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Quaalude / Methaqualone Compared To Benzodiazepines And Barbituates

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I would like to know from your personal experiences about YOU and Quaalude and why you think it was taken off the market. Ive heard that because supposedly its such a euphoric drug or has too high potential for abuse that it was pulled.

I mean does it really feel that much different than todays barbiturates or possibly benzodiazepines?

What is the closest drug to it now out there in your opinion and why do you think it got pulled? Does anyone know the exact date it became C-I in the U.S.

I would just like to hear your trip reports on Quaalude if you around decades ago when it was out and popular....
 
I had a steady supply of pharmaceutical Lemon 714's (quaaludes) in the late 70's. It is the most euphoric and relaxing downer that I have ever eaten. The only thing that comes remotely close is diazepam (Valium). I think it was pulled from the market because it was so highly addictive. The last one I came across was in August of 1982. I have never craved a downer like quaaludes.
 
If you ever look at the DEA microgram bullitins, you'll see that people are still making Lemmon quaaludes in clandestine labs, but instead of the active ingredient being methaquaalone, it's diazapam (Valium). So I'd guess that the most similar thing to it that you can get these days is Valium.

As for why it was taken off the market - barbituates have the most small hairline between a recreational dose and and overdose... that is - what it takes to get a really good high off of them is dangerously close to an overdose. This is the main reason why they were replaced with benzos, is because benzos are actually pretty hard to od on. IIRC, quaaludes had the smallest line between recreation and an od. So, it was kinda like the smallest line out of a class of drugs with the smallest line. So, what I'm getting at was, they were kinda just too dangerous....
 
i first had a lemon 714 lude in 1980, i was 14. they were the best. i continued to take them pretty much on a reg basis untill 1984 or so. they were banned about 1982 or so but they were still around till 1984 in my area... they felt so DAMMMM GOOD!!! lol
on a fri /sat nite id come home 4=5=6=7 am when i was 15-16-17=18 slurring my ass off looking and feeling a drunk feeling but i didnt drink, lol ( well maybe 2 beers or so but it was the ludes giving me that drunk look and feeling.. i would buy 3 for $10 and take 2 and hold on to the other one for either the next day or whatever... i didnt have a friggin care in the world on them... the bad thing was the people whom drove on them or mixed it with other drugs or took too many and drank too much with them. but me?? i used to take my 2 lemons, drink maybe 2 beers or so, and smoke a joint and i was nice ALL NITE and i felt it the next day. we used to call it "luded " the next day. and the next day if you smoked a half joint or so about an hour or two after you woke up you were totally luded for just about all of that days as well.
the closest thing id say thats near a lude these days are xanax.. the 2 mg white stick xanax are very close to them but STILL NOT quite a lude... lol
 
I'd love some Mandrax. They still make the stuff in South Africa guys.

If I was there for the world cup I'd be hitting that shit up like it was 1981.
 
This is one of the most sought after drugs in drug circles in various parts of the World. Never tried ludes but tried seconal, placidyl, chloral hydrate, meprobamate (mixed with 5 mg dexedrine), as far as the non-barbituates.

Everything you've wanted to know about how ludes compare to other sedatives, and other info about the drug including south africa scene

In South Africa its found near Cape Town. In he above posts their are you-tube pix of people smoking it.

Originally released as a non addicting sedative to replace barbs, the drug was used extensively in the 60s and helped define the 70s disco era.

Pharmacologically, its mech of action/effects slightly different than other GABAA agonist. AMPA antagonits. Barbs can cause hyperalgesia in the presence of pain. Ludes potentiate pain meds. they also have an antitensive effect. Some liken the high as heroin like, might be part of unique mech, it also causes antitussive effects.

Furthermore, it had a reputation of not just making guys but girls extra horny.
It was placed in schedule 1 because of a political outcry, ect...Some real ludes were going around in the US 84' or 85' brought in by colombians. They were produced by chem companies around the world and pressed in colombia. The DEA figured this out the companies cooperated when they found were their synthetic product was going. Since then valium bootlegs have appeared. The DEA agent involved is the same that led a world wide crusade against pseudoephedrine.

Ludes were available in mexico in early 90s. Mandrax went by the skang term mex x because the effects they felt were E like in certain ways.

