Miscellaneous Psychedelics fake beauty, fake love

[Synaps3]

So I am wondering if anyone else who's tried psychedelics dislikes them simply because they feel fake. I've tried a lot of different drugs from many different classes and enjoy many of them, however, there's something about psychedelics that just gives me a bad vibe. It's like false hope, fake beauty, tainted love. I feel almost like I'm being taken advantage of by some evil energy or something. It's hard to describe and I know there is really no logic behind it, but they just make me feel 'wrong', but sometimes I like them. Anyone else feel this way?

I think it comes from that fact that they are the only drugs that try to replicate true love. Other drugs can just make you feel really good, but not like true love, and that's something that when you get it from a chemical instead of people, it feels evil. What do you think?

 

[Burnt Offerings]

I think there definitely is a risk of people taking some of the "suggestions" that psychedelic hallucinogens give them too seriously...I think that the old stereotype of the old burn out hippy spouting a bunch of New Age hippy bullshit and thinking it's profound truth has some basis in fact. A lot of fellow users of psychedelic hallucinogens have beliefs that I find ridiculous, honestly.

I never really got feelings of love from them, though. Mostly the only thing that's consistent with almost every experience I've had with them as a class of drug is a generalized desire to be a better person, especially to other people. Which I think is a good thing...plus I think drugs like psilocybin and LSD are fantastic atypical anti-depressants.

 

[Thomas Davie]

Psychedelics don't try to replicate anything.

People are chemicals.

People are real.

Chemicals are real.

What chemicals can *allow* you to feel is and are real. No less real than the love from, with or to another human being. Love is chemical. Reality is neorotransmitters.

No, I'm not being facetious - just trying to point out that you can't slag one class of drugs or state that they are any less valid or more evil than anything else. No drug is evil; it just 'is'.

Tom

 

[Cream Gravy?]

I experienced the purest, most beautiful love for the world last Saturday on 250ug of ALD-52... I don't know where you're getting this 'fake' theory, I personally never feel more real than when I'm peaking on acid. It's stuff like cocaine and alcohol that makes me feel fake and like my feelings are only chemically induced. One man's love is another man's pseudo-love I guess.

 

[Help?!?!]

I experienced the purest, most beautiful love for the world last Saturday on 250ug of ALD-52... I don't know where you're getting this 'fake' theory, I personally never feel more real than when I'm peaking on acid. It's stuff like cocaine and alcohol that makes me feel fake and like my feelings are only chemically induced. One man's love is another man's pseudo-love I guess.

This. Psychedelics, herb, and dissociatives are as real as it gets.

 

[gandalfe]

People that are not spiritual in nature, will find no spirituality or authenticity, with psychedelics.They will find them fake and artificial.Those that take these substances with reverence and a spiritual focus, will uncover all kinds of beauty and mystery from them.I have lived a long life and find that some of my finest, most loving, spiritual moments were experienced under the influence of a powerful psychedelic.One shouldn't scrimp with the dose, though, and a lot of bad trips are caused by not taking enough.Nature is the best setting, for experiencing deeper psychedelic spirituality.

 

[burn out]

I agree with the above post, psychedelics are tools I use to help me remove the blocks in my being to real love. The glimpses they give of real love aren't fake imo, they are simply glimpses of what is possible. Just because it might disappear when the substances wears off doesnt mean its fake, only that you are not yet capable of having that be your every day reality. But that doesn't mean what you currently experience is how things will always be.

 

[Burnt Offerings]

No drug is evil; it just 'is'.

I don't think that the OP was trying to make any sort of objective claim in regards to the nature of psychedelics, I think they were just sharing their own subjective experience and wondering if any other people shared their opinion.

 

[Lexx23]

So I am wondering if anyone else who's tried psychedelics dislikes them simply because they feel fake. I've tried a lot of different drugs from many different classes and enjoy many of them, however, there's something about psychedelics that just gives me a bad vibe. It's like false hope, fake beauty, tainted love. I feel almost like I'm being taken advantage of by some evil energy or something. It's hard to describe and I know there is really no logic behind it, but they just make me feel 'wrong', but sometimes I like them. Anyone else feel this way?

