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Psychedelics for creativity

cj187

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My favorite thing to do while tripping is playing guitar. It's mind blowing. It makes me feel like I'm Jimi Hendrix. I can play better tripping than I can sober, and psychedelics have made me a better musician. Of course some psychedelics work better than others. LSD has always been my favorite psychedelic for music, although I'm starting to think ETH-LAD might be even better.

I'm curious about other people's experience with creating music or other forms of art on psychedelics. What substances have you found to be most effective?
 
I make tunes (not do much since the kids came along). I used to find psychedelics would take me in abstract cool directions. Weed was best, I always find it too hard to focus on acid or whatever to do anything especially constructive.

I remember I used to have to vet all my work the day after with a sober head, because things tend to sound way cooler than they actually are with drug ear.
 
Yeah, i love just playing with the tones and textures i can get out of my guitar on acid.
Taught me some interesting tricks that i like to incorporate into songs.
I also get an even greater appreciation for how amazing my Gretsch sounds with my lovely valve amp.
 
I don't really work on music when I am tripping but it definitely has a profound influence on how I approach music, helps me get past a lot of neuroticism/perfectionism as well as helping me think outside the box, it's revolutionized the way I approach sound...

OnceI've got ableton uploaded on a laptop again (very soon) I'm gonna start working on a demo/EP of psychedelic hip hop instrumentals (influences coming from all over the place too), had hundreds of beats saved but my old laptop is dead, luckily I remember the compositional parts of the good ones & I'll have a rest time rebuilding those & creating new ones as well...

Ive been a musician forever but only really "found my sound" within the last year or so & my psychedelic use (as well as other factors, moving out of my parents house "growing up") has definitely helped me do that & begin getting past the mental disorder issues that have held me back for most of my life (just turned 23)
 
2C-E seems to be the most promising for me. I found it to be a creative stimulant, I could focus on the task of writing music with unbroken attention for hours, with lots of new ideas and fresh perspective. It doesn't exaggerate the music so much either I don't think, so it doesn't trick you into thinking your stuff is way better than it is. I've only had 2C-E music sessions a couple of times, but it seems really promising and I want to give it more tries for sure.

I've also experimented with these drugs for music writing: LSD, AL-LAD, ETH-LAD, 2C-D, DPT, mushrooms maybe, and probably some others I can't remember right now. From my limited number of trials, none of these worked as well as 2C-E. LSD and AL-LAD were a bit too scatterbrained for me to actually get any real music writing done. ETH-LAD too, but less so and it's almost possible. 2C-D was too unfocused and fuzzy. DPT is not bad, but it's such an extreme music enhancer that almost anything sounds good, so it's easy to spend a lot of time making something unremarkable that sounded so good at the time. Plus DPT doesn't seem to facilitate a lot of new ideas the way other drugs have.

LSD has given me a lot of artistic insight while experiencing and pondering music, it just hasn't turned out to be that compatible with the actual creative process for me.

DPT is really an incredible music enhancer, it's a fantastic way to listen to a new album.

Of course weed is probably the #1 drug of choice for musicians all over the world, but I'm not counting that as a psychedelic here. Weed is a double edged sword in music writing: it fosters creative new ideas, perspective and getting into the zone, but it can also be habit forming and delusional. It's easy to think you're on some amazing new vibe, but really it's just the drugs. To be honest though, weed has definitely played a pivotal role in almost all of my best tracks. But it can really suck you in and is mildly addictive so it's something to be careful with, as much as weed is really considered to be no big deal these days.

IME with any of these substances the key to making them useful for productive creative output is to keep the dosage on the lower end. You need to be able to function in this real world, but you want a slight tweak for that different perspective.

PS: ramajamsam back your shit up OK? Absolutely critical if you want to get anywhere with your music. At the beginning it's not so bad to have a fresh start, but once you start getting some great stuff built up, you need to own that like gold you've squeezed from your mind.
 
4-HO-MET was most brilliant for me by far... the crazy visions were very inspiring for drawings.

I think LSD is fine for being in an acute creative flow... but actually I'm not sure what psychedelic has been good for playing the piano for me.
 
