do something like that here... i just wish they'd talk to me
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thanks guys. Johnboy I would love to know if you find any info on either/both of them.
Lee
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oh i forgot to answer your main question about how do they get away with testing pills ar raves in america... the answer is they sometimes do they sometimes dont...
for actual reports by people doing these test, or not doing them as the case may be, a good resource is dancesafes mailing list which you subscribe to here:
http://www.onelist.com/community/dancesafe
there is an archive of the list somewhere but i cant find the url... i'll dig it up eventually
 
You would have noticed on 60 minutes, that the pill owners were chopping the pills, not the DanceSafe dudes. Then the dancesafe people would drop the EZ test liquid on them. This means that DanceSafe is never in possession of the pill, ie no laws are broken.
oops, just reread the origional post and noticed that my answer had nothing to do with it. sorry, but a fine question!
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Keep On Rockin in the Free World!
[This message has been edited by CrazyAustralian (edited 09 May 2000).]
 
ok i rang Micheal at Ravsafe today. I had a chat with him about various stuff, i gave him my email address and told him to give Bluelight a look, he hadn't heard of it, oh well...
i told him that a few people here were intersted in helping out... is this right?
 
Hey JB, yes I'm interested, I think we could be doing more to keep people informed and safe, especially considering the amount of young ones around these days. I sent an email to Dancesafe yesterday but so far no reply. I won't hold my breath waiting, going by what you said.
CrazyAustralian, what you said was interesting...I didn't notice that people were shaving their own pills.
Lee
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well should i set up a meeting between us and them?
(melbourne people only, sorry chupa
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doesn't canberra suck?)
if everyone who is interested could please reply so i can get an idea of numbers...
 
hey JB, count me in.
Do you think they would be receptive to having a few of us bombarding them? I mean, have they been that active lately at raves (the last one I went to was 2T and I didn't see them there, not that I was looking!) I guess we'll find out.
Lee
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to tell the truth they don't sound real excited about much, i think bombarding them would be a good idea, show em that we mean it.
they seem to have irregular funding problems, but apparently they are about to enter a period of funding and new projects.
they weren't at two tribes but they were at GC (did anyone see them? where were they?)
check this out, in 1997 they had a heap of pills Gas Spectro tested as CSIRO, and seemed to think there wouldnt be much problem doing it again. i was gobsmacked by this and asked for the data, he said it was around somewhere and he'll try and find it.
i think this is one area we could definitly put pressure on them. i mean how many people here want to have their pills lab tested??
 
ok lets clear this up.
Dancesafe is the american organisation with the website and pill tests online etc. www.dancesafe.org
Rave Safe Melbourne are a local organisation without official connection to Dancesafe.
Rave Safe Melbourne are funded by the health department (i think) and there funding is not constant, i think they get their funding on a project by project basis. When they have the money for peojects they do them, when there is no funding they dont do much.
Just moments ago i received this email from Theo at dancesafe reply to the email i sent a while back. interestingly it is addressed to both Michael at Rave Safe and myself:
Johnboy & Michael,
Johnboy-
Hi, I am the community organizer for DanceSafe, sorry for the delay
in replying but things have recently exploded here in the US and that
has taken all of focus. Did you ever find any oz group doing harm
reduction work? i was just contacted by Michael Arnold who started a
RaveSafe in Victoria, his email is in the cc field. I have nothing to
do with are lab testing but I could probably say that we would have a
hard time working out international drug mailing, perhaps between the
two of you an Australian program could be taken up? If this is
impossible get back to us.
Two very good friends friends of mine, the gentlemen responsible for
initiating me into dance drug harm reduction currently live in
Melbourne, I included them in the cc field in can do anything to help
out, or have 2 cents to throw in. (hey Brian I just realised I cant
find ken's addy could you do the hook up? love -t)
I would love to go to Australia to deliver a workshop if that becomes
a possibility (know that universe has heard me who knows what could
happen
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Michael-
more soon, I will respond to your mail within the next few days.
Theo Rosenfeld
DanceSafe Community Organizer
510 205 9802
> ...unless there is one already. had a bit of a look but couldnt see one.
>
>
> (this email was sent to [email protected] a few weeks back and
> i've had no response, so i thought i'd try sending it to this list,
> and get input from everyone doing harm reduction work in the usa.)
>
>
> ah better introduce myself first. my name is johnboy and i live in
> melbourne, australia. i've been reading the dancesafe site for a
> while now and for the last year or so i've been the moderator of the
> australian pill reports forum of the new bluelight:
>
> http://www.bluelight.ru/cgi-bin/forumdisplay.cgi?action=topics&forum=
> Australia/Asian/NZ+Discussion&number=10&DaysPrune=10&LastLogin=
>
> since moderating this board i've developed a great interest in
> promoting harm reduction in australia. the oz forum of bluelight is
> undergoing huge growth, as is the whole site, and i am increasingly
> asked to offer advice and leadership.
>
> part of my involvement with the site has been in the promotion of
> E-Z Test testing kits and i am pleased to say that awareness of the
> test and its results is becoming more and more widespread. but with
> this increase in awareness, people are now asking for more acurate
> testing.
>
> A-J, at E-Z Test, is promising a reagent that will accurately
> distinguish between MDMA, MDEA and MDA, but this hasnt been approved
> for export yet, and perhaps never will.
>
> there has been much talk lately of posting oz pills to you for full
> gas spectro testing. i am loathe to do this as it is tantamount to
> international trafficking. i am hoping to get a full test set up
> here in austalia, but for legal reasons it would have to be covert
> for the time being.
>
> i have chemistry under and post grads with the gear who are willing
> to help but they are wondering if there is any source material or
> lab protocols you or your lab people might have that could help out
> with the initial setup.
>
> i understand of course the need for caution on your part but please
> understand this is a sincere request. someohow this is going to
> happen, i just hope there there are some handy hints you can supply
> that will make our attempts easier.
>
> i am also very interested in starting an australian chapter of dance
> safe, or getting in contact with an existing one. i must admit my
> net allegiance lies with bluelight but some sort of alliance would
> be great. i see on your website that full membership is only given
> after a workshop run by you... this might be a bit of a problem,
> unless you happen to be dropping by australia anyway
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>
> thanks in advance for any info or help you can supply. there is a
> sense of urgency as i would love to get something happening before
> the next round of big raves happens, which is after easter, and to
> be frank ecstacy use in australia is growing hugely and the need for
> real testing is great.
>
> cheers
>
> jb
>
>
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so it looks like its all happening now. it seems all the media attention is getting everyone fired up. i keep you all updated.
[This message has been edited by johnboy (edited 11 May 2000).]
 
hmm... I reckon if they're not going to show that much interest we should just move in and take over, go forth and conquer!! Take over the world!! .....ooops, sorry, just getting on my high horse.
Seriously though, they sound like they've had things on the backburner for a while, understandably lack of funds wouldn't help.
Did they give you a little insight as to what kind of projects are in the pipeline and how they are getting their funds, or is that too confidential? (seeming as though they probably don't know you from a bar of soap)
What Hamlet was saying about starting one and keeping it tied to Bluelight (kind of like a BL ravesafe) sounds good but then you might attract the wrong kind of people and publicity wanting to know about BL if you know what I mean.
 
ooops...JB..you beat me to it and just answered my questions. thanks.
I do have one more...what is gas spectro tested, how is it done?
Lee
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