I think it comes from that fact that they are the only drugs that try to replicate true love. Other drugs can just make you feel really good, but not like true love, and that's something that when you get it from a chemical instead of people, it feels evil. What do you think?

[h=1]That was the fatal flaw in Tim Leary's trip. He crashed around America selling "consciousness expansion" without ever giving a thought to the grim meat-hook realities that were lying in wait for all the people who took him seriously... All those pathetically eager acid freaks who thought they could buy Peace and Understanding for three bucks a hit. But their loss and failure is ours too. What Leary took down with him was the central illusion of a whole life-style that he helped create... a generation of permanent cripples, failed seekers, who never understood the essential old-mystic fallacy of the Acid Culture: the desperate assumption that somebody... or at least some force - is tending the light at the end of the tunnel.” - Hunter Thompson

But no, sounds like you are describing MDMA hooking up more to me than psychs.

Psychs feels more real than reality.[/h]

 

[The Hypnotist]

I think they can unleash not common things in our mind. So the fake feeling or the feeling of true reality it might just be different perspectives of the same feeling.
You can embrace the reality you are seeing as the ultimate truth or you can just think it is fake tricks your mind plays on you. It's kind of tricky to keep somewhere in the middle.
Getting into deciding if that can be chosen will be getting into the determinist vs freewill discusion. Something always quite disturbing, confusing and mind-blowing.
I like to think they show us reality at its best, and that they are really healing things to incorporate in a live. But I keep doubting about it.

 

[Lexx23]

I think there definitely is a risk of people taking some of the "suggestions" that psychedelic hallucinogens give them too seriously...I think that the old stereotype of the old burn out hippy spouting a bunch of New Age hippy bullshit and thinking it's profound truth has some basis in fact. A lot of fellow users of psychedelic hallucinogens have beliefs that I find ridiculous, honestly.

I never really got feelings of love from them, though. Mostly the only thing that's consistent with almost every experience I've had with them as a class of drug is a generalized desire to be a better person, especially to other people. Which I think is a good thing...plus I think drugs like psilocybin and LSD are fantastic atypical anti-depressants.

I agree with you. But it always leaves you with that feeling like, what if this is real and I just fucked up. Maybe just me.

 

[Synaps3]

What chemicals can *allow* you to feel is and are real. No less real than the love from, with or to another human being. Love is chemical. Reality is neorotransmitters.

You are 100% right, however, do you think that artificially inducing the feeling of love is healthy?

I experienced the purest, most beautiful love for the world last Saturday on 250ug of ALD-52

"ALD-52 - some random chemical structure I ingested made me feel the most beautiful love in the world. Better than anything that could be felt from another person."

That's fucked up. You see what I'm getting at!?

People that are not spiritual in nature, will find no spirituality or authenticity, with psychedelics.They will find them fake and artificial.Those that take these substances with reverence and a spiritual focus, will uncover all kinds of beauty and mystery from them.

I do find them spiritual, but they are 'quasi' spiritual. The experiences they provide are all forced. A true spiritual experience occurs naturally because of some occurrence in your life, not because you ingested a chemical.

You can embrace the reality you are seeing as the ultimate truth or you can just think it is fake tricks your mind plays on you.

I like to think they show us reality at its best, and that they are really healing things to incorporate in a live. But I keep doubting about it.

It's not so much that I believe it's doing 'tricks' in my mind, it's that what it's doing is agonizing the receptors that would naturally make you feel the most deep feeling in the world. Not just the happy orgasmy/whatever feeling other drugs give, but real love. Isn't that wrong? (Understand I'm getting deep here, so don't take this too seriously.)

Don't get me wrong. At this point you might think I'm anti psychedelics or anti drugs, but that's not the case. In a way, I'm just playing devils advocate.

 

[spacejunk]

No, i find psychedelics to be the opposite of fake.

The earnest sincerity of people drunk on booze - or the "i love you man" MDMA thing seem "fake" to me.
But 'authenticity" is a slippery concept. And a very complicated one in regards to neurochemistry.

Are the effects of oxytocin or dopamine "fake"?

 

[Cream Gravy?]