I suddenly remembered that I made a couple of great tunes coming up on oral dissociatives a few times. Up until the point where I fell into a hole of course, because then even sitting up becomes confusing. Diphenidine comeup was responsible for the culmination of a beautiful multi, multi, multi layered tune this year that's the perfect evolution of 100 ideas from the past 20 years. Maybe it was just a coincidence that I hit the right blend at that time, maybe it was the diphenidine that made it finally click. Listening to the finished article just as I fell into the hole was a pretty beautiful experience though.
 
I have had amazing experiences playing with creativity on psychedelics, without actually intending to compose music or write songs.

I once spent an afternoon on acid basically meditating upon the nature and quality of the sound i could produce from my very nice guitar and amplifier.
I sat a few inches away from the speakers, just playing the same chord or series of notes repetitively.
It was daytime, in my tiny apartment - so my amp, a quadbox combo - was turned right down low, but was still emitting some really beautiful fuzzy, naturally overdriven sounds.
All totally 'organic' - not a digital effect in sight.
Some of the harmonics of the chords, as well as the warm sound of the valve amplifer and resonance of the guitar gave me clear 1 and extremely beautiful - synaesthetic visions.

I began messing around with this technique where i would play a barre chord, and in the split second after i had struck the strings, push the volume knob level down - then back up to full volume again, before the chord had even started ringing out.
It produced a really interesting effect (i no longer use stomp boxes or any other kinds of effects to manipulate the sound of my guitar - but when i got the timing right, it sounded really psychedelic).
The words that came to mind to describe this sound was that it was like "golden fleece" or "dripping golden light". Sort of shimmery, warm and...golden.

It sounds like a hallucination - which the synaesthesia undoubtedly was - but the effect was really interesting, and something i have been able to recreate and incorporate into my playing since.

The music i made that day was nothing much i would want to listen back to - it was repetitive and exploratory, rather than musically experimental.
It was like taking a microscope to the nature of the sound i create, and how i can use my guitar playing more expressively and evocatively.
Another sound i played with extensively that day was to create a tone that i felt perfectly evoked the feeling - and colour - of sunshine; specifically, sunshine late in the afternoon of a summer's day, as the light takes on a certain (again) golden quality.

It is actually a sound i have compared to sunshine before - certain notes harmonising in an overdriven, overheated valve amp, and rung out with a certain amount of subtle, controlled feedback.

I was far too disoriented to concentrate on composing music that day, but i had some really profound revelations about the nature - and feeling one can create with an instrument.
All the while, my friend sat on the floor next to my amp, occasionally meeting my eyes with a wide grin, or a "...wow" and a laugh.

It was an entertaining experience for both of us, i think - i love sonic experimentation and seeing what sort of bizarre sounds i can get out of my instruments - like "can i make this sound like a saxophone? Or a synthesizer?"

Definitely very trippy, and a really fun way to explore both the psychedelic mindset and the heightened senses of the LSD state, but not something i would ever find interesting to perform for other people who weren't (unlike me) tripping so hard that verbal communication was a waste of time.
But i learned some fascinating things about how to get my electric guitar to create unique sounds through my amplifier.
It is so much fun to play around with really nice musical equipment on acid - just like it is a euphoric experience for me to listen and dance to sounds being emitted from a large soundsystem on acid.
The sound is so heightened, it is simply divine!
 
Drawing on psychedelics changed my life.
I cant even put words to some of the stuff that happens when your draw tripping.
Secret faces forming, your hand shaking in fractal patterns.

Psychedelics mainly lsd improved my art by such a large amount that i dont really know what i would have done without it.

Lsd gives us the ability to think far, far outside the box and i find the stuff you end up drawing on it is often more revelational than your "average" epiphany on lsd.

Seeing a painting come 3D off of a page and start conveying emotions to me that were helping me through a rough trip. It kinda changes you haha :P
It makes me want to write music too aint got the time for that :(
 
I also love playing music on psychedelics. Various ones are better than others for me. My two favorites are LSD and DOC in terms of really, really being in tune with my muscles. The 4-sub-tryptamines are on another level though. It's harder, but the level of creativity is absolutely groundbreaking. And then after I get past the initial shakiness, I tend to enter this perfect flow state where it feels like everything I am playing is telling a grand story, and I somehow know exactly what is coming. My friend and I do this together sometimes and we play perfectly together in this flow state. it feels like a no-fail zone where mistakes are not possible, like I am being guided.
 
