I've heard somewhere that hemp-seed is low in lysine, for what somebody who is strength training might want... but it seems like it has a good amount to me, at a glance. There's a review pretty near to the top on amazon for nutiva hemp protein where he's saying it's not a complete protein based on a few things, and it sounds... sound. But personally, I feel better on a hemp-only diet than I do on any other diet anymore. It has all the essential amino acids, but is definitely lower on tryptophan.
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Protein in veg. diet?
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Fjones
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Dave - That could be the case. I was just wondering if the track was different. I will not be reading or posting in pet peeves, since this site is obviously still over-moderated, even more so than before. It was fun while it lasted, but if any of the entertaining rants are going to be unapproved, why bother?
Anyway, I seem to have offended the moderator here. My unapproved post did not have an ad hominum in in, but alas, the moderator feels that it did, so my post is gone. I will paraphrase the unapproved post:
Yes, facts exist, especially in mathematics, a field that almost certainly has more facts than any other discipline combined.
Now, to follow up on some of the other points of discussion (most of this is aimed at Simply Live, and at the OP to clarify any confusion or misconceptions):
The OP said he wants to "GAIN MUSCLE MASS." (emphasis mine). Gaining muscle mass falls under the category of weightlifting and bodybuilding. The advice Simply_live is giving is NOT based on generally accepted knowledge or standards of weightlifting and bodybuilding. I am going to stick my neck out here a bit with an assumption, but I do not believe Simply_Live knows very much about these subjects. Thus, he/she really is not qualified to give advice on the subject. She/he DOES seem to know something about diet and types of protein (at least, she claims to be a student of this subject), so I do not object to his/her giving advice on that topic (her/his bizarre remarks about "all foods having protein" notwithstanding).
However, and I will say this for anyone else who might be misinformed by this thread - It is NOT TRUE that 40 grams of protein in two hours "TESTS THE BODY'S LIMITS." This is preposterous, absurd, and ridiculous. That was a very bad misinterpretation of what Redleader said. Redleader said, and I quote: "Remember to balance out your meals over the day, as the body can only process 30-40g of protein every 2 hours or so."
Anyone who knows ANYTHING about nutrition and weightlifting should have understood what this meant. It meant, "The body cannot utilize for muscle-building purposes more than 40 grams of protein in a short period of time." It absolutely, unequivocally, undoubtedly did NOT mean that the body is at some kind of imminent risk of harm by consuming more than 40 grams of protein. 8 ounces of chicken breast contains 50 grams of protein, and a nutritious chicken breast dinner could easily contain 60 or 70 grams of protein, depending on what else is part of the meal. What Redleader meant, quite simply, is that if a bodybuilder wants 180 grams of protein a day to build muscle, the protein must be spread out, otherwise it does not "count" as getting 180 grams. In other words, two servings of 90 grams of protein is ineffective if one's goal is to consume 180 grams of protein.
Simply_Live, you missed the point of my remark about my calorie intake and activity level. Redleader and I are both examples of relatively lightweight individuals (155 pounds) who are looking to gain muscle mass and eat around 4000 calories a day to do so. We are NOT trying to be Jay Cutler, we are simply trying to gain muscle mass, as the OP said he wants to. I feel you are mistakenly thinking that he and I are obsessive gym nuts who are toward the extreme end of weightlifting and bodybuilding. We aren't. The point I am making is, I am not sure your estimate of 2100 calories makes a lot of sense. First of all, one needs extra calories just to provide the energy for the weightlifting itself. Then, the body needs the extra calories to gain the weight. If you were to poll 100 healthy males who lift weights trying to gain muscle mass, I would estimate that 98 of them would say they eat more than 2100 calories. More likely, the number would be 100. And most of them would say they eat a lot more than 2100. 2100 calories simply does not cut it for working out and trying to gain muscle mass. The advice you are giving is from a standpoint of a dietician or a diabetes doctor, not a weightlifter or bodybuilder. It matters not whether the OP is trying to be lean or be Jay cutler, he IS trying to gain muscle mass, and that takes hard work, dedication, and more than 2100 calories. Doctors, from my personal experience, do not seem overly keen on the notion of bodybuilding or muscle-building. They advise people to engage in light to moderate weightlifting with the goal being to maintain strength and promote a healthy lifestyle. Generally speaking, they are not likely to give advice conducive to actual muscle-building, at least, not to any significant degree. If anyone has any anecdotal evidence to the contrary, please share it, because my sample size is admittedly small.
