Opioids Proper dosage...

[hatrix]

My tolerance to opioids is pretty much nonexistent. I get plenty high off of 15-20mg hydrocodone. I've probably only ever had it around 10 times or less. I've had oxycodone once, it was a 30mg oxycontin pill I believe. One of the newer ones that is almost rubber like. I got it cut into fourths (after a lot of difficulty) and swallowed the fourths. Lets just say I was pretty damn high from it. Other than that I don't have that much opiate experience. Unfortunately I can't source hydrocodone or oxycodone anymore.

With such a low tolerance I'm having trouble finding a proper dosage of some of the stronger opiates. Seems 95% of people around here take crazy doses compared to me since their tolerance is so high.

I have multiple options for which opiate I can choose, I was thinking either heroin or methadone. Now this isn't a "recommend me which drug is better" thread. More of a which will be safer to dose for someone with no tolerance, and at what dosage. From what I gathered reading around, 10mg of methadone would have me plenty high and would be safe. With my heroin dose though I really can't seem to figure it out. I know it varies very highly, but I tried calculating it with the method in the beginners thread and got something like 5mg. I'm thinking yea right.... I would most likely only get one stamp. Reviews say quality is good and heavy users would get high (IV) off of 3 stamps. So maybe less than half for someone like me ?

I have read both the methadone and heroin megathreads and some others. I just want some input from individuals.

 

[Venrak]

Heroin would be safer due to onset time and half life.

Smoking would allow you to best titrate your dose. Start off with 15-20mg or so and see where that gets you.

 

[Fire&Water]

Best to steer clear of methadone altogether...some pain management Dr's prescribe it for pain but I think of it as a last resort.

 

[Ksa]

Heroin would be safer due to onset time and half life.

Smoking would allow you to best titrate your dose. Start off with 15-20mg or so and see where that gets you.

"heroin" and "safe" can't be used in the same sentence because not pharmaceutically pure.

 

[rhun]

Methadone is a medication and should be used as such. So unless a doctor will prescribe it to you for a legitimate reason (i.e. pain management or opiate addiction) you have no business using it. It's a very potent, synthetic opioid that lasts 24 hours so it's easy for inexperienced users to dose too much (and even OD) or get unpleasant side effects. Ultimately it's not even worth it as you don't get very much euphoria and I don't think it has much recreational value. It's just a life saving medication for those who genuinely need it. My dad and I are both on it for opiate addiction and tapering slowly off it.

That being said, I really can't recommend heroin either (like wtf.. vicodin to heroin?) No opiate naive person should be trying heroin which is why you're having a hard time finding a recommended dosage. Unlike methadone, heroin has a much shorter duration in your body. But it produces intense cravings and is a highly addictive drug as a result. It's not a substance you should be messing with if you value your life (and I don't just mean dying)... The only valid reason to switch to it is if you're extremely addicted to other opiates and can't afford them anymore. But in that case it's time to quit anyway. Heroin ruined my life and is THE reason I ended up IVing dope, losing all control of my habit, and ending up on methadone. And while I was always very controlled in my use before, control falls by the wayside when you wake up on day and realize you're physically addicted.

You said you can't get access to hydrocodone or oxycodone anymore, but are their any alternatives? I can't warn you away from opiates enough, but if you're really determined here are some suggestions: You can order kratom legally online. You can also order poppy pods in the same fashion. Codeine is weaker than hydrocodone, so you will have to take more of it but it's a good one if you don't have an opiate tolerance. Morphine is an option if you can get it, and while it's a strong opiate due to the low BA orally it's relatively safe and finding a good dose will be easy. Prescription opiates aren't going to be cut with who knows what, so you'll know what you're putting in your body. So that's a plus over heroin plus they're not quiiiite as addictive as heroin though I can't stress enough to you that you really do not want to end up physically dependent on any kind of opiates. It's horrendous and is without a doubt the worst thing that has ever happened to me, as much as I love the way opiates make me feel. And eventually opiates don't even work due to tolerance and you're just taking them to feel normal. Even when I taper I'm going to feel like crap for months and possibly years (eek) until my receptors and all that go back to normal.

 

[Ksa]

^ Heroin is a molecule. Can a molecule ruin a life? How can it do that? It's the guy who fetches to his mouth and fills the arm that ruins his life, right sir? Leave my molecules alone! But you're right since it's not pure it's not really a molecule, it can also contain mercury, red phosphorus, mexican poop and so on ^.^

 

[Venrak]

KSA

"heroin" and "safe" can't be used in the same sentence because not pharmaceutically pure.

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...yes, it can.

By assuming it as pure, and dosing accordingly.

 

[rhun]

^ that may save you from OD, but that's only one of many of the unsafe things when it comes to heroin.

^ Heroin is a molecule. Can a molecule ruin a life? How can it do that? It's the guy who fetches to his mouth and fills the arm that ruins his life, right sir? Leave my molecules alone! But you're right since it's not pure it's not really a molecule, it can also contain mercury, red phosphorus, mexican poop and so on ^.^

Well yes, obviously I ruined my own life by doing heroin in the first place. Not trying to rid myself of responsibility whatsoever. And yes, I agree that you have to also realize it's not JUST heroin you're taking. Which is why I recommend pharmaceutical opioids any day. But that only makes it safer for your body, you're still risking addiction and not to mention the havoc it wreaks with your receptors and endorphins..