There was a bust in Long Island, Ny and LA, CA were high quality ludes were produced until recently, back in april or there abouts

Qualude ring busted, long Island, and NYC

To my knowledge the drug is available on Rx only one place in the world, in Switzerland were it goes by the name of toquilone (Mandrax like formulation), rummor is you need to be a swiss resident, though. The drugs are produced by a pharmaceutical company in Cyprus I've heard, ironically one of the most draconian places for drugs in the world. In the first thread on page 3 I have you tube fotage of people smoking buttons of mandrax out of lightbulb pipes.
 
Barbs and Ludes were taken off the market as a response to all the accidental deaths and suicides and murders.

Robberies, rapes, homicidal poisonings... You name it was done with these drugs.

Benzodiazepines will never be in the same league as Seconal, Nembutal, Quaaludes, Milltown, or even Soma in terms of recreation.
I just can't see why they are even compared to Benzos.
 
Psychedelic Jay said:
Barbs and Ludes were taken off the market as a response to all the accidental deaths and suicides and murders.
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Barbiturates are still on the market. Although the stronger ones like Secobarbital are rarely prescribed and mostly reserved for surgery and other hospital settings. For sleep and anxiety the benzodiazepines have replaced the stronger barbiturates pretty much but they are still scripted.

To the original question:

In the U.S. Ludes were taken off the market purely because of fatal overdoses, widespread abuse and addiction potential. Its medical use was no longer accepted, therefor meeting the credentials of a Schedule I drug. Quaaludes were first marketed as a safe "non-addicting" barbiturate substitute. Obviouslly this was found not to be true.

Benzodiazepines then came along and substituted barbiturates as a safer drug to be prescribed for anxiety, insomnia and muscle relaxation. Although still addictive and abused, far less than barbiturates. Also a safer profile for chances of overdose.

Then came along
 
K'd-OUT-in-AZ said:
Barbiturates are still on the market. Although the stronger ones like Secobarbital are rarely prescribed and mostly reserved for surgery and other hospital settings. For sleep and anxiety the benzodiazepines have replaced the stronger barbiturates pretty much but they are still scripted.

To the original question:

In the U.S. Ludes were taken off the market purely because of fatal overdoses, widespread abuse and addiction potential. Its medical use was no longer accepted, therefor meeting the credentials of a Schedule I drug. Quaaludes were first marketed as a safe "non-addicting" barbiturate substitute. Obviouslly this was found not to be true.

Benzodiazepines then came along and substituted barbiturates as a safer drug to be prescribed for anxiety, insomnia and muscle relaxation. Although still addictive and abused, far less than barbiturates. Also a safer profile for chances of overdose.

Then came along
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Not the ones that have any value to drug abusers.

Phenobabital is nearly worthless to some people.
 
Psychedelic Jay said:
Barbs and Ludes were taken off the market as a response to all the accidental deaths and suicides and murders.

Robberies, rapes, homicidal poisonings... You name it was done with these drugs.

Benzodiazepines will never be in the same league as Seconal, Nembutal, Quaaludes, Milltown, or even Soma in terms of recreation.
I just can't see why they are even compared to Benzos.
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some benzos (diazepam, temazepam, flunitrazepam, nimetazepam) are above and beyond Soma and meprobamate.

but you are right in regards to the barbs and methaqualone.
 
still don't understand why Quaaludes were taken of the market, but not Secobarbital or Pentobarbital?!?

pento and seco abuse was far more prevalent and the 2 drugs are quite a bit deadlier than methaqualone.
 
kokaino said:
some benzos (diazepam, temazepam, flunitrazepam, nimetazepam) are above and beyond Soma and meprobamate.

but you are right in regards to the barbs and methaqualone.
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???????

You seriously think that any benzo can even compete with Soma or Meprobamate on a recreational scale?

That is the biggest LOL in world.
 
kokaino said:
still don't understand why Quaaludes were taken of the market, but not Secobarbital or Pentobarbital?!?

pento and seco abuse was far more prevalent and the 2 drugs are quite a bit deadlier than methaqualone.
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Not necessarily, quaaludes are just as notorious for the near O.D. for recreation.
 
Psychedelic Jay said:
???????

You seriously think that any benzo can even compete with Soma or Meprobamate on a recreational scale?

That is the biggest LOL in world.
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Yes...have u ever even done mepro?
I've done it on 3 separate occasions when i lived in Canada and there was nothing special too it.
I'd much prefer temazepam, diazepam or nitrazepam.

Benzos also have a far more recreational value than Soma -- at least to me.
 
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