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Psychosis and the future of my drug use.

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c.Tech

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Greetings BlueLighters, I’m fairly new to this forum and looking for some advice.

I have been a long time drug user for quite a few years now and the way I used to abuse them in the past has finally caught up on me, after trying many different substances multiple times it was a simple joint which triggered my psychosis.

I have stopped drinking and drugs for quite a while now and am on meds treating my psychosis.

But this isn’t the end of me, there must be drugs out there that will be safe to use as far as mental stability goes.

I am going to keep clear of marijuana, phenethylamines, tryptamines and amphetamines because the risk of destroying my life with long term mental illness seems far too great of a risk.

I am now turning my attention to other drugs such as opiates, GHB, benzodiazapines and barbiturates.

Problem with these drugs is not only can they be addictive but the withdrawal of some may cause psychosis.

Don’t get me wrong, I would only use once in a while and don’t plan on binging so I can’t see a chance of addiction or acute withdrawal.

What are the risks for these families of drugs on my previous psychosis? Could the withdrawal of benzodiazapines or GHB after one night of use be enough to re-trigger my psychosis?

Also if there is anyone out there who has had psychotic illness in the past and been able to keep using please do let me know your opinion on the matter.
 
Honestly if I developed psychosis I hope that I would quit all drugs. My sanity is not something that I really want to play with too much.
 
Drop ALL drugs for a month and don't kill or hurt anyone. If shit is still bad, then stay on the lowest possible benzo dose you can. And if you have shit inside your head that hasn't been properly dealt with, deal with it. Find solutions. This can kill psychosis.
 
If I was sane I never would've started using drugs regularly in the first place. I don't think drugs took my sanity, I just think I never had it to begin with.

Anyway, to address your question: DON'T start using opiates and benzos, the odds are against you, you'll probably be able to use them only once in a while at first but eventually, often over a period of years you'll get dependent/addicted and withdrawal is hell! Seriously, if you're trying to recover from a psychotic break be very careful. The addiction sneaks up on you, I'm dependent on benzos that are prescribed by a psychiatrist and even going down half a milligram is uncomfortable. Opiates will sneak up on you too, but you're going to do what you're gonna do. Just be careful and do your research.


P.S. The most psychotic I've ever felt in my life was when I quit a two year xanax habit cold turkey, seriously, I've never felt more out of my mind, out of touch with life, dysfunctional, paranoid....the list goes on and on. Needless to say I went back on benzos within a few days.
 
I may have not given enough details on how severe or mild my case of psychosis is. I am currently being treated, have stopped using drugs and will do so for a long time, I have even stopped drinking.

Right now I am feeling no ill effects, when I was having problems I heard no voices, I didn’t see things which were not there. I only had bad anxiety, paranoia, dis-attached from reality and change in perception.

Does anyone know how these drugs which I named in my first post might effect the brain of someone who has recovered from psychosis and would still have a sensitive brain?

EDIT: Thank you for your replies, I will give opiates/benzos a try but after what you said, might refrain from using them after my first try, unless it was only a few times a year but I don't believe I have the discipline for that.
 
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Go to therapy of some sort and try to find out what the root of the problem is.The joint was just a trigger what ever was in your unconsious mind just came to the surface, but it was always there, just as it was for me man. Your fears and anger can continue to grow if you dont deal with them and if you dont this can lead to full blow psychosis and hearing voices and voilent out bursts. Reduce your stress levels as much as possible as stress seems to be major a trigger for all the negatives of your current condition.

change your diet dont do any drugs or alcoho....and get on some zinc, B6,b12, magnesium glycinate and glycine as your current condtion drains them all from your body and it is these you need most right now
 
if u can't use drugs anymore for whatever reason,
maybe u should look into getting high on meditation.

john frusciante (ex-longtime-gitarist of RHCP) was addicted hardcore to the opiates for years and now he rarely uses drugs anymore.
he says u can get better highs sober than from da drugz
 
I am seeing a psychologist, she is very good, trying to fix my problems.

She says the reason why I am mildly psychotic is because of my drug use and if I stay off drugs I should be fine.

I started on Zyprexa (Olanzapine) 5mg, when that stopped working I was told to increase it to 10, I went 7.5 first now I am on 10 and it's coming back.

I hope this is because I am getting a tolerance to my meds and not getting worse.

@ Coolio, check my second post, I described it all there.
 
How old are you? Tolerance doesn't really exist with anti-psychotics, have there been any new stress in your life, because that can make psychosis worse and then you need higher dosage etc.
 
c.Tech said:
...there must be drugs out there that will be safe to use as far as mental stability goes
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No. Stay away from everything.