2C-E is a beast for creativity indeed, everything becomes so clear. Electronic music can be a bit too involved for psychedelics sometimes, but it's very easy to come up with interesting rythmic patterns.

RE: tryptamines vs phens vs lysergamines, I see a certain "grandeur" in the tryptamine drawings of my girlfriend compared to the ones she makes on phenethylamines and lysergamines. The energy is so much different, on Ayahuasca she made this beautiful cat-like thing that could be some sort of cosmic god, whereas on 2C-E or AL-LAD she makes a pattern-y stuff or trippy portraits. All still very beautiful, mind, but it's very clear what the different sort of trips do for her art.
 
My favorite outlet for creativity on psychedelics is dancing. I just love moving and jumping around and letting the energy flow out of me in all sorts of crazy patterns. I get really into it too, to the point that most psychedelics these days can't even give me enough physical endurance to keep at it for very long, but it's tons of fun while it lasts.

So far, I would have to say that the most enjoyable psychedelics for me to do this on have been LSD, 4-HO-MET, 4-HO-MPT, and 5-MeO-MiPT, but even then, almost all psychedelics that give me any energy at all are good for it. Though, it's especially nice on the ones that also have great music enhancement.

I haven't done this in a while, but I also find drawing things I've seen or imagined on psychedelics to be enjoyable. Though, I prefer to do it after the experience, since during it I'd rather just observe.
 
Electronic music/computers in general are indeed a bit too complicated to toy with when on psychedelics (very often even if I have all the stuff up and running I'll see no point in doing anything and just focus on the trip), BUT there was one time when I had access to a large old house with a pair of somewhat powerful speakers in the basement, which when cranked loud enough would make the entire house shake - while on LSD I had a blast playing loops of my own music and re-recording the house itself vibrating (I think I did 3 or 4 passes of this!). Some of the most fun I ever had on psychedelics - I'm not sure I would have had this idea otherwise.

As far as making music on psychedelics goes, the main problem for me is time dilation, especially if I'm recording: I'll think I captured plenty of material when in fact it's way less.

Of course dancing when tripping is awesome - I just can never figure out the right dose to be more than just lightly tripping, but still comfortable around people/strangers. Very small doses are always safe, but on a few occasions when I took too much to handle a dance party, I just disappeared and tripped out on my own, which is fine, but then I always get overwhelmed with FOMO and regret!
 
The very best substance I know of for dancing, bar none, is 3-MeO-PCP. If you add some to a psychedelic it really helps with this.
 
My favorite outlet for creativity on psychedelics is dancing.

Yeah I'm with you there. Dancing your ass off on psychedelics to a huge well tuned sound system playing amazing music is one of heights of human experience.

The very best substance I know of for dancing, bar none, is 3-MeO-PCP. If you add some to a psychedelic it really helps with this.

Huh that's saying a lot cause I know you've been around the block Xorkoth.
 
Yeah, it has that dissociative release of inhibitions coupled with some light hypomania and energy, and a near-total lack of suppressing the ability to function physically. That's what makes it so great.
 
4-HO-MET still beats 3-MeO-PCP for me in the dancing, though they're both amazing. I guess that combo will be what I'm looking for but I'm sadly out of 4-HO-MET :(

That said, I will pick 3-MeO-PCP any time over the tryptamine because it works much better socially. Especially in clubs and stuff, having an egomanic episode really helps you have a great time (and loose your wallet and jacket and everything else you own because you don't give a fuck about anything)
 
I just don't seem to get the hypomania that everyone talks about with 3-MeO-PCP. I keep trying to use it and have experiences like everyone talks about on here, and sometimes I hit a spiritual state of flow where esoteric concepts and reality clicks, but I just can't seem to reach a good flowy social state. It makes me feel uncomfortable around others almost no matter how I dose it.
 
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