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Psychedelic drugs can unlock mysteries of brain - David Nutt

I like how people have to treat his opinions with respect. If anyone else had said this they would get laughed out the building and labelled a druggie.
 
He ranks alongside Shulgin, in my opinion. Two good people, wanting to allow freedom of ingesting substances, and wanting to help people in general. Both are regarded very highly.
 
I mean they both want the same thing. I know that Alex is an amazing chemist. Then again, so are the people coming up with these amazing RCs. ;)
 
Not sure about Nutts idea that taking psychedelics "mimics schizophrenia" - wasn't that idea demolished in the 50's? On a psychedelic you know you've taken a drug, when you have schizophrenia you think it's real. That's a pretty fundamental difference isn't it.

And I can't quite work out why he's changed to decriminalisation when he was such a fervent prohibitionist over GBL, he said something like "I have made a strong recomendation GBL is banned and I am very optimistic it will be within months. GBL is unquestionably as dangerous as GHB". He was an absolutely full-on, raging drug-warrior. If you'd breathed "How about we keep GBL legal mate?" he would have thundered abuse at you about the danger it posed to "the children".

Wonder when he had his road to Damascus moment? Or is he now just thinking he's burned his boats and legalisation is the only road that he can make any money and keep his name in the papers.
 
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Ismene said:
Not sure about Nutts idea that taking psychedelics "mimics schizophrenia" - wasn't that idea demolished in the 50's? On a psychedelic you know you've taken a drug, when you have schizophrenia you think it's real. That's a pretty fundamental difference isn't it.

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I think you're able to observe yourself tripping if its recreational. Psychosis, perhaps, would be more about being pulled into an altered state and loosing your identity in it or having it fragment or split
 
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Dissociative drugs can sometimes mimic schizophrenic symptoms quite faithfully, tis an interesting effect.
 
I was actually quite surprised to learn just how much research went into this in the 60s and 70s already, especially in Canada. They really allowed them to push the envelope with psychoactive drugs. One assylum for the criminally insane was allowed to keep their patients on lsd for 11 days straight while the psycologists did constant therapy. There is a lot to be said for 'recreational' hallucinogenics helping non-mentally ill people get over things like depression, PTSD, and addiction, but I don't think they are that good for people who have things like schizophrenia. They would definitely help with brain mapping, but i'm also pretty sure that David Nutt has already done quite a lot of research into that. I know i've seen him inject someone with psilosybin and put them in an MRI before.
 
Ismene said:
Or is he now just thinking he's burned his boats and legalisation is the only road that he can make any money and keep his name in the papers.
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This.

I'm gonna get slaughtered for saying something bad against the almighty one but to me he seems like he's never going to get anything done. The government have shown that they will pay no attention to him. He just pops up every now & gives an "Ecstacy is less dangerous than horse riding" style comment which gets his wee coupon in the paper.
 
parttime crackhead said:
This.

I'm gonna get slaughtered for saying something bad against the almighty one but to me he seems like he's never going to get anything done. The government have shown that they will pay no attention to him. He just pops up every now & gives an "Ecstacy is less dangerous than horse riding" style comment which gets his wee coupon in the paper.
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Yeah he has become rather addicted to the attention and adoration.
 
Totally. I don't ever really disagree with the guy but he's becoming a pure media whore. Some might say that that's a good thing because he's getting publicity to these issues etc but he's jumping about from one Daily Mail enraging statement to the next without ever actually following anything through or sticking with it to the point of something happening beyond the initial "Oooo, David Nutt says..." headline.

As soon as he's nailed that then he's on to the next one.
 
^Would it be better for him to just shut up and disappear into the sunset instead spreading knowledge for the cause?
 
he said something strange rhe other week in the guardian. he was on about how slcohol could be altered to replace the alcohol with a less harmful benzodiazapine. that made me very confused. it was about 3 weeks ago in the guardian . dunno the link coz it was in the real paper.

and what was that? a neuropsychpharma whT?
 
pinkpapaver said:
he said something strange rhe other week in the guardian. he was on about how slcohol could be altered to replace the alcohol with a less harmful benzodiazapine. that made me very confused. it was about 3 weeks ago in the guardian . dunno the link coz it was in the real paper.

and what was that? a neuropsychpharma whT?
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He's been touting that idea for ages. It's a benzo that replicates alcohol completely, doesn't harm you, has a really high LD50, and can instantly be reversed by an injection given by A&E. It also makes people friendlier instead of causing some of the problems we see in this country with alcohol.
 
Ismene said:
Not sure about Nutts idea that taking psychedelics "mimics schizophrenia" - wasn't that idea demolished in the 50's? On a psychedelic you know you've taken a drug, when you have schizophrenia you think it's real. That's a pretty fundamental difference isn't it.

And I can't quite work out why he's changed to decriminalisation when he was such a fervent prohibitionist over GBL, he said something like "I have made a strong recomendation GBL is banned and I am very optimistic it will be within months. GBL is unquestionably as dangerous as GHB". He was an absolutely full-on, raging drug-warrior. If you'd breathed "How about we keep GBL legal mate?" he would have thundered abuse at you about the danger it posed to "the children".

Wonder when he had his road to Damascus moment? Or is he now just thinking he's burned his boats and legalisation is the only road that he can make any money and keep his name in the papers.
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When in the middle of a trip I have frequently forgotten what I have taken and whether I have had actually taken anything at all. Same for ketamine.
 
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