Also if there is anyone out there who has had psychotic illness in the past and been able to keep using please do let me know your opinion on the matter.
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I have bipolar disorder, the most severe form (Type I). Believe me, I kept convincing myself that it would be safe for me to use drugs so long as I was taking my meds since my meds were helping. It just isn't a good idea and I suffered the consequences. If you want to stay healthy, stay away from the drugs. You don't need them. That is the best thing that you can do. Keep taking your meds.

Your past drug use negatively affected your mental health. Why would you possibly think that you could get away with using again? I know how tempting it can be. I know how much you can miss it. I know how easy it is to lie to yourself and convince yourself that you will be fine if you just do a little bit of this or stick to only this or that.

Don't fall for it, man. Please.
 
Stay away from all drugs and keep taking yhour meds. As one who has at times lost his sanity i know how valuable it is. It's really not worth messing with in order to get high.

I should really start practicing what i preach :|
 
c.Tech said:
@ Coolio, check my second post, I described it all there.
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I guess what I meant is; what do the voices you've heard tell you, and what things have you seen that aren't really there? Do they have some common theme or anything?
 
c.Tech said:
Greetings BlueLighters, I’m fairly new to this forum and looking for some advice.

I have been a long time drug user for quite a few years now and the way I used to abuse them in the past has finally caught up on me, after trying many different substances multiple times it was a simple joint which triggered my psychosis.

I have stopped drinking and drugs for quite a while now and am on meds treating my psychosis.

But this isn’t the end of me, there must be drugs out there that will be safe to use as far as mental stability goes.

I am going to keep clear of marijuana, phenethylamines, tryptamines and amphetamines because the risk of destroying my life with long term mental illness seems far too great of a risk.

I am now turning my attention to other drugs such as opiates, GHB, benzodiazapines and barbiturates.

Problem with these drugs is not only can they be addictive but the withdrawal of some may cause psychosis.

Don’t get me wrong, I would only use once in a while and don’t plan on binging so I can’t see a chance of addiction or acute withdrawal.

What are the risks for these families of drugs on my previous psychosis? Could the withdrawal of benzodiazapines or GHB after one night of use be enough to re-trigger my psychosis?

Also if there is anyone out there who has had psychotic illness in the past and been able to keep using please do let me know your opinion on the matter.
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If your psychosis was amphetamine related (which can be triggered by pot not caused) I'll tell you straight out withdrawing off opiates can ABSOLUTELY trigger it. But it depends on the amount of time between being off amphetamines and getting addicted to then stopping opiates (If amphets are what even really caused it).

I think out of everything you mentioned speed would be most likely to cause a psychosis, only because I suffered from one for years and years after I stopped.. and it was the worst experience of my life.
But even now like 8 years later I know from previous cold turkey withdrawals that opiates can definitely resurface some of the psychosis. What the psychosis is actually caused from is small amounts of brain damage, and opiates throw your body off in a way that for whatever reason sensitize that area of the damage. Then your body triggers age old symptoms of the psychosis.
I know this because the first time I ever cold turkeyed off opiates I had a good share of symptoms from my meth psychosis come back. I can name some of the symptoms but they are embarassing for the most part to talk about.
 
Coolio said:
I guess what I meant is; what do the voices you've heard tell you, and what things have you seen that aren't really there? Do they have some common theme or anything?
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I am not seeing or hearing any voices or seeing anything.

@Bojangles69 thank you for your detailed reply, it is what I have been looking to hear.

The drugs I planed on using was going to be every few months so strong withdrawals is out of the possibility but I if I was to be taking anything there would be a slight withdrawal when the substances wore off.

My psychosis was triggered by marijuana but my magic mushroom experience 3 weeks before probably contributed.

I thank you all for stearing me in the right direction.
 
paranoid android said:
Stay away from all drugs and keep taking yhour meds. As one who has at times lost his sanity i know how valuable it is. It's really not worth messing with in order to get high.

I should really start practicing what i preach :|
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Some of the most important lessons in life are taught to us by people who have not yet figured out how to put them into practice. This does not mean that the knowledge they dispense is not valuable!

I am right there with you on the losing sanity thing. Mania is no fun. I know that if I use drugs I will go manic. Maybe not the first few times, but it'll catch up with me again. It always does and it always will. It took me a long time to figure that out and then put it into practice.

Now I just walk/jog all the time and do strength training. I'm tiny, but I'm fit and happy, and when I wake up at 6am to go for a walk/hike it's like my new drug.
 
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