 

[Venrak]

I assumed we were talking about acute dangers of dosing, but this whole ot is moot since I said safer.

 

[pasha]

Well, I would assume that your looking for something as close as possible to oxycodone, which I'd say is the heroin.

The fact that heroin isn't standardized like opioid tablets such as oxycodone and methadone would make it difficult for anyone to recommend a safe starting dose, better yet, start with tiny bumps and work your way up to a dose where you feel comfortable.

If you have your heart set on methadone, than prepare not to consume any CNS depressants before and a long time after injesting it due to its long half-life.

 

[Ksa]

KSA

...yes, it can.

By assuming it as pure, and dosing accordingly.

Ok if the guy sends you heroin thats 50% 3-methylfentanyl for some reason, you consider it 100% Heroin, "to be safe" dose it and die.

LOL

Brother, you're making the wrong assumption that whatever contaminant is in there is less potent than Heroin. TERRIBLE assumption. Deadly one. They often use stronger opioids to complement and cut...you should know this man it's basic stuff.

 

[Venrak]

Hrm, touché.

You are right.

 

[rhun]

Well, I would assume that your looking for something as close as possible to oxycodone, which I'd say is the heroin.

The fact that heroin isn't standardized like opioid tablets such as oxycodone and methadone would make it difficult for anyone to recommend a safe starting dose, better yet, start with tiny bumps and work your way up to a dose where you feel comfortable.

If you have your heart set on methadone, than prepare not to consume any CNS depressants before and a long time after injecting it due ti its long half-life.

They've only done oxycodone once, I would say it's better to recommend something closer to hydrocodone. And if those or not available any longer, I would say looking for codeine or morphine would be a much closer match.

100% agree with not mixing any other CNS depressants with methadone or any opiate for that matter. But wait, are you suggesting they IV?

 

[bunge]

OP rhun is bang on the nail with her advice. Your way to opiate naive to make a jump to heroin. Heroin is mainly a drug of desperate circumstances, when its the only availiable/affordable opiate to kill the cravings. Not a substance for light entertainment or experimentation. Everything above applies for methadone aswell. Truth is you prob wouldnt enjoy either one of them as your tolerance is so low you will be a staying(and paying) guest of puke city.lol if you want to experiment with opiates then try codeine or if you want to go a bit stronger then try dihydrocodeine. Dhc has a bit more of a classic opiate feel, a nice sedating buzz and floaty feeling and very little side effects worth worrying about. If you get the dose a little on the high side with the weaker opiates, you will just feel oversedated and a bit ill. Get it wrong with the big boys and your on your way to a pine box.

 

[rhun]

^ Thank you. Unfortunately my advice comes from personal experience.. and I wouldn't wish what I've gone through on my worst experience.

Definitely agree with the puking part (nice anology btw, I lol'd!), heroin isn't fun for anyone without a strong tolerance, you'll spend most of the high hugging a toilet if you're opiate naive.

 

[bunge]

^
Unfortunately I also know from experience.:-( I remember a very disconcerting experience with methadone when I was still 'wet behind the ears' opiate-wise. Thought I was a big man because id tried morphine and decided to try methadone. Lucky that I only had 5ml, think I enjoyed about 10mins at the beginning, after that it was just puking and praying.lol
Thanks, glad you liked the analogy, all my own material...promise.lol ;-) and your welcome, gotta give credit where its due!

 

[hatrix]

I hear all the warnings of nausea but I've personally never had any at all. I read people get it from high doses of hydrocodone too and I've never even had it in the slightest. That dose of oxycodone I had that got me very high had zero nausea. This is with any drug I've ever tried. I just don't experience any nausea for some reason. I mean I haven't tried heroin so I'm just speculating based on prior experience, I could be wrong.

I mean I have a scale that can accurately weigh out my dosage of heroin. That wouldn't be a problem. I was really considering plugging it but with such a low dosage and OD a worry I probably would want to smoke it and work my way up after reading the beginners guidelines, or possibly insufflation.

I don't have to many options. It really either seems to be heroin, which I can get as either black tar or powder, or methadone. While I can source some oxycodone and such, it's just way to expensive and not worth the price unless I was buying a ton which I'm not in a situation to do. I realize all the dangers with heroin and that's why I'm asking these questions and doing a lot of reading.

I mean if I slowly worked up a dosage with incredibly small amounts, I should be able to build a slight tolerance ? This isn't really going to be a very often because of my source. I just enjoy an occasional opiate high.

 

[bunge]

If you just enjoy the occasional opiate high then stick with the hydros and oxy and if you cant get them all the time then great! that means you wont develop a habit. even though you havent experienced nausea or vomiting on oxy or hydro that doesnt mean you wont on H or methadone. Infact in the UK oxycodone is prescribed when morphine or diamorphine(heroin) isnot tolerated well by the patient due to side effects like nausea. If you reallt must try one if them then go with the heroin because its got a shorter half-life and while not safe is safer in the respect then methadone. From what ive read on BL in the past powder seems to be better then tar and insufflation seems more recreational then smoking. Tiny amounts would be the way but really its a poor idea anyway you go about it.

 

[hatrix]

I appreciate the advice. I'll consider my options and what's safest.

 

[hatrix]

I have to ask.. Explain a little more why 5mg of methadone wouldn't be a safe option ? I'm aware of how long it lasts and such... Without redosing though I would think that dosage would be safe for someone with little to no tolerance.