I NEVER assumed the OP wants to be a bodybuilder. He does, however, want to GAIN MUSCLE MASS. This is something Redleader and I know something about. People who take a half-assed approach to muscle-building to not end up building much muscle. The OP wants to gain muscle mass, and w are giving him what is generally considered sound advice on how to do so. How much muscle mass do you think the OP wants to gain? You make it sound as though Redleader and I have assumed he wants to gain 40 pounds. Not so. Even if he wants to gain just ten pounds of muscle mass, that is a very difficult task! Do you have any idea how much stronger and cut-looking ten pounds of muscle makes someone? Ten pounds of pure muscle is huge, and does not come easily. If it were easy, everyone would be toned and muscular. The program Redleader and I have been alluding to is difficult and strenuous, but it is not unreasonable, and it IS attainable, as he and I have both personally demonstrated with our own workout regimens. To say that the suggested regimen is unattainable is to undermine the OP's regimen before he even begins it.
Anyway, I will take you at your word, Simply_live, that you have a bachelor's in math. Just understand that Redleader and I also have very strong credentials in math, so if you are going to tout yours, you really would be well-advised to b more careful with your math-based statements and your calculations.
Anyway, I seem to have offended the moderator here. My unapproved post did not have an ad hominum in in, but alas, the moderator feels that it did, so my post is gone. I will paraphrase the unapproved post:
Yes, facts exist, especially in mathematics, a field that almost certainly has more facts than any other discipline combined.
Now, to follow up on some of the other points of discussion (most of this is aimed at Simply Live, and at the OP to clarify any confusion or misconceptions):
The OP said he wants to "GAIN MUSCLE MASS." (emphasis mine). Gaining muscle mass falls under the category of weightlifting and bodybuilding. The advice Simply_live is giving is NOT based on generally accepted knowledge or standards of weightlifting and bodybuilding. I am going to stick my neck out here a bit with an assumption, but I do not believe Simply_Live knows very much about these subjects. Thus, he/she really is not qualified to give advice on the subject. She/he DOES seem to know something about diet and types of protein (at least, she claims to be a student of this subject), so I do not object to his/her giving advice on that topic (her/his bizarre remarks about "all foods having protein" notwithstanding).
However, and I will say this for anyone else who might be misinformed by this thread - It is NOT TRUE that 40 grams of protein in two hours "TESTS THE BODY'S LIMITS." This is preposterous, absurd, and ridiculous. That was a very bad misinterpretation of what Redleader said. Redleader said, and I quote: "Remember to balance out your meals over the day, as the body can only process 30-40g of protein every 2 hours or so."
Anyone who knows ANYTHING about nutrition and weightlifting should have understood what this meant. It meant, "The body cannot utilize for muscle-building purposes more than 40 grams of protein in a short period of time." It absolutely, unequivocally, undoubtedly did NOT mean that the body is at some kind of imminent risk of harm by consuming more than 40 grams of protein. 8 ounces of chicken breast contains 50 grams of protein, and a nutritious chicken breast dinner could easily contain 60 or 70 grams of protein, depending on what else is part of the meal. What Redleader meant, quite simply, is that if a bodybuilder wants 180 grams of protein a day to build muscle, the protein must be spread out, otherwise it does not "count" as getting 180 grams. In other words, two servings of 90 grams of protein is ineffective if one's goal is to consume 180 grams of protein.