Yeah man, I think we're just breaking down into semantics at this point. Maybe your understanding of the words love and beauty are different from mine. I broke down into tears of utter bliss and joy at how beautiful everything was on many different acid trips, and to me they were the most authentic moments of my life. It's my true belief that God inspired Albert Hoffman himself to discover and investigate LSD. He had shelved the drug, and then on a 'hunch' he decided to test it out? That's some divine intervention if there ever was one.

 

[Pirre]

It makes you feel and see stuff that you can't feel or see in any other way. I enjoy life, and I enjoy psychedelics, mostly to experience music. During a trip I might feel 'enlightened' but I know where it's coming from. The only lasting things are relatively basic, caused by the different perspective or more openmindedness or whatever you get during a trip.
But all feelings just boil down to chemical reactions in your brain, induced by a drug or a person makes no difference to me. Feelings are feelings, why would one be 'less real'? I understand your point, but don't agree with it. I'm not exactly spiritual either, I'm leaning towards existential nihilism, and find it rather comforting.

 

[szuko000]

Perception is just your brain making sense of the wavelengths that convey information and impact the physical reality. So all that you perceive as real is just your brain translating a large volume of information. Its kind of like saying if you introduce a virus to a normal function computer the outcomes are fake... they both have very real outcomes and consequence thus making the experience real which is why they can have a lasting effect.

 

[Solipsis]

The time this reminds me of is when in the course of one day I had oral weed, GHB, a mild dose of 2C-B and snorted MDMA (I was very experimental and often abusing at the time) and the timing felt just right and gave me a feeling I can only call 'love at first sight' but I had no person as the object of my affection at the time.
Felt lovey-dovey and 'connected' many more times and honestly I am not bothered by the fakeness of say MDMA euphoria or psychedelic unity since there is no dissonance. It's not like I actually don't believe in compassion or loving feelings, the only thing that has bothered me is the traps of false beliefs that were just too esoteric and flimsy.
However psychedelics (and other drug experiences) have contributed to deep conversation and things I've gone through with people close to me. With a drug like 2C-T-7 facilitating one of the most pure and honest conversations I ever had, I am not necessarily disappointed that it is really hard to have such a deep experience spontaneously. It's a shame that some things are hard to have happen without something or someone initiating and facilitating it but I believe in allowing space for drugs to take care of it as long as there at least equally is space for natural things to happen.
Same with meditation or creativity and drugs helping with that.

I agree fully with szuko that the distinction between false and real is in some ways illusory itself, and like I am suggesting in this post the experience and outcome are IMO what are important as long as you don't start relying on artificial things to do what shouldn't completely lose authenticity. This, so that it stays possible to feel what your natural potential is and not to forget or lose sight of that too much.

 

[.:Holy::Toast:.]

With a drug like 2C-T-7 facilitating one of the most pure and honest conversations I ever had, I am not necessarily disappointed that it is really hard to have such a deep experience spontaneously. It's a shame that some things are hard to have happen without something or someone initiating and facilitating it but I believe in allowing space for drugs to take care of it as long as there at least equally is space for natural things to happen.

This is actually quite perfect. I don't dislike the feelings of love and affection LSD gives me, I feel those things all the time although they aren't as powerful as when on LSD.
The only "fake" thing I dislike about psychedelics is the feeling of social fluidity they give, and that really only affects me because of anxiety issues when sober.
I remember a night of Xanax and LSD led to the best and deepest conversations I've had with my best friend but I couldn't help but get REALLY frustrated when the drugs were wearing off and I could feel my anxiety and generalized and unfounded fear setting back in again, just like it never left.
However it has motivated me to do more sober to kill this anxiety and honestly it's helping a lot.
If you look to psychedelics for answers, you're bound to see them as fake. I view them instead as beautiful fun substances that merely have the potential to shift perspectives; expecting to much out of them is setting yourself up for disappointment imo

 

[Thomas Davie]

You are 100% right, however, do you think that artificially inducing the feeling of love is healthy?

No. The only circumstance where it *might* become unhealthy is if the continual achieving of that state made you unable to function in consensus reality. In short, no.

Tom

[edit: I meant to say that I don't think artificially inducing the state of love is unhealthy]

 

[justme6263]

I'm really quite new to psychedelics but I find when I am on them it's is the most beautiful and warm and loving feeling I could ever imagine, nothing artificial about it.