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Pure Molly isn't always white, right?

Mr. Wobble

Mr. Wobble

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Just like pills, doesn't the color mean essentially nothing? So pure white wouldn't always mean it's the purest form correct? Just want to educate someone wrong on another forum.

L4M3 said:
MrWobble said:
@L4M3

The color of Molly does not indicate its purity. White does not mean pure/clean, chemists can wash the powder to take color out while being cut with something else.

Get a test kit.
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Uhh, yes, it does. Pure MDMA is white. You can't know if its been cut, but white does indicate purity.
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I would assume that actual PURE MDMA should be a clear crystal, but again just going on assumptions I would think that any color or cloudiness in the MDMA would be a slightly lower purity but still 90% or so, with the colors being more of a sign of impurities in the cooking process rather than a "cut" so to say
 
I could be wrong, but I THINK molly starts out as a brownish/red color due to the impurities in the process of making the MDMA. However, after a couple flushes, it gets more clear/white in color. But yes, color does NOT mean purity, because even if you have a clear/white crystal-like substance in a gel cap, there could be other clear/white crystal-like chemicals in it as well.
 
Yeah I think me and the guy misinterpreted each other. Pure MDMA can be white, but just because your powder is white does NOT mean it's pure. Know what I mean?
 
^^ you are correct. Just because you have a white powder does not mean you have pure MDMA. Even if you have crystals, someone could easily cut the "molly" with another crystalline material. There are many available white powders which are cheaper than MDMA and can be added so that dealers can make more profit.

@Dizzy: To clarify, MDMA does not "start off" brownish/red. The color of impurities can vary greatly depending on the method used for its preparation and the quality of the ingredient materials used. Sometimes the color is caused by a minute amount of impurity (<1%). I've seen brown powders that have tested higher purity than white crystals (using GC/MS and NMR) so you are completely correct that color is in no way an indication of purity.
 
From what I've heard from dealers, beige mdma is the best, followed by white, and follows by brown. Subjectively, I agree (I've has experience with beige and white/clear). Again not 100% on this...

EDIT: I think it depends on how its cooked. If anyone watches Breaking Bad, he cooks meth (which is made similar to MDMA) with a rare chemical that isnt usually obtainable to cooks, and his meth comes out blue, and is still very high quality/pure.
 
I swear we've been over this at least 3 times over the past month and a half. I know I've posted on it a bunch. Colour means nothing, as it all depends on the chemist's cooking process, and what he uses and how he flushes it. Legit MDMA crystals can be Red, Pink, Brown, Orange, Yellow, Beige, White or Tan tints, among other possible colours.
 
K-Dazed said:
I swear we've been over this at least 3 times over the past month and a half. I know I've posted on it a bunch. Colour means nothing, as it all depends on the chemist's cooking process, and what he uses and how he flushes it. Legit MDMA crystals can be Red, Pink, Brown, Orange, Yellow, Beige, White or Tan tints, among other possible colours.
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Yeah I've seen many threads, but I was hoping to find links/proof that color means nothing, rather than just user 'opinions'. Although I completely forgot to ask that. Wanted to show him that he was possibly wrong.
 
Molly of any purity can be pretty much any color. Just a tiny amount of contamination by a strongly colored chemical (or a dye...) can give nearly pure MDMA powder a tinge. On the other hand, MDMA could be cut with something that's pure white, which would dilute the quality yet make it appear whiter.
 
roller11dude said:
From what I've heard from dealers, beige mdma is the best, followed by white, and follows by brown. Subjectively, I agree (I've has experience with beige and white/clear). Again not 100% on this...

EDIT: I think it depends on how its cooked. If anyone watches Breaking Bad, he cooks meth (which is made similar to MDMA) with a rare chemical that isnt usually obtainable to cooks, and his meth comes out blue, and is still very high quality/pure.
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Beige/Brown can be MDA which is often called "Sass"

100% pure MDMA is white powder/crystal. All pure drugs are 100% white. Just because the powder is 100% white doesn't mean its 100% pure. But if it is 100% pure it will be 100% white.

You can make MDMA 2 ways. Extraction and custom synth. If they did an extract from saffrass oil it'll be brown unless they clean it up. If they do custom synth its usually 99% pure or higher and its completely white.

Some people color their molly with food coloring. That doesnt really change the purity too much.

It doesnt have to be pure because its white. It does have to be cut if its brown/yellow/whatever it got colored.

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Color means little, its just how well the chemist "washed" the finished product.

I have had extremely pure mdma (lab tested to be 98%+ pure) that was actually sand colored.

Mdma absolutely does not have to be pure white to be good and pure. Color should never be used as an indicator to determine if a substance is pure.

Ecstasydata.org has just received new funding and is now only charging $40 to lab test mdma (pill or otherwise) that you have. This cost has gone down considerably from $120 per test.
 
I get really disappointed and angry when people say "Only white MDMA is pure" because that's a whole bunch of bullshit they probably heard from a friend or dealer, and they believe it is the truth. Well, it ain't. I'm only 16 but I know my chemistry. I'm not sure I'm allowed to post this here (it's not sourcing/a synth process, but it explains part of the crystallization process), but it explains how MDMA may be a certain colour.