Simply_Live, you missed the point of my remark about my calorie intake and activity level. Redleader and I are both examples of relatively lightweight individuals (155 pounds) who are looking to gain muscle mass and eat around 4000 calories a day to do so. We are NOT trying to be Jay Cutler, we are simply trying to gain muscle mass, as the OP said he wants to. I feel you are mistakenly thinking that he and I are obsessive gym nuts who are toward the extreme end of weightlifting and bodybuilding. We aren't. The point I am making is, I am not sure your estimate of 2100 calories makes a lot of sense. First of all, one needs extra calories just to provide the energy for the weightlifting itself. Then, the body needs the extra calories to gain the weight. If you were to poll 100 healthy males who lift weights trying to gain muscle mass, I would estimate that 98 of them would say they eat more than 2100 calories. More likely, the number would be 100. And most of them would say they eat a lot more than 2100. 2100 calories simply does not cut it for working out and trying to gain muscle mass. The advice you are giving is from a standpoint of a dietician or a diabetes doctor, not a weightlifter or bodybuilder. It matters not whether the OP is trying to be lean or be Jay cutler, he IS trying to gain muscle mass, and that takes hard work, dedication, and more than 2100 calories. Doctors, from my personal experience, do not seem overly keen on the notion of bodybuilding or muscle-building. They advise people to engage in light to moderate weightlifting with the goal being to maintain strength and promote a healthy lifestyle. Generally speaking, they are not likely to give advice conducive to actual muscle-building, at least, not to any significant degree. If anyone has any anecdotal evidence to the contrary, please share it, because my sample size is admittedly small.
I NEVER assumed the OP wants to be a bodybuilder. He does, however, want to GAIN MUSCLE MASS. This is something Redleader and I know something about. People who take a half-assed approach to muscle-building to not end up building much muscle. The OP wants to gain muscle mass, and w are giving him what is generally considered sound advice on how to do so. How much muscle mass do you think the OP wants to gain? You make it sound as though Redleader and I have assumed he wants to gain 40 pounds. Not so. Even if he wants to gain just ten pounds of muscle mass, that is a very difficult task! Do you have any idea how much stronger and cut-looking ten pounds of muscle makes someone? Ten pounds of pure muscle is huge, and does not come easily. If it were easy, everyone would be toned and muscular. The program Redleader and I have been alluding to is difficult and strenuous, but it is not unreasonable, and it IS attainable, as he and I have both personally demonstrated with our own workout regimens. To say that the suggested regimen is unattainable is to undermine the OP's regimen before he even begins it.
Anyway, I will take you at your word, Simply_live, that you have a bachelor's in math. Just understand that Redleader and I also have very strong credentials in math, so if you are going to tout yours, you really would be well-advised to b more careful with your math-based statements and your calculations.
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atara
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As a professional physicist, dieting is not hard enough to require a degree in any of the natural sciences, be it math or otherwise. But more to the point...
For the most part, pretty much any complete, digestible protein will work: eggs, dairy, hemp, soy, whatever. Gluten and casein are not well-processed by certain subsets of the population but are well-tolerated in reasonable amounts by most people.
Also, the amount of green leafy vegetables you'd have to eat to get a significant portion of your daily protein intake is... large. Like, three big bags of spinach per day large.
I don't know how much protein you should eat, but consider this: if protein toxicity were a serious risk for people who don't do completely ridiculous things like living on cottage cheese, it would actually happen more. Pay attention to what your body is telling you as you eat things and you should be fine. So just eat... lots. "Lots" is the best recommendation I have. Exercise, too.
For the most part, pretty much any complete, digestible protein will work: eggs, dairy, hemp, soy, whatever. Gluten and casein are not well-processed by certain subsets of the population but are well-tolerated in reasonable amounts by most people.
Also, the amount of green leafy vegetables you'd have to eat to get a significant portion of your daily protein intake is... large. Like, three big bags of spinach per day large.
I don't know how much protein you should eat, but consider this: if protein toxicity were a serious risk for people who don't do completely ridiculous things like living on cottage cheese, it would actually happen more. Pay attention to what your body is telling you as you eat things and you should be fine. So just eat... lots. "Lots" is the best recommendation I have. Exercise, too.
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my worst enemy
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This thread has gotten its own life it seem. I can only state that Im not aiming for a huge body builder type size. Im 185cm and weigh 70kg but aim for 80. Id rather stay fast 
But i appreciate all your guys info (and way beyond). Im gonna stock some oil and water now and start Gaining! kidding
i went and bought some whey powder since im too poor and lazy to keep a balanced diet.
cheers!
But i appreciate all your guys info (and way beyond). Im gonna stock some oil and water now and start Gaining! kidding
i went and bought some whey powder since im too poor and lazy to keep a balanced diet.cheers!
modern buddha
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No one is offended. You only believe people are offended. Also, I did not unapprove your post. I edited it. Goes to show that I'm not the only one who makes mistakes.
Thread closed. OP's got everything he needs now.
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