When you synth MDMA you synth it into an oil, which in turn you use "Dry" IPA, Xylene and Muriatic Acid to crystallize it - these crystals are a brown-yellow colour. It is at this point when chemists acetone was it. When you acetone wash MDMA, it essentially removes the brown from the MDMA. This is why I always say "MDMA can be Brown, Red, Pink, Orange, Yellow, Beige or White" because all colours (except for the red/pink - will explain later) are colours you can obtain from Brown/Yellow. As I've said a bajillion times - it all depends on how the chemist cleans his product. Period.

In regards to Red/Pink MDMA, that is different. There are many different ways to synth MDMA, and one of the ways through doing it is by turning MDA into MDMA. When you synth MDA into MDMA, depending on how you do it, you can end up with Red/Pink/Orange crystals (which you should acetone wash in the end...) because of a certain chemical you use.

Citation: Umm... life experience? A chemistry text-book? Iunno. I can't give an actual source as to where you can learn more as it's against the forum rules.

tl;dr - MDMA Crystals are brown once they get made, when using the most common/easiest synth process. The amount of times you acetone wash it gives it it's colour. Some colours (Pink/Red) can be obtained when doing a different synth process.
 
I'm only 16 but I know my chemistry.
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No. You don't.

This is why I always say "MDMA can be Brown, Red, Pink, Orange, Yellow, Beige or White" because all colours (except for the red/pink - will explain later) are colours you can obtain from Brown/Yellow.
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You are mistaken. A single substance can be the source of that brown color, and you don't get to magically sub-divide that molecule to give you a certain color, like splitting light through a prism. :)

The amount of times you acetone wash it gives it it's colour.
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Not quite. Washes and recrystalizations can reduce color, but don't normally have much effect on the hue. Red goes to pink. Brown goes to tan. (And eventually everything goes to white if the purity is high enough.) The color fades away, but the hue doesn't normally change, because you're simply reducing the amount of the contaminant that is giving the color.

There are many different ways to synth MDMA, and one of the ways through doing it is by turning MDA into MDMA.
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Shulgin was amusing himself with that particular route, not offering a useful clan-lab synthesis. Cooks with a stash of MDA sell it; they don't convert it to MDMA. It's an economic thing, not a matter of what's chemically possible; the same precursors are used for either end product, so if you wanted MDMA you'd go there directly rather than reduce yield and increase your trouble and expenses by going through MDA as an intermediate.

Citation: Umm... life experience? A chemistry text-book? Iunno.
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Ooooh, you're so mysterious and dangerous! As mysterious and dangerous as a kid who only knows what he's read in PIHKAL can be, anyway.

"A little learning is a dangerous thing;
drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring:
there shallow draughts intoxicate the brain,
and drinking largely sobers us again."

-Alexander Pope
 
You essentially re-stated everything I said. Yes, it is contaminants that are giving the colour, but even with the contaminants present, it is still pure MDMA. It may not be pure in a lab sense, but in a "street-pure" sense, it is still pure. Added to that, I talked nothing about sub-dividing molecules, I was talking about colours being derived from other colours (I know nothing about optics/colours, so this is based off of mixing paint in grade 3).

Whether Shulgin was amusing himself or not, it still shows that the colour of MDMA heavily relies on the chemist's synth process and his washing/re-crystallization method - something I've been arguing this whole time.

Mysterious and Dangerous! Mysterious, AND Dangerous! What a great way to look at myself - that line did bunches for my ego. My brain is immutable!

"Groups are made of personalities, and the interesting thing about them is chemistry" -Peter Hook
 
Environmental impurities obtained through the reaction. You recrystallize to remove these impurities. Like someone said, you don't really get a dramatic color change when you remove said impurities, so if your starting material is brown, it's not going to suddenly turn pink.

When you go into your organic labs in college you'll do recrys. It'll be fun.
 
K-Dazed said:
Fair enough, if synth process and the cleaning/washing process doesn't affect MDMA's colour, what does?
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The color is caused by the presence of an impurity.

It's possible for an impurity in very very low concentration to cause coloration, so the presence of a color does not necessarily indicate a poor quality product.

As to where the impurities come from? There are several possibilities. Synthetic biproducts leftover from inadequate purification steps are common in street drugs. This has to do with the lack of proper lab equipment (good vacuum pumps and distillation glassware are expensive), and general economic factors like minimizing the use of expensive solvents for trituration, extraction and chromatography etc. Other likely culprits are the quality of starting materials/precursors and reagents which can themselves be impure. It's also possible that someone could add another substance to MDMA as a cutting agent: the cutting agent could be considered an impurity, or could itself be relatively impure and the source of coloring.

Generally, as organic materials age, they develop a yellow-ish brown-ish color (like old paper for example). The reason compounds tend to turn from white -> yellow has to do with minor amounts of decomposition products forming over time (giving very stable aromatic products that are highly colored even in very low concentrations) These aromatic compounds are good at absorbing UV light, and as they accumulate, they pull a little bit of purple light out of the visible spectrum leaving you with yellow as the observed color.

^^a bit long-winded, but another source of coloration caused by impurity could come from aging/decomposition of the material.

K-Dazed: I apologize if I come across as condescending. You're mostly correct in regard to the general idea of your posts, but as they say "the devil's in the details" :)

Color indicates the presence of an impurity. However the absence of color does not indicate the absence of an impurity. Highly colored material isn't necessarily THAT impure (can still have colored material that is easily 95% + pure). The bottom line is: you can't estimate purity from appearance/smell/taste. Get a test kit and play safe :